Pep Guardian football genius

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I'm reading tons of shit about Pep's style and how it dcould'oesn't work in England, but without a single fucking suggestion of what it is he should be doing differently. (Blah blah he gets paid millions - well, read on). People are looking back fondly on Pellegrini, because rather than being 'stubborn' he would smile and be 'charming' - the fact that Pep dares to have a plan, stick to it and talk about it makes him 'arrogant', but criticizing him without any insight into alternatives is simply fans being 'realistic'. Reminds me of living in working class northern England and having the temerity to aspire to something.

The thing that kills me about today is that, yes, he probably should have made substitutions earlier, and he should probably get some criticism for it, but I'm loathe to offer these criticisms as it feeds those of you who have been taking notes on his flaws since day one and are now putting this out there as the straw that broke the camel's back, when in reality we were a couple of bad decisions and a few poor finishes away from success, today and this season.

Tons of suggestions have been made.
He needs to reform concept of spacial awareness in his precious system to suit English football. In no other league on the planet will you get counter attacks as fast as in Premier League.
He needs to completely rethink his use of fullbacks. Centerbacks can't really cover for two fullbacks at a time
He needs to get over himself as far as his treatment of players that don't suit his system goes. We could've used Joe this season, there was no need to start questioning striker who is about to score 30+goals this season just because he didn't immediately fit the system, he has questioned Vinny, player universally loved, while he was injured which I can guarantee hasn't gone down well with some players, when we clearly lack spirit sitting our most spirited player on the bench while he plays someone completely out of position at his place is insulting to the player.

I could go on all day.

While some rag cunts will come and try to divide Blues truth is no one has really asked for Pep's head. However there is massive work for him to do in order for us to get competitive for next season. Worrying bit? HE ISN'T ADJUSTING AT ALL. All the millions in the world will not turn this/his team into winners unless he is willing to adapt himself. There are LOT of great components in his system but he really needs to adjust it to new environment. So far he ha stubbornly refused to do so.

For me none of this has anything to do with Pellegrini other than maybe use him as a measure of improvement.

Just out of interest NQDP, do you watch much football outside of the PL?

Good question.

I would say I spend perhaps 20 hours a week playing, watching, coaching and recently refereeing (again after a long while) football. I hold two season tickets, players license, coaching license and referees license (albeit currently for only U12 football). So I would say I watch my share of football from very different angles during every week. Though I'm most certainly not a professional.

How about you? Do you watch lot of football outside of Premier League?

Watching quite a bit of La Liga this season, when I had ESPN I watched a lot of German football.

The reason I ask is your assertion that no other league has counter attacks as fast as in England, for me German football has plenty of teams that are devastating on the counter, every bit as fast as in England.

You should've started with the reason.


I agree that Bundesleague is very fast. However the big difference is how mid- and especially bottom tier teams go against bigger teams especially Bayern. They sit back deeper and try to deal with constant pressure by holding the ball more once they actually get it. Tactically smarter but that gave time for Peps teams to regroup.

However if the point, as I suspect, is to prove that Pep is a good manager then point me where I said he wasn't overall. His resume speaks for itself and I have always supported him. To be fair though he has made tons of mistakes and isn't willing to learn right now. We were tactically poor yesterday and had he made tweaks to hs system we would have done better I believe.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Bringing Bavo in has turned out to be a mistake. Playing him yesterday wasn't as he had a good game and was not remotley at fault for either goal. Move on.

Bravo didn't save either goal when both were saveable , we just keep on giving away soft goals with our defensive issues under pep . Both gunners goals were collective defensive fuck ups yet again and yet again this and utter shite / bent officiating .

So Bravo was at fault !! I stand corrected.

lol you're best off leaving it. They'll see what they want to see.

How can anyone argue that playing Bravo is not a mistake. Willy is shit and has performed x10 better than him. He's been dropped for no apparent reason than to shoehorn Bravo back in. Bravo at City is not working, surely pep has to shoulder that blame?

I don't understand how that is debatable.

Willy hasn't been ten times better, he's done well but let's not exaggerate.

It goes back to the fundamentals in what Pep wants his keeper to be able to do, play ball and have the ability to draw the oppo in and put us on the front foot, something Willy, despite his improvement, doesn't have.

Look at our last three big games with Willy in nets, the pattern is the same in terms of goals per shots conceded.

Arsenal 2 on 2 goals
Chelsea 4 on ( inc. weak pen )2 goals
Monaco 4 on 3 goals

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Want to know the difference between me and you nqdp?

I'd day it to your face. And there's absolutely no way in hell you ever would.

Fucking bitch.

Oh, keyboard warrior. Keep up the good work kiddo. You think I'm like that Phips feller who you keep requesting (via PM like a "man who would say it to your face" lol) to be banned who you can schoolyard bully on fucking internet? Well you are badly mistaken.

Now go celebrate City loss again with your roy keane loving "true mancunian" Irish friends as you always do.

Now now, you're getting excited.
Please stop with the Irish bating... you come from possibly the most insignificant country on the planet.

And you're sooooo depressing.


As I said, the difference between me and you is the fact that you'd never say it to my face.
I know because I've talked to people that have met you before and they've said you're a weasel.

Now pipe down again please.

Yeah, I've heard of you as well from people who have met you. Apparently one of the founding members of Guvnors. They told me you have been featured on one of the Danny Dyer shows. He was buzzing about you being one of the roughest guys he has ever met. I also heard you hold Irish record for middle school after school fight wins. Apparently the Leonardo DiCaprios role on Gangs of New York was largely based on you. I think you are mentioned on several House of Pain songs as a great inspiration.

Difference between me and you is that I'm a grown man with grown mans responsibilities whereas you have adopted this persona from Guy Ritchie films you try to act out on Internet.

Oh, and you are foe'd. I'm so scared I can't read your posts anymore. I anyway look under the bed for leprechauns every night. Fucking scared of those red and green little shits.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

[Dameerto]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Monaco break probably quicker than any English Prem team - or they did against us.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Monaco break probably quicker than any English Prem team - or they did against us.

They did against Spurs too, they are incredible on the counter.

[zuricity]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Of course , in other leagues , the counter attack can be very fast. Witness the Messi 3rd goal last bight for Barca.

It is also an illusion to think that the PL is the only difficult league.

Sideshow Bob takes Kun out, Rag ref lets it go- but later books Navas for the tinyest of fouls.

Silva , week in week out , taken out. We could go on ....

As yaya says , better to play without officials

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Of course , in other leagues , the counter attack can be very fast. Witness the Messi 3rd goal last bight for Barca.

It is also an illusion to think that the PL is the only difficult league.

Sideshow Bob takes Kun out, Rag ref lets it go- but later books Navas for the tinyest of fouls.

Silva , week in week out , taken out. We could go on ....

As yaya says , better to play without officials

I'm confused now. Are you saying Pep is doing pretty well? And if you are not saying that then are you saying that he is bit shit having cracked better leagues? Or are you saying that if not for referees we would be topping the league? Don't get it.

[zuricity]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Of course , in other leagues , the counter attack can be very fast. Witness the Messi 3rd goal last bight for Barca.

It is also an illusion to think that the PL is the only difficult league.

Sideshow Bob takes Kun out, Rag ref lets it go- but later books Navas for the tinyest of fouls.

Silva , week in week out , taken out. We could go on ....

As yaya says , better to play without officials

I'm confused now. Are you saying Pep is doing pretty well? And if you are not saying that then are you saying that he is bit shit having cracked better leagues? Or are you saying that if not for referees we would be topping the league? Don't get it.

Did i write that ?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Of course , in other leagues , the counter attack can be very fast. Witness the Messi 3rd goal last bight for Barca.

It is also an illusion to think that the PL is the only difficult league.

Sideshow Bob takes Kun out, Rag ref lets it go- but later books Navas for the tinyest of fouls.

Silva , week in week out , taken out. We could go on ....

As yaya says , better to play without officials

I'm confused now. Are you saying Pep is doing pretty well? And if you are not saying that then are you saying that he is bit shit having cracked better leagues? Or are you saying that if not for referees we would be topping the league? Don't get it.

Did i write that ?

Like I said, I'm confused.

[zuricity]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Of course , in other leagues , the counter attack can be very fast. Witness the Messi 3rd goal last bight for Barca.

It is also an illusion to think that the PL is the only difficult league.

Sideshow Bob takes Kun out, Rag ref lets it go- but later books Navas for the tinyest of fouls.

Silva , week in week out , taken out. We could go on ....

As yaya says , better to play without officials

I'm confused now. Are you saying Pep is doing pretty well? And if you are not saying that then are you saying that he is bit shit having cracked better leagues? Or are you saying that if not for referees we would be topping the league? Don't get it.

Did i write that ?

Like I said, I'm confused.

It is your right to be confused

[City64]

@ NQDP My point was to challenge your assertion that no other league on the planet has counter attacks as fast as in England, that's all, I've given my thoughts on his tactics earlier in the thread.

Oh and you're right, I should've included my reason for asking in my initial post.

Of course , in other leagues , the counter attack can be very fast. Witness the Messi 3rd goal last bight for Barca.

It is also an illusion to think that the PL is the only difficult league.

Sideshow Bob takes Kun out, Rag ref lets it go- but later books Navas for the tinyest of fouls.

Silva , week in week out , taken out. We could go on ....

As yaya says , better to play without officials

I'm confused now. Are you saying Pep is doing pretty well? And if you are not saying that then are you saying that he is bit shit having cracked better leagues? Or are you saying that if not for referees we would be topping the league? Don't get it.

Did i write that ?

Like I said, I'm confused.

You are confusing to be fair ! Or maybe just another antagonist who only comes out when proper fans are hurting ?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You are confusing to be fair ! Or maybe just another antagonist who only comes out when proper fans are hurting ?

Now I'm REALLY confused. If, as it still seems, I have the most posts on this site then does it mean we are always hurting? Then again, I've been member of this site for roughly 20 years which begs the question where were YOU when WE were genuinely hurting?

Like I said, this is all too confusing with you proper fans.

[london blue 2]

You are confusing to be fair ! Or maybe just another antagonist who only comes out when proper fans are hurting ?

Now I'm REALLY confused. If, as it still seems, I have the most posts on this site then does it mean we are always hurting? Then again, I've been member of this site for roughly 20 years which begs the question where were YOU when WE were genuinely hurting?

Like I said, this is all too confusing with you proper fans.

Oh no you didn't go there. Lol

One thing is for sure we are all fucking hurting. This season has been terrible for a number of reasons. Peps underachievment is one of them.

[City64]

You are confusing to be fair ! Or maybe just another antagonist who only comes out when proper fans are hurting ?

Now I'm REALLY confused. If, as it still seems, I have the most posts on this site then does it mean we are always hurting? Then again, I've been member of this site for roughly 20 years which begs the question where were YOU when WE were genuinely hurting?

Like I said, this is all too confusing with you proper fans.

Here there and every fucking where me Discopants just turned 53 and still going strong you patronising cunt but I don't need to give you my real fan lifestory so go fuck yourself , as for this cyber lark its a piece of piss , Glad you have been in cyber land 20 years , maybe that's why your confused and have a shit user name despite being site cyber hierarchy ???

Muppet !

[Original Dub]

Want to know the difference between me and you nqdp?

I'd day it to your face. And there's absolutely no way in hell you ever would.

Fucking bitch.

Oh, keyboard warrior. Keep up the good work kiddo. You think I'm like that Phips feller who you keep requesting (via PM like a "man who would say it to your face" lol) to be banned who you can schoolyard bully on fucking internet? Well you are badly mistaken.

Now go celebrate City loss again with your roy keane loving "true mancunian" Irish friends as you always do.

Now now, you're getting excited.
Please stop with the Irish bating... you come from possibly the most insignificant country on the planet.

And you're sooooo depressing.


As I said, the difference between me and you is the fact that you'd never say it to my face.
I know because I've talked to people that have met you before and they've said you're a weasel.

Now pipe down again please.

Yeah, I've heard of you as well from people who have met you. Apparently one of the founding members of Guvnors. They told me you have been featured on one of the Danny Dyer shows. He was buzzing about you being one of the roughest guys he has ever met. I also heard you hold Irish record for middle school after school fight wins. Apparently the Leonardo DiCaprios role on Gangs of New York was largely based on you. I think you are mentioned on several House of Pain songs as a great inspiration.

Difference between me and you is that I'm a grown man with grown mans responsibilities whereas you have adopted this persona from Guy Ritchie films you try to act out on Internet.

You really are one strange fruit.

[Nigels Tackle]

this thread is fucking gold!

[zuricity]

this thread is fucking gold!

'Comedy gold'

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You are confusing to be fair ! Or maybe just another antagonist who only comes out when proper fans are hurting ?

Now I'm REALLY confused. If, as it still seems, I have the most posts on this site then does it mean we are always hurting? Then again, I've been member of this site for roughly 20 years which begs the question where were YOU when WE were genuinely hurting?

Like I said, this is all too confusing with you proper fans.

Here there and every fucking where me Discopants just turned 53 and still going strong you patronising cunt but I don't need to give you my real fan lifestory so go fuck yourself , as for this cyber lark its a piece of piss , Glad you have been in cyber land 20 years , maybe that's why your confused and have a shit user name despite being site cyber hierarchy ???

Muppet !

Patronising cunt eh? Read what you posted you fuckwit. Joined 2012. What a fucking surprise. 2012 was the first time it came to your mind to google Manchester City+message board? Yeah fucking right. It wasn't in Joe Royle era. Or even fucking Stuart Pearce era. Not when we were about to go under. Nope. It just happened to be right after the league title.

I'll help you out.


www.theshedend.com

Adios bellend. See ya when we win something again.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You are confusing to be fair ! Or maybe just another antagonist who only comes out when proper fans are hurting ?

Now I'm REALLY confused. If, as it still seems, I have the most posts on this site then does it mean we are always hurting? Then again, I've been member of this site for roughly 20 years which begs the question where were YOU when WE were genuinely hurting?

Like I said, this is all too confusing with you proper fans.

Oh no you didn't go there. Lol

One thing is for sure we are all fucking hurting. This season has been terrible for a number of reasons. Peps underachievment is one of them.

Look at that knob acting out. Absolutely uncalled for attack on person. This site has become terrible with knownothing fools like Original Dub getting a free run with many of the better posters moving on. And I can't say I'm surprised seeing the quality now. Obviously some of these people think that is the way to talk around here.

Let me guess, that idiot has also participated on school yard bullying of that Phips feller.