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carolina-blue wrote:Just heard a point on the way home on the radio

What happens if Lino flags offside defenders stop as flag has been raised , ref blows as striker scores. But Video shows he was onside . ?

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

carolina-blue wrote:Just heard a point on the way home on the radio

What happens if Lino flags offside defenders stop as flag has been raised , ref blows as striker scores. But Video shows he was onside . ?

Then the defenders are idiots, you're taught from an early age to play to the whistle.

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

carolina-blue wrote:Just heard a point on the way home on the radio

What happens if Lino flags offside defenders stop as flag has been raised , ref blows as striker scores. But Video shows he was onside . ?

Then the defenders are idiots, you're taught from an early age to play to the whistle.

Or slightly afterwards in the case of forwards and then get booked.The other issue is all the incorrect lino offside calls that stop a break where the player would be one to one with the keeper or the attackers heavily outnumber the defenders. The ball does not end up in the net but the odds are that it would have with the correct call. Video refs can't buzz the mistake to the onfield officials - so still lots of scope for FA 'stop City' requirements to be met. It shouldn't be beyond our technical powers to chip the players' kit so that electronic beams can do the linos job. Actually we could just all stand round giant FIFA 17 screens.....

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

carolina-blue wrote:Just heard a point on the way home on the radio

What happens if Lino flags offside defenders stop as flag has been raised , ref blows as striker scores. But Video shows he was onside . ?

Then the defenders are idiots, you're taught from an early age to play to the whistle.

Or slightly afterwards in the case of forwards and then get booked.The other issue is all the incorrect lino offside calls that stop a break where the player would be one to one with the keeper or the attackers heavily outnumber the defenders. The ball does not end up in the net but the odds are that it would have with the correct call. Video refs can't buzz the mistake to the onfield officials - so still lots of scope for FA 'stop City' requirements to be met. It shouldn't be beyond our technical powers to chip the players' kit so that electronic beams can do the linos job. Actually we could just all stand round giant FIFA 17 screens.....

It won't solve all issues but where it can help it should be used.

Where would put this chip? Let's say for example it's on the front of their shirt and you have a defender with his back to goal and an attacker facing goal standing level, the chip would show the attacker as offside.

Going back to your point about spectator experience if I may, there's no way of knowing how it will affect it until it's seen in action so at the very least it needs to be trialled before a judgement can be made.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:....Ok so that's one incident where those monitoring messed up, any more from that tournament?

The South American champions from Colombia suffered a shock 3-0 defeat by Japan's Kashima Antlers in Osaka, and it was the first goal that is grabbing all the headlines for many reasons.

Not only did the penalty prove a turning point for the Club World Cup semi-final, but it was a decision made by the off-field "Video Assistant Referee" three minutes after referee Viktor Kassai did not spot Orlando Berrio tripping Daigo Nishi.

Kassai, who officiated the Champions League tie between Manchester City and Barcelona in November, was alerted to the foul by the assistant when the ball went out of play for a throw-in. He ran to the side of the pitch and watched the replay before awarding the controversial spot-kick.

It was a ground-breaking moment and an extraordinary scene in a sport that has been largely reluctant to introduce technology and interfere with the referee, but a common occurrence in other sports such as rugby, cricket and tennis.

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:....Ok so that's one incident where those monitoring messed up, any more from that tournament?

The South American champions from Colombia suffered a shock 3-0 defeat by Japan's Kashima Antlers in Osaka, and it was the first goal that is grabbing all the headlines for many reasons.

Not only did the penalty prove a turning point for the Club World Cup semi-final, but it was a decision made by the off-field "Video Assistant Referee" three minutes after referee Viktor Kassai did not spot Orlando Berrio tripping Daigo Nishi.

Kassai, who officiated the Champions League tie between Manchester City and Barcelona in November, was alerted to the foul by the assistant when the ball went out of play for a throw-in. He ran to the side of the pitch and watched the replay before awarding the controversial spot-kick.

It was a ground-breaking moment and an extraordinary scene in a sport that has been largely reluctant to introduce technology and interfere with the referee, but a common occurrence in other sports such as rugby, cricket and tennis.

The whole thing was ruined - isn't that enough? I'm sure we'll have lots more controversial 'match changing video ref interventions' when the system is introduced into the FA Cup next year and probably at the Russian World Cup too.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:....Ok so that's one incident where those monitoring messed up, any more from that tournament?

The South American champions from Colombia suffered a shock 3-0 defeat by Japan's Kashima Antlers in Osaka, and it was the first goal that is grabbing all the headlines for many reasons.

Not only did the penalty prove a turning point for the Club World Cup semi-final, but it was a decision made by the off-field "Video Assistant Referee" three minutes after referee Viktor Kassai did not spot Orlando Berrio tripping Daigo Nishi.

Kassai, who officiated the Champions League tie between Manchester City and Barcelona in November, was alerted to the foul by the assistant when the ball went out of play for a throw-in. He ran to the side of the pitch and watched the replay before awarding the controversial spot-kick.

It was a ground-breaking moment and an extraordinary scene in a sport that has been largely reluctant to introduce technology and interfere with the referee, but a common occurrence in other sports such as rugby, cricket and tennis.

The whole thing was ruined - isn't that enough? I'm sure we'll have lots more controversial 'match changing video ref interventions' when the system is introduced into the FA Cup next year and probably at the Russian World Cup too.

The whole tournament was ruined by that one decision?

johnny crossan wrote:It shouldn't be beyond our technical powers to chip the players' kit so that electronic beams can do the linos job.

phips wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:It shouldn't be beyond our technical powers to chip the players' kit so that electronic beams can do the linos job.

this is exactly what I've been thinking about. but in the players' boots instead of their kit.

phips wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:It shouldn't be beyond our technical powers to chip the players' kit so that electronic beams can do the linos job.

this is exactly what I've been thinking about. but in the players' boots instead of their kit.

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:I agree with JC and OD. It has the potential to completely fuck up watching live football. It also has the potential to get rid of a lot of bentness in the official decision making. My money is on it making the match-going experience worse and being used to fuck us over in a variety of new ways.

Beefymcfc wrote:

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:I agree with JC and OD. It has the potential to completely fuck up watching live football. It also has the potential to get rid of a lot of bentness in the official decision making. My money is on it making the match-going experience worse and being used to fuck us over in a variety of new ways.

I think it will make the TV paying public's experience even better. Imagine the Rags watching our games when a perfectly good goal is chalked off for some slight infringement by the manager standing out of his technical area in excitement. Then,in the next match, the Rags kick, punch and throw the oppo to the ground before scoring from a six man offside move. Goal given!

Now, that's the experience they are after, not aiding the referees. The ref's already do their dirty work, this could just be an added response to authenticate them.

sidSmith wrote:I really enjoyed the way the shove wasn't given on Sterling and then appreciated how the spuds fan's celebrated their goal moments later. I also enjoyed the 2 offside goals spuds scored at their place last season to fuck us over. I mainly enjoyed these moments because the flow of the game wasn't interrupted and I really felt for their fans as they got to celebrate the goals in 'real time' rather than have it all spoilt by a slight delay.

Tokyo Blue wrote:

sidSmith wrote:I really enjoyed the way the shove wasn't given on Sterling and then appreciated how the spuds fan's celebrated their goal moments later. I also enjoyed the 2 offside goals spuds scored at their place last season to fuck us over. I mainly enjoyed these moments because the flow of the game wasn't interrupted and I really felt for their fans as they got to celebrate the goals in 'real time' rather than have it all spoilt by a slight delay.

This. Well put, Sidney.