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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby blues2win » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 am

Isnt Harwood Bellis a loan deal?
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Mase » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:55 am

blues2win wrote:Isnt Harwood Bellis a loan deal?


Yep. Season long loan.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby salford city » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:56 am

blues2win wrote:Isnt Harwood Bellis a loan deal?


He was out on loan in Belgium so I'd be surprised if he wasn't
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby blues2win » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 am

I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Mase » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:10 am

blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


FFS :lol: What the fuck is going on?! Lavia is 18, not 19 until next year. Why is he being sold?!’
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Dubciteh » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:10 am

blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


10m is great money!

I assume with egan riley we will get the buyback clause as it can be part of the reason we loan harwood bellis.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Mase » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:20 am

Dubciteh wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


10m is great money!

I assume with egan riley we will get the buyback clause as it can be part of the reason we loan harwood bellis.


Egan Riley is out of contract mate. All Burnley have to do is agree compensation with us.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby branny » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:34 pm

Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


FFS :lol: What the fuck is going on?! Lavia is 18, not 19 until next year. Why is he being sold?!’


Too good for Eds, not likely to be first team. Send him to Southampton to develop at top flight level.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby sheblue » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:46 pm

branny wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


FFS :lol: What the fuck is going on?! Lavia is 18, not 19 until next year. Why is he being sold?!’


Too good for Eds, not likely to be first team. Send him to Southampton to develop at top flight level.



Why not just a loan then?
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby nottsblue » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:47 pm

branny wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


FFS :lol: What the fuck is going on?! Lavia is 18, not 19 until next year. Why is he being sold?!’


Too good for Eds, not likely to be first team. Send him to Southampton to develop at top flight level.

Plus £10-12M is decent change
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby branny » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:54 pm

sheblue wrote:
branny wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


FFS :lol: What the fuck is going on?! Lavia is 18, not 19 until next year. Why is he being sold?!’


Too good for Eds, not likely to be first team. Send him to Southampton to develop at top flight level.



Why not just a loan then?


£10m in the coffers and not our problem if he's not good enough with a buy back just in case. Southampton do the hard work. Either way we get the benefit.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Mase » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:02 pm

branny wrote:
sheblue wrote:
branny wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


FFS :lol: What the fuck is going on?! Lavia is 18, not 19 until next year. Why is he being sold?!’


Too good for Eds, not likely to be first team. Send him to Southampton to develop at top flight level.



Why not just a loan then?


£10m in the coffers and not our problem if he's not good enough with a buy back just in case. Southampton do the hard work. Either way we get the benefit.


That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Dubciteh » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:16 pm

Mase wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:
blues2win wrote:I see Sam Lee reports that Southampton are closing in on signing Romeo Lavia with a buy back clause. Signing Kalvin Phillips made a move away pretty inevitable. What of Kayky?


10m is great money!

I assume with egan riley we will get the buyback clause as it can be part of the reason we loan harwood bellis.


Egan Riley is out of contract mate. All Burnley have to do is agree compensation with us.


Yeah i get that but I wouldn’t be loaning them harwood bellis unless they play ball on Egan Riley if that makes sense?
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby branny » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:32 pm

Mase wrote:

That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.



As an elite level team? Of course we will. Some players know they are CFG signings with little hope of making the first team. Hasn't stopped them signing. The % that go on to make it at the club is obviously going to be very minimal but having City on your cv will make clubs take notice as is currently the case with the youngsters that are heading out of the door. There's plenty of decent players around who haven't made it at City but have gone on to have decent careers.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby nottsblue » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:57 pm

branny wrote:
Mase wrote:

That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.



As an elite level team? Of course we will. Some players know they are CFG signings with little hope of making the first team. Hasn't stopped them signing. The % that go on to make it at the club is obviously going to be very minimal but having City on your cv will make clubs take notice as is currently the case with the youngsters that are heading out of the door. There's plenty of decent players around who haven't made it at City but have gone on to have decent careers.

Exactly

You have the best education off the field, which parents will love

And then train amongst some of the best players in the country in the best facilities. That alone will be a major draw for most aspiring players. And as Branny says if they don’t make it at City the drop down is still to a decent club. Look at who we have sold players to over the last few years. Dortmund, Southampton, Schalke, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Leeds, Sporting Lisbon, Lyon, Madrid, Barcelona to name a few top flight teams. Then there are loads of others who go to tier 2 teams as well.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Mase » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:02 pm

nottsblue wrote:
branny wrote:
Mase wrote:

That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.



As an elite level team? Of course we will. Some players know they are CFG signings with little hope of making the first team. Hasn't stopped them signing. The % that go on to make it at the club is obviously going to be very minimal but having City on your cv will make clubs take notice as is currently the case with the youngsters that are heading out of the door. There's plenty of decent players around who haven't made it at City but have gone on to have decent careers.

Exactly

You have the best education off the field, which parents will love

And then train amongst some of the best players in the country in the best facilities. That alone will be a major draw for most aspiring players. And as Branny says if they don’t make it at City the drop down is still to a decent club. Look at who we have sold players to over the last few years. Dortmund, Southampton, Schalke, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Leeds, Sporting Lisbon, Lyon, Madrid, Barcelona to name a few top flight teams. Then there are loads of others who go to tier 2 teams as well.


Sorry worded it wrong, that’s one way to make sure we don’t keep hold of decent talent in the future.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby branny » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:27 pm

Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
branny wrote:
Mase wrote:

That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.



As an elite level team? Of course we will. Some players know they are CFG signings with little hope of making the first team. Hasn't stopped them signing. The % that go on to make it at the club is obviously going to be very minimal but having City on your cv will make clubs take notice as is currently the case with the youngsters that are heading out of the door. There's plenty of decent players around who haven't made it at City but have gone on to have decent careers.

Exactly

You have the best education off the field, which parents will love

And then train amongst some of the best players in the country in the best facilities. That alone will be a major draw for most aspiring players. And as Branny says if they don’t make it at City the drop down is still to a decent club. Look at who we have sold players to over the last few years. Dortmund, Southampton, Schalke, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Leeds, Sporting Lisbon, Lyon, Madrid, Barcelona to name a few top flight teams. Then there are loads of others who go to tier 2 teams as well.


Sorry worded it wrong, that’s one way to make sure we don’t keep hold of decent talent in the future.



Foden has shown there is a pathway to the first team IF you're good enough but as I said, they'll be few and far between. Most will get the grounding and be moved on at a profit providing funds to buy players already at the level we want.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby nottsblue » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:33 pm

Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
branny wrote:
Mase wrote:

That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.



As an elite level team? Of course we will. Some players know they are CFG signings with little hope of making the first team. Hasn't stopped them signing. The % that go on to make it at the club is obviously going to be very minimal but having City on your cv will make clubs take notice as is currently the case with the youngsters that are heading out of the door. There's plenty of decent players around who haven't made it at City but have gone on to have decent careers.

Exactly

You have the best education off the field, which parents will love

And then train amongst some of the best players in the country in the best facilities. That alone will be a major draw for most aspiring players. And as Branny says if they don’t make it at City the drop down is still to a decent club. Look at who we have sold players to over the last few years. Dortmund, Southampton, Schalke, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Leeds, Sporting Lisbon, Lyon, Madrid, Barcelona to name a few top flight teams. Then there are loads of others who go to tier 2 teams as well.


Sorry worded it wrong, that’s one way to make sure we don’t keep hold of decent talent in the future.

We have all the facilities to give young players the chance to grow as professionals and to a certain degree it’s up to them to show they are good enough.

I know opinion is somewhat slightly divided on this subject. Some of us would like to see some of these young lads given more minutes, especially in games where we are winning comfortably and I myself am very much in this camp. But equally as a club these days we are the best domestically and we want to win the ultimate prize in European football and as such we can’t afford to play too many untried players as the margins between winning and losing are so small. It’s a catch-22 situation

So only the very best will make it to the first team which thus means the vast majority won’t make it with us. And we can’t keep players indefinitely on the hope they might come good next year or the year after. There will be next crop of players in the year behind who are chomping at the bit as well.

Lavia as an example is a DM. He has Rodri in the first team in his position. Last year Rodri was pivotal to our success and is one of the best in his position in Europe. And we have just bought an established England international in Phillips as cover. So for someone like Lavia to progress his career he needs to be playing and he isn’t going to get that chance at City so it makes sense for both him and the club to sell him so he gets minutes elsewhere and we get funds in the coffers. Win/win

Same for the goalie Bazuna. And no doubt most of the others that move on. Of course there are always going to be players who excel at their new clubs and then we question why we sold them. Sancho at Dortmund is a prime example. But had he stayed would his career have followed the same trajectory? Probably not as he had Sterling and Sane in front of him. But as mentioned earlier, hindsight is everyone’s best friend. We make decisions based on probability at a moment in time
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby Mase » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:38 pm

branny wrote:
Mase wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
branny wrote:
Mase wrote:

That’s one way to make sure we don’t attract decent kids to the academy in the future.



As an elite level team? Of course we will. Some players know they are CFG signings with little hope of making the first team. Hasn't stopped them signing. The % that go on to make it at the club is obviously going to be very minimal but having City on your cv will make clubs take notice as is currently the case with the youngsters that are heading out of the door. There's plenty of decent players around who haven't made it at City but have gone on to have decent careers.

Exactly

You have the best education off the field, which parents will love

And then train amongst some of the best players in the country in the best facilities. That alone will be a major draw for most aspiring players. And as Branny says if they don’t make it at City the drop down is still to a decent club. Look at who we have sold players to over the last few years. Dortmund, Southampton, Schalke, Leverkusen, Leipzig, Leeds, Sporting Lisbon, Lyon, Madrid, Barcelona to name a few top flight teams. Then there are loads of others who go to tier 2 teams as well.


Sorry worded it wrong, that’s one way to make sure we don’t keep hold of decent talent in the future.



Foden has shown there is a pathway to the first team IF you're good enough but as I said, they'll be few and far between. Most will get the grounding and be moved on at a profit providing funds to buy players already at the level we want.


Foden can’t be used as an example - he’s literally a City fan. If the club came to you and said “quit your job for a year and you can be part of the squad. You’ll never play but what an experience” I’m guessing 90% of us would say yes, because we support City.

I guess we’ll see what will happen.
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Re: Transfer rumours

Postby branny » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:25 pm

Mase wrote:
Foden can’t be used as an example - he’s literally a City fan. If the club came to you and said “quit your job for a year and you can be part of the squad. You’ll never play but what an experience” I’m guessing 90% of us would say yes, because we support City.

I guess we’ll see what will happen.


Khaldoon said that 85% of the talent entering the academy is local so highly likely that a fair few will support City. Foden has been at the club since he was 4 so more than enough opportunity to show him the door if he wasn’t good enough. I think his talent overrides who he supports on this occasion.
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