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Re: Navas at right back

Postby JamieMCFC » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:42 pm

Pretty Boy Lee wrote: but an attacker that hasn't scored in two years definitely needs to be looked at to a certain extent.


This is the only season he hasn't scored a goal. Granted he has only scored 8 goals in his 4 seasons here, 6 of them in his first season.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:28 pm

Sister of fu wrote:
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patrickblue wrote:Don't know what people have been watching, he's been brilliant for the last couple of games, as Fu said, he was involved in all three goals yesterday.
I think he's suffering from Edgehill syndrome, and gets shit he doesn't deserve.


He's been brilliant when there is ZERO pressure. Against top teams he would be eaten alive at right back. And I don't hate Navas at all. If we'd be upper mid-table side that playswith traditional 4-4-2 (or 3-5-2) with wingers playing wide and not cutting in I'd actually quite like him.

Fullback is a defender though and needs to know how to defend first and foremost. He doesn't.



He played in games against Arsenal and Chelsea up against Sanchez and Hazard. Not at fault for any of the goals and not ripped a new arsehole. Not sure who you view as top teams in the Premier League?

Everyone knows we will get a new right back in the summer so everyone can stop with the moaning about Navas, he won't be here come summer. There will be some other poor fucker that will be snipped at.


He wasn't brilliant (as mentioned on the post I was quoting) against Arsenal or Chelsea.

And what gives you the impression that I'm moaning about Navas? He is ok winger playing out of position.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby patrickblue » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:47 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Sister of fu wrote:
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patrickblue wrote:Don't know what people have been watching, he's been brilliant for the last couple of games, as Fu said, he was involved in all three goals yesterday.
I think he's suffering from Edgehill syndrome, and gets shit he doesn't deserve.


He's been brilliant when there is ZERO pressure. Against top teams he would be eaten alive at right back. And I don't hate Navas at all. If we'd be upper mid-table side that playswith traditional 4-4-2 (or 3-5-2) with wingers playing wide and not cutting in I'd actually quite like him.

Fullback is a defender though and needs to know how to defend first and foremost. He doesn't.



He played in games against Arsenal and Chelsea up against Sanchez and Hazard. Not at fault for any of the goals and not ripped a new arsehole. Not sure who you view as top teams in the Premier League?

Everyone knows we will get a new right back in the summer so everyone can stop with the moaning about Navas, he won't be here come summer. There will be some other poor fucker that will be snipped at.


He wasn't brilliant (as mentioned on the post I was quoting) against Arsenal or Chelsea.



And he certainly wasn't eaten alive.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:23 pm

Dameerto wrote:He made it into Garth (Jabba The) Crooks' team of the week - along with Vinnie and Sane.


Oh my goodness.

Thanks for that D; I was feeling the need to be underwhelmed by something/anything and that fits the bill perfectly. ;) ;)

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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:23 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote: but an attacker that hasn't scored in two years definitely needs to be looked at to a certain extent.


This is the only season he hasn't scored a goal. Granted he has only scored 8 goals in his 4 seasons here, 6 of them in his first season.


Not sure if you're debating my point or adding merit to it there :)
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby dazby » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:00 pm

The big issue for me is that he doesn't effectively use the skills he possesses. The guy is rapid- yet will always, always stop before taking on a defender in a foot race and making half a yard before lamely having a block crossed.
He has no tricks so his only way of beating a player is the aforementioned example.
On the occasions when he does win the football e and get a cross in his success percentage in finding a teammate is unbelievably low.
And he no longer scores so any defender knows they only need to cover the pass.

In short a player that hasn't reached his potential at our club. He gets stick because the fans express their frustration about this.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:25 am

dazby wrote:The big issue for me is that he doesn't effectively use the skills he possesses. The guy is rapid- yet will always, always stop before taking on a defender in a foot race and making half a yard before lamely having a block crossed.
He has no tricks so his only way of beating a player is the aforementioned example.
On the occasions when he does win the football e and get a cross in his success percentage in finding a teammate is unbelievably low.
And he no longer scores so any defender knows they only need to cover the pass.

In short a player that hasn't reached his potential at our club. He gets stick because the fans express their frustration about this.


Interesting technical piece of footballing skill you mention there Dazzer.

Not many players can manage to do that successfully :roll: :roll:
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby edge275 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:32 am

Sister of fu wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
patrickblue wrote:Don't know what people have been watching, he's been brilliant for the last couple of games, as Fu said, he was involved in all three goals yesterday.
I think he's suffering from Edgehill syndrome, and gets shit he doesn't deserve.


He's been brilliant when there is ZERO pressure. Against top teams he would be eaten alive at right back. And I don't hate Navas at all. If we'd be upper mid-table side that playswith traditional 4-4-2 (or 3-5-2) with wingers playing wide and not cutting in I'd actually quite like him.

Fullback is a defender though and needs to know how to defend first and foremost. He doesn't.



He played in games against Arsenal and Chelsea up against Sanchez and Hazard. Not at fault for any of the goals and not ripped a new arsehole. Not sure who you view as top teams in the Premier League?

Everyone knows we will get a new right back in the summer so everyone can stop with the moaning about Navas, he won't be here come summer. There will be some other poor fucker that will be snipped at.


The moaning is justified because it is ludicrous in the first place that we are having to play a player who is shit in his normal position, out of position!

The fact that the richest club in the world is playing Navas at full back is almost unfathomable, but unfortunately is reality.

Pep has made a ton of mistakes this season and if it wasn't for his reputation I'd be calling for his head.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Wonderwall » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:12 pm

Navas played excellent at the weekend. Redmond is having a good season and was snuffed out by Navas. It was also his excellent shot that Forster tipped over for he corner we scored from.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby JamieMCFC » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:59 pm

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote: but an attacker that hasn't scored in two years definitely needs to be looked at to a certain extent.


This is the only season he hasn't scored a goal. Granted he has only scored 8 goals in his 4 seasons here, 6 of them in his first season.


Not sure if you're debating my point or adding merit to it there :)


I have no clue myself. :lol:
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:39 pm

Couodn't mark his man in their equaliser at all. Which isn't surprising considering HE ISN'T A FUCKING DEFENDER.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Dunnylad » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:42 pm

Did he not pick up the other bloke? Was it more that Sterling didn't track back? Agreed though he isn't a RB, but says a lot about Pep's opinion of Zabba
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:43 pm

Dunnylad wrote:Did he not pick up the other bloke? Was it more that Sterling didn't track back? Agreed though he isn't a RB, but says a lot about Pep's opinion of Zabba


Which in turn says lot about how much he understands about defending.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby mr_nool » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:46 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Couodn't mark his man in their equaliser at all. Which isn't surprising considering HE ISN'T A FUCKING DEFENDER.


He had two players to meal and had to pick one of them. As all game after Stirling came on.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby zuricity » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:47 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Couodn't mark his man in their equaliser at all. Which isn't surprising considering HE ISN'T A FUCKING DEFENDER.


He was marking his man , he made the fatal mistake of not trying to head the ball away - a la Kane yesterday.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby nottsblue » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:28 pm

I thought he had a so.id enough game. Sterling was anonymous after he came on, yet he still got forward to support even though he didn't get much in return. No, he is not the long term solution but he is proving a capable deputy
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Cocacolajojo » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:19 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Couodn't mark his man in their equaliser at all. Which isn't surprising considering HE ISN'T A FUCKING DEFENDER.


He did what he could when Sterling wasn't covering his man and both centrebacks were covering giroud.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Spurge » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:06 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Couodn't mark his man in their equaliser at all. Which isn't surprising considering HE ISN'T A FUCKING DEFENDER.


#scapegoat

I would say post once you've calmed down though not sure it would necessarily make any difference.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:14 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Couodn't mark his man in their equaliser at all. Which isn't surprising considering HE ISN'T A FUCKING DEFENDER.


He did what he could when Sterling wasn't covering his man and both centrebacks were covering giroud.


True, wtf were both centre backs doing covering Giroud? And to think they are FUCKING DEFENDERS.
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Re: Navas at right back

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:17 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dunnylad wrote:Did he not pick up the other bloke? Was it more that Sterling didn't track back? Agreed though he isn't a RB, but says a lot about Pep's opinion of Zabba


Which in turn says lot about how much he understands about defending.


I know as per your rant in the other thread that it's not on to speak ill of a player that's universally loved but seeing as you seem to understand defending can you tell me why Kompany went to mark a man that was already marked?
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