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Re: Ederson

Postby freshie » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:16 am

Why do so many ex players, pundits and journos think that what Mane did is any different to say a lunge with raised studs which is punishable with a red card and 3 match ban? Fernandinho was sent off at the Etihad against Burnley (I think) last season for what was deemed to be a dangerous challenge. Fernandinho didn't mean to injure the player, and if memory serves me well, actually got the ball yet was still sent off and got a subsequent 3 match ban. I didn't hear anyone complaining that there was no intent and that he was simply trying to win the ball

Dangerous play is irrespective of intent
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Re: Ederson

Postby South Stand Balti » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:45 am

Dimples wrote:For me it is simple.

There is only one reason why you put your foot as high as Mane did - it is because you know the keeper is there.
If you are unaware of where the keeper is, you keep your foot down and control the ball - you have the time.

Deliberate dangerous play for me.
Especially when you consider the damage he could have done considering the speed he was running at.
He could have done serious permanent damage to Ederson.

Throw the book at Mane - he deserves it.

Spot on from top to bottom. We had some unlikely support from Cundy and Goldstein on Talksport last night. They dismissed the whole thing as an obvious sending off and said Liverpool and their fans should just move on. Cundy also said that Ratboy wouldn't let it go during commentary and he couldn't understand why. He also said the hysteria surrounding this can only be because it's the dippers. If it had been anyone else then all would have moved on by now. He only stated the obvious but it was good to hear in the media.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:58 am

I really don't know why the media waste so much effort on the question of intent; the extract from the rules someone posted on Saturday show that it is irrelevant. Dangerous play = red.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Justified logic » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:46 pm

Can someone do me a GIF of Klopp or Mane wearing blinkers please.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:39 pm

FA have rejected the dipper appeal.
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Re: Ederson

Postby South Stand Balti » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:40 pm

Mane's ban stands. Kept it at 3 games.
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Re: Ederson

Postby london blue 2 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:10 pm

Bit of a joke they appealed.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Swales4ever » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:15 pm

Echo thoughts and sentiments on Eddie impact and impressive qualities.
bravery and commitment to the badge are even more impressive considering age and days at the club.

As for the Scousers apppeal.... well...
If it was for me I'd amend the law to provide a degree further to frivolous appeal.
a provision of doubling down the sentence for pathological victimhood should be enforceable at jurors discretion.
triple down in GBH cases.

Then, as far as Ratboy is concerned, I really hate the freak and tollerance isn't exactly one finest of mine.
but I really do think everyone should endure a little more tollerance with him:

I mean...
try and get birth in the home of a rapist,
get kinda social baptism of fire when entering primary school with that ferret shiteface,
then soonely join the devil workship of salford and have your thicko brain washed...
least can happens is some bipolar disorder...
might be my ecumenical freak moment, tho.

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You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Ederson

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:19 pm

freshie wrote:Why do so many ex players, pundits and journos think that what Mane did is any different to say a lunge with raised studs which is punishable with a red card and 3 match ban? Fernandinho was sent off at the Etihad against Burnley (I think) last season for what was deemed to be a dangerous challenge. Fernandinho didn't mean to injure the player, and if memory serves me well, actually got the ball yet was still sent off and got a subsequent 3 match ban. I didn't hear anyone complaining that there was no intent and that he was simply trying to win the ball

Dangerous play is irrespective of intent


The Fern challenge is what sprang to my mind too. I'm staggered this incident isn't having the same standards applied to it by the media.
Thankfully sense prevailed from the appeal. However if ever an appeal was frivolous, then this was it.
City and sniffing knickers.
Come on Blues.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Dameerto » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:51 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:FA have rejected the dipper appeal.

I couldn't see any reason for their grounds to appeal anyway. Correct decision by the ref, penalty applied as per rules and regulations. Fucling muppets. They should have had an extra game or two added on for wasting people's time.
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Re: Ederson

Postby freshie » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:00 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
freshie wrote:Why do so many ex players, pundits and journos think that what Mane did is any different to say a lunge with raised studs which is punishable with a red card and 3 match ban? Fernandinho was sent off at the Etihad against Burnley (I think) last season for what was deemed to be a dangerous challenge. Fernandinho didn't mean to injure the player, and if memory serves me well, actually got the ball yet was still sent off and got a subsequent 3 match ban. I didn't hear anyone complaining that there was no intent and that he was simply trying to win the ball

Dangerous play is irrespective of intent


The Fern challenge is what sprang to my mind too. I'm staggered this incident isn't having the same standards applied to it by the media.
Thankfully sense prevailed from the appeal. However if ever an appeal was frivolous, then this was it.


You just know that if it had been us appealing the decision we would've got an extra match added to the ban
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Re: Ederson

Postby Swales4ever » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:06 pm

freshie wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
freshie wrote:Why do so many ex players, pundits and journos think that what Mane did is any different to say a lunge with raised studs which is punishable with a red card and 3 match ban? Fernandinho was sent off at the Etihad against Burnley (I think) last season for what was deemed to be a dangerous challenge. Fernandinho didn't mean to injure the player, and if memory serves me well, actually got the ball yet was still sent off and got a subsequent 3 match ban. I didn't hear anyone complaining that there was no intent and that he was simply trying to win the ball

Dangerous play is irrespective of intent


The Fern challenge is what sprang to my mind too. I'm staggered this incident isn't having the same standards applied to it by the media.
Thankfully sense prevailed from the appeal. However if ever an appeal was frivolous, then this was it.


You just know that if it had been us appealing the decision we would've got an extra match added to the ban

Tbh, entirely, I think any Club but Rags, Scouse1, Spuds and maybe Arse would have.
think we are more on darlings territory than anti-City bias, here.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
there must be some truth, then!
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Re: Ederson

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:15 pm

South Stand Balti wrote:Mane's ban stands. Kept it at 3 games.


Other than the history of favouritism, should never have been in doubt.
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Re: Ederson

Postby PrezIke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:23 pm

Cheers to the FA for doing the right thing here.

This comment on The Guardian from a summary of 10 points from the weekend's games sums it up for me as well:

1 thing I learned:

A LOT of people think its ok to flying kick a goalie in the face if you think theres the slight chance that you might be able to score a goal. Lets not worry about how likely it is that you might win a ball someone is already in the process of heading... Lets not even worry that your studs are facing the person's face HEAD HEIGHT Alan Shearer/Gary Neville believe that any normal person would choose to maim the opposition player because there is a scoring opportunity....even if that's only in your mind.

it's political correctness gone MAD!!!


The Totally Football Show (James Richardson's new one) had some questioning of these former players saying it was not a red. Kelly Cates challenged Richardson's issue with it being in line with "the letter of the law" for the FA vs. FIFA, and also that some are maybe disagreeing in part because actually refs do not follow the letter of the law normally, as well as Richardson's questioning Ederson charging out "50 feet outside of his area" then she says you can't blame Ederson and that's part of his game. Richardson says, Ederson is taking a massive risk, but Rafa Honigstein then says if Ederson doesn't come out it's a clear cut goal scoring opportunity.

Rafa Honigstein then goes into how laws need to be taken into context and that "individual serious foul play" vs. "dangerous play" and people have a hard time telling the difference. Dangerous play not considered a foul (no direct free kick), yet serious foul play is like a double offence (dangerous + fouled opponent). He compares it to speeding, saying if you get a speeding ticket, it's not major, but you are punished. Yet, if you do so and hurt someone then it is a serious offence, even if you didn't mean to hurt anyone or "you didn't have your eyes" on them, and questions the idea of "risk-reward" into analysis, i.e. he had to go for it, saying that's an explanation not an excuse.
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Re: Ederson

Postby iwasthere2012 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:30 pm

freshie wrote:Why do so many ex players, pundits and journos think that what Mane did is any different to say a lunge with raised studs which is punishable with a red card and 3 match ban? Fernandinho was sent off at the Etihad against Burnley (I think) last season for what was deemed to be a dangerous challenge. Fernandinho didn't mean to injure the player, and if memory serves me well, actually got the ball yet was still sent off and got a subsequent 3 match ban. I didn't hear anyone complaining that there was no intent and that he was simply trying to win the ball

Dangerous play is irrespective of intent



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Re: Ederson

Postby Justified logic » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:28 am

For the record. Brave guy.

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Re: Ederson

Postby nottsblue » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:11 am

Back in training and not afraid to come put of his area. Tough nut it would appear
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Re: Ederson

Postby gmercer1 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:21 am

Still amazed how this is being reported and how some people still saying it shouldn't have been a red card.

Watched the highlights again last night and as already mentioned the bile that comes out of Ratboys and Tylers mouth is disgusting. There is no way they should be allowed to get away with what they spouted when someone could have been seriously injured. He was a very lucky boy yet somehow they tried to make out it was his own fault.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Original Dub » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:28 am

Neville actually said at one stage

"Mane had every right to go for the ball.
If you want to know who's fault it is that ederson is injured, blame the 3 city defenders"

Honestly, they're commentary was the worst I've ever had to endure. I knew this season would topple all others for propaganda, but that was mind blowing stuff.
They've got Gill, pulling strings in Uefa. They've got the Media creaming their pants all over them and haven't twigged that you actually need a football team.
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Re: Ederson

Postby gmercer1 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:31 am

Original Dub wrote:Neville actually said at one stage

"Mane had every right to go for the ball.
If you want to know who's fault it is that ederson is injured, blame the 3 city defenders"

Honestly, they're commentary was the worst I've ever had to endure. I knew this season would topple all others for propaganda, but that was mind blowing stuff.

and all that said before he knew how serious Ederson was. Disgusting.
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