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Postby Nigels Tackle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:58 pm

only one option for me and that's hugo lloris
if the spafia have anything about them they will look to do a deal with spurs that involves hart (+ cash and the standard wage subsidy).
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:01 pm

Nigels Tackle wrote:only one option for me and that's hugo lloris
if the spafia have anything about them they will look to do a deal with spurs that involves hart (+ cash and the standard wage subsidy).


No paying of wages and I'd be ok with that swap to be honest.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:03 pm

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:only one option for me and that's hugo lloris
if the spafia have anything about them they will look to do a deal with spurs that involves hart (+ cash and the standard wage subsidy).


No paying of wages and I'd be ok with that swap to be honest.


How much cash are we talking? Not that Spurs would consider this anyway.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby london blue 2 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:03 pm

Lloris only just penned a new deal.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby freshie » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:36 pm

Rose, Trippier and Alderweireld as well would be great
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby zabbadabbado » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:48 pm

I understand why Hart had to go eventually. I think most of us do. Long term he would not have fitted in to Guardiola total football philosophy, I think we all accept that.

I just don’t think he needed to go this season. We have 6,or 7 players before him to replace, that are not going to make the grade. I include our entire defence, except Stones. I think getting rid of Hart at the embryonic Stage of our development under Guardiola was short sighted and extremely stupid, it unsettled our already dodgy defence. We ended up with a revolution instead of evolution. Bravo signing might well cost us our Top 4 finish this season. I think had we persisted with Hart until we got the right defensive players in place and then implemented Guardiola philosophy, it would have been more beneficial for us. Just my opinion.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Nigels Tackle » Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:51 pm

zabbadabbado wrote:I understand why Hart had to go eventually. I think most of us do. Long term he would not have fitted in to Guardiola total football philosophy, I think we all accept that.

I just don’t think he needed to go this season. We have 6,or 7 players before him to replace, that are not going to make the grade. I include our entire defence, except Stones. I think getting rid of Hart at the embryonic Stage of our development under Guardiola was short sighted and extremely stupid, it unsettled our already dodgy defence. We ended up with a revolution instead of evolution. Bravo signing might well cost us our Top 4 finish this season. I think had we persisted with Hart until we got the right defensive players in place and then implemented Guardiola philosophy, it would have been more beneficial for us. Just my opinion.


you're 100% right
with hart in goal we'd be top of the league right now. seriously.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby nottsblue » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:11 pm

Can Caballero be trusted?
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby gmercer1 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:18 pm

nottsblue wrote:Can Caballero be trusted?

Surely he can't be any worse!
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:27 pm

gmercer1 wrote:
nottsblue wrote:Can Caballero be trusted?

Surely he can't be any worse!

He'd be my preference, too. Better at stopping shots and his distribution is decent. Plus he's not averse to shouting at his defenders.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby freshie » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:52 pm

gmercer1 wrote:
nottsblue wrote:Can Caballero be trusted?

Surely he can't be any worse!


Exactly
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Justified logic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:22 am

zabbadabbado wrote:I understand why Hart had to go eventually. I think most of us do. Long term he would not have fitted in to Guardiola total football philosophy, I think we all accept that.

I just don’t think he needed to go this season. We have 6,or 7 players before him to replace, that are not going to make the grade. I include our entire defence, except Stones. I think getting rid of Hart at the embryonic Stage of our development under Guardiola was short sighted and extremely stupid, it unsettled our already dodgy defence. We ended up with a revolution instead of evolution. Bravo signing might well cost us our Top 4 finish this season. I think had we persisted with Hart until we got the right defensive players in place and then implemented Guardiola philosophy, it would have been more beneficial for us. Just my opinion.

This is my reading of the situation as well. And our midfield and attack are affected as well by that open door at the back. I don't think we'll regain the fluency we had earlier in the season until Bravo is replaced. It's not as if we're passing it around at the back with confidence even. It is pass, pass, pass and hoof. Bravo offers nothing more than Hart did - and a lot less in the clean sheet department. A good manager would use his players' existing skill sets whilst training them to develop the new skills he wants and having a goalie that the team trusted would greatly enable that.

But Guardiola won't replace Bravo.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby PeterParker » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:45 am

nottsblue wrote:Can Caballero be trusted?


I feel safe with Willy. Always did.

It feels like we are Whitney and he is Kevin Costner when we need him.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:55 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:only one option for me and that's hugo lloris
if the spafia have anything about them they will look to do a deal with spurs that involves hart (+ cash and the standard wage subsidy).


No paying of wages and I'd be ok with that swap to be honest.


How much cash are we talking? Not that Spurs would consider this anyway.


Show us another stat telling us Bravo is one of the best goalies in the world, and we can then all ignore what we all see, game after game, as being a figment of our imagination.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby zuricity » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:57 am

Justified logic wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:I understand why Hart had to go eventually. I think most of us do. Long term he would not have fitted in to Guardiola total football philosophy, I think we all accept that.

I just don’t think he needed to go this season. We have 6,or 7 players before him to replace, that are not going to make the grade. I include our entire defence, except Stones. I think getting rid of Hart at the embryonic Stage of our development under Guardiola was short sighted and extremely stupid, it unsettled our already dodgy defence. We ended up with a revolution instead of evolution. Bravo signing might well cost us our Top 4 finish this season. I think had we persisted with Hart until we got the right defensive players in place and then implemented Guardiola philosophy, it would have been more beneficial for us. Just my opinion.

This is my reading of the situation as well. And our midfield and attack are affected as well by that open door at the back. I don't think we'll regain the fluency we had earlier in the season until Bravo is replaced. It's not as if we're passing it around at the back with confidence even. It is pass, pass, pass and hoof. Bravo offers nothing more than Hart did - and a lot less in the clean sheet department. A good manager would use his players' existing skill sets whilst training them to develop the new skills he wants and having a goalie that the team trusted would greatly enable that.

But Guardiola won't replace Bravo.



Just to say , playing it out from the back is not a Pep invention and we were already doing this under Pellegrini and Mancini. Perhaps not making it a central method of possession. Anyway, Bravo wellies the ball a lot and recently more to the opposition than to us.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Original Dub » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:01 pm

I'm not a fan of bravo so far but I don't see how we'd be top of the league if joe was here.

He might have saved one or two shots that bravo didn't but I don't think keeper howlers has been our biggest problem.

I think it's a combination of the chopping and changing of the back line and the need for upgrades on the full back positions.

Not taking chances is a pretty big problem too of course.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:04 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:only one option for me and that's hugo lloris
if the spafia have anything about them they will look to do a deal with spurs that involves hart (+ cash and the standard wage subsidy).


No paying of wages and I'd be ok with that swap to be honest.


How much cash are we talking? Not that Spurs would consider this anyway.


Show us another stat telling us Bravo is one of the best goalies in the world, and we can then all ignore what we all see, game after game, as being a figment of our imagination.


You still haven't given me an example of a goal he was solely responsible for us conceding.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby sheblue » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:09 pm

Always felt hart was shifted out for non football reasons.
Hugo would be nice but we have more chance of getting neuer, and thats no chance.
We will have to persist with claudio the clown for now i think.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:12 pm

Nigels Tackle wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:I understand why Hart had to go eventually. I think most of us do. Long term he would not have fitted in to Guardiola total football philosophy, I think we all accept that.

I just don’t think he needed to go this season. We have 6,or 7 players before him to replace, that are not going to make the grade. I include our entire defence, except Stones. I think getting rid of Hart at the embryonic Stage of our development under Guardiola was short sighted and extremely stupid, it unsettled our already dodgy defence. We ended up with a revolution instead of evolution. Bravo signing might well cost us our Top 4 finish this season. I think had we persisted with Hart until we got the right defensive players in place and then implemented Guardiola philosophy, it would have been more beneficial for us. Just my opinion.


you're 100% right
with hart in goal we'd be top of the league right now. seriously.


Don't forget how much criticism Hart got last season. Not saying he wouldnt have been better this season ( probably) but to think we would be top if he was in goal is cloud cuckoo land.
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Re: replacing bravo

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:16 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:I understand why Hart had to go eventually. I think most of us do. Long term he would not have fitted in to Guardiola total football philosophy, I think we all accept that.

I just don’t think he needed to go this season. We have 6,or 7 players before him to replace, that are not going to make the grade. I include our entire defence, except Stones. I think getting rid of Hart at the embryonic Stage of our development under Guardiola was short sighted and extremely stupid, it unsettled our already dodgy defence. We ended up with a revolution instead of evolution. Bravo signing might well cost us our Top 4 finish this season. I think had we persisted with Hart until we got the right defensive players in place and then implemented Guardiola philosophy, it would have been more beneficial for us. Just my opinion.


you're 100% right
with hart in goal we'd be top of the league right now. seriously.


Don't forget how much criticism Hart got last season. Not saying he wouldnt have been better this season ( probably) but to think we would be top if he was in goal is cloud cuckoo land.


The likelihood is if Hart was attempting to play the short game Bravo was when he first came that we'd have conceded far more, truth be told.
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