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iwasthere2012 wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:

Mase wrote:So you're saying we need to buy Alves?

I am saying Keepers like Bravo are architects of attacks catching teams out, that is what we will see when we get Full backs who can contribute, Buffon is an old dog learning new tricks, the goal is vey unJuentus, but an example of what quality players add. I would have Alves BTW top draw, maybe like Maldini he has years in him, all that said its men v boys.

I get your point Hazy but Buffon also makes saves. Very important ones.

I still have faith in what Pep is trying to do and it will take higher grade fullbacks, but it will also take s better keeper than Bravo.
He's too small for starters.

Hazy2 wrote:

iwasthere2012 wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:

Mase wrote:So you're saying we need to buy Alves?

I am saying Keepers like Bravo are architects of attacks catching teams out, that is what we will see when we get Full backs who can contribute, Buffon is an old dog learning new tricks, the goal is vey unJuentus, but an example of what quality players add. I would have Alves BTW top draw, maybe like Maldini he has years in him, all that said its men v boys.

I get your point Hazy but Buffon also makes saves. Very important ones.

I still have faith in what Pep is trying to do and it will take higher grade fullbacks, but it will also take s better keeper than Bravo.
He's too small for starters.

The Bravo of his Barca days had to earn his crust his 1v1 stops were fantastic it has not happened at City. Is it all his fault possibly a tad harsh.

iwasthere2012 wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:

iwasthere2012 wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:

Mase wrote:So you're saying we need to buy Alves?

I am saying Keepers like Bravo are architects of attacks catching teams out, that is what we will see when we get Full backs who can contribute, Buffon is an old dog learning new tricks, the goal is vey unJuentus, but an example of what quality players add. I would have Alves BTW top draw, maybe like Maldini he has years in him, all that said its men v boys.

I get your point Hazy but Buffon also makes saves. Very important ones.

I still have faith in what Pep is trying to do and it will take higher grade fullbacks, but it will also take s better keeper than Bravo.
He's too small for starters.

The Bravo of his Barca days had to earn his crust his 1v1 stops were fantastic it has not happened at City. Is it all his fault possibly a tad harsh.

I didn't apportion blame. I just said it'll take a better keeper than him. Our defensive frailties are throughout the team, however he compounds the situation.
There is a lack of confidence with him there. That kind of nervousness spreads and should have been stopped by Pep sooner. Indeed I thought it had been when he started playing Willy, but then dropped him again for no good reason.
With Bravo injured let's see how we finish the season.
I hope Pep learns from his mistakes and if he doesn't fancy Willy next season, will find another solution to the problem.

zuricity wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:

iwasthere2012 wrote:And as we found out, Alves is the player with most assists for Messi at Barca also.

Juve are built on a strong well organized defense though. They are all comfortable on the ball and their midfield also are very well drilled. The whole team look like they know where each other are and should be at any time or situation.
They don't get exposed like we do.

And even though it looked easy enough tonight, Buffon still made a few crucial saves. There is confidence throughout which comes from knowing they are difficult to score against.

Bravo just doesn't inspire confidence.
We'll see how we finish the season but already there is evidence that without Bravo in goal and with Kompany back to organize, we perform better. Even when it was just one or other. Having both scenarios at the same time has us looking much sharper.

If Pep has learnt from this year and we get top three, I'll be happy to chalk it off to experience and let's see if he can get the personnel to make this philosophy work.

Buffon is as good as it gets, he makes the job look easy. He has had world class defenders in front of him for years, we have had 1 world class defender available for a month or so. What he now has is full backs who are not Italian mindset. Catch it and they are away. No coincidence Madrid have the same in Marcelo I am off give it and the whole team are happy to see him bomb on as they cover. Bravo is no Buffon. Who is.

Are you on a wind up mission , Buffon uses grecian 2000! not the future at all

Wonderwall wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Dimples wrote:

Plain Speaking wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:How about we sign a ball playing keeper thats also a great actual keeper.....seems a no brainer to me, willy, joe or bravo arent that person.

If pep had got Ter Stegan like he wanted this season would have been oh so different.

I'm not so sure about Ter Stegen. When we played Barca Ter Stegen had a nightmare. Bravo played much better than him right up to the moment of madness that Bravo got himself sent off.
No other league has the physicality of the PL.

Pep got rid of Hart without​ giving him a chance. IMO he underestimated his ability.
Personally I think Pep needs to show more flexibility. I believe Hart could have improved his distribution and we would have challenged for the title and maybe even the CL if we had kept Hart.

If Hart is sold to a PL rival I think we will regret it.

Goalkeeping was not the only reason Hart was sold.
Pep was breaking up a cartel and making a statement.

What cartel?

Also Joe Hart is one of the best keepers to ever play in Premier League. Something to consider.

That's a very good point. Guardiola has probably knock 10m off Harts price tag with his dismissive attitude to hart. He is England's no1 but now clubs are hesitant because of the guardiola effect.

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

Plain Speaking wrote:

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

My Dad is always telling me the great Bert Trautmann used to be brilliant at starting attacks. Apparently he could throw it with one hand more faster and more accurately to the half way line than players could kick it.

Scatman wrote:

Plain Speaking wrote:

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

My Dad is always telling me the great Bert Trautmann used to be brilliant at starting attacks. Apparently he could throw it with one hand more faster and more accurately to the half way line than players could kick it.

A bit like Peter Schmeichel in that other great side

Plain Speaking wrote:

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

My Dad is always telling me the great Bert Trautmann used to be brilliant at starting attacks. Apparently he could throw it with one hand faster and more accurately to the half way line than players could kick it.

Wonderwall wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Dimples wrote:

Plain Speaking wrote:

Dubciteh wrote:How about we sign a ball playing keeper thats also a great actual keeper.....seems a no brainer to me, willy, joe or bravo arent that person.

If pep had got Ter Stegan like he wanted this season would have been oh so different.

I'm not so sure about Ter Stegen. When we played Barca Ter Stegen had a nightmare. Bravo played much better than him right up to the moment of madness that Bravo got himself sent off.
No other league has the physicality of the PL.

Pep got rid of Hart without​ giving him a chance. IMO he underestimated his ability.
Personally I think Pep needs to show more flexibility. I believe Hart could have improved his distribution and we would have challenged for the title and maybe even the CL if we had kept Hart.

If Hart is sold to a PL rival I think we will regret it.

Goalkeeping was not the only reason Hart was sold.
Pep was breaking up a cartel and making a statement.

What cartel?

Also Joe Hart is one of the best keepers to ever play in Premier League. Something to consider.

That's a very good point. Guardiola has probably knock 10m off Harts price tag with his dismissive attitude to hart. He is England's no1 but now clubs are hesitant because of the guardiola effect.

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

Plain Speaking wrote:

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

My Dad is always telling me the great Bert Trautmann used to be brilliant at starting attacks. Apparently he could throw it with one hand faster and more accurately to the half way line than players could kick it.

He was brilliant at this and it got coined as 'The Revie Plan', insofar as Don Revie, who was theoretically a centre-forward, used to drop back into the centre-circle area to receive the ball from Bert via his long throws. He would control the ball, turn and start quick attacks with the quality of his passing.

In reality, Revie was really a midfield player, although that term didn't really exist in those days and Bert was a great shot-stopper, as well as being brilliant in the air, unlike some 'footballing' goalkeepers of today.

Bert would be priceless in today's market.

johnny crossan wrote:Victor Valdes in talks with us according to twitter, available on a free.

john@staustell wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:Victor Valdes in talks with us according to twitter, available on a free.

I'm hoping it's some hack joke. Mind you does make brilliant saves as well as horrendous clangers. Bravo just does one of those.

BookJunior wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

Plain Speaking wrote:

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

My Dad is always telling me the great Bert Trautmann used to be brilliant at starting attacks. Apparently he could throw it with one hand faster and more accurately to the half way line than players could kick it.

He was brilliant at this and it got coined as 'The Revie Plan', insofar as Don Revie, who was theoretically a centre-forward, used to drop back into the centre-circle area to receive the ball from Bert via his long throws. He would control the ball, turn and start quick attacks with the quality of his passing.

In reality, Revie was really a midfield player, although that term didn't really exist in those days and Bert was a great shot-stopper, as well as being brilliant in the air, unlike some 'footballing' goalkeepers of today.

Bert would be priceless in today's market.

I never had the good fortune to see Bert play but I can well believe you're correct.

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

BookJunior wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:

Plain Speaking wrote:

BookJunior wrote:Football is a simple game and thats the attraction. Pepe is wrong in this respect and if he sticks by his misguided principles then there's a fair chance he'll fail again next year.

The great Malcolm Allison believed in a goalkeeper's potential to start an attack. Both Keith Macrae and Joe Corrigan used full backs to do it.

My Dad is always telling me the great Bert Trautmann used to be brilliant at starting attacks. Apparently he could throw it with one hand faster and more accurately to the half way line than players could kick it.

He was brilliant at this and it got coined as 'The Revie Plan', insofar as Don Revie, who was theoretically a centre-forward, used to drop back into the centre-circle area to receive the ball from Bert via his long throws. He would control the ball, turn and start quick attacks with the quality of his passing.

In reality, Revie was really a midfield player, although that term didn't really exist in those days and Bert was a great shot-stopper, as well as being brilliant in the air, unlike some 'footballing' goalkeepers of today.

Bert would be priceless in today's market.

I never had the good fortune to see Bert play but I can well believe you're correct.

Actually, Bert's long throws were only a part of the so called "Revie Plan", as Don Revie controlled much of the game from his midfield role, with his ball control and passing, as a sort of fulcrum for City's play. He found space and received the ball in most situations.

Revie, however, wasn't an originator in this tactical format as he was largely following in the footsteps of another "deep lying centre-forward"; the Hungarian Nandor Hidegkuti, who starred in England's legendary 6-3 defeat at Wembley in 1953 and who perfected this concept which, in those days, was puzzling for defenders and Managers alike.

However, as your Dad says, it was Bert's fast and accurate throws and distribution which started off lightning counter attacks for City on many occasions.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Valdes is fucking terrible. HELL NO from me.