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Postby phips » Wed May 31, 2017 1:52 pm

figured that since he's pretty much on his way here to be our new #1 he deserves his own thread.

there needs to be a place for us to slag him off when he doesnt adapt as quickly to the Premier League.

Ederson Moraes - Factfile

Age: 23
Position: Goalkeeper
Club: Benfica
Nationality: Brazilian
International caps: 5 (U23s)

Born in the suburbs of Brazil's largest city, Ederson began his footballing journey in the youth set-up of one of the country's most famous clubs - Sao Paulo FC.

After a year learning his trade Benfica came calling, whisking the then 16-year-old off to Portugal where he failed to make an impression during a two-year spell.

Portuguese second-tier side Ribeirao offered Ederson a lifeline and, presented with regular first-team football, he grasped the opportunity to develop.

An impressive season between the sticks, which yielded 30 appearances, prompted Rio Ave to sign the youngster.

And it was during his three seasons at the Estadio dos Arcos where Benfica were made to regret their decision to part with Ederson.

A string of fine performances saw him receive international recognition at U23 level and the Portuguese heavyweights quickly secured his return to the Estadio da Luz before his stock rose further.

Just 12 days after taking charge, one of the first tasks newly-appointed Benfica boss Rui Vitoria had to do was to sanction Ederson's return.

Brought in to compete with first-choice stopper Julio Cesar, Ederson found first-team opportunities hard to come by initially as he played second fiddle to his compatriot.

But, when a serious injury ruled Cesar out for the rest of the season, Ederson was called upon to deputise for Benfica's end-of-season run-in.

A Champions League debut against Zenit, and quarter-final elimination at the hands of Bayern Munich, provided a valuable learning curve for Ederson, as too did winning the final 10 games of the season as Benfica clinched their 35th league title.

By the time the 2016/17 campaign had come around it was clear Benfica were looking to the future. Instated as No.1, Ederson made 25 league appearances, 34 in all competitions, and added the Taca de Portugal to another title success.

One of the few, yet substantial, criticisms levelled at Guardiola has focused on his handling of Joe Hart in his first season at City. No sooner had the Spaniard arrived at the Etihad it was made clear to the England international that he was not in the manager's plans, and Hart was soon sent out to Torino on loan.

Guardiola brought in Barcelona goalkeeper Claudio Bravo, citing the Chilean's superior ball-playing skills as reason for snubbing Hart. But his rash decision backfired as Bravo endured a nightmare debut season, so severe that Guardiola has been forced back into market.

Twelve months on, though, and Guardiola looks on the verge of getting the man he thought he had acquired when Bravo put pen to paper.

Like so much of the squad Guardiola has assembled, the talented Ederson will arrive as an unfinished article, allowing Guardiola to mould him into the bespoke goalkeeper he wants.

But, even at this early stage, there is plenty for Guardiola to work with, with Ederson conceding the fewest number of goals in the Primeira Liga last term (12) and the second-highest number of clean sheets (17), behind Iker Casillas.

Comfortable playing off both feet from the back, Ederson has been integral to both the measured and direct approaches that have come to typify Benfica over the last two years.

However, as Bravo will testify, it's not all about distribution.

At 6ft 2 inches, Ederson has developed into an intimidating 'keeper with exemplary shot-stopping ability, attributes which have seen him emerge as one of Europe's promising young goalkeepers.

Speaking to Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias, former Manchester United goalkeeper Edwin van der Sar backed Ederson to thrive in the Premier League.

"Ederson has already shown in the Champions League that his talent is undisputed," the Dutchman said. "He is always focused and has an excellent reading of the game, even without the ball.

"I think Ederson needs another kind of challenge to feel another kind of pressure. But the talent is all there, he only needs to prove it under other conditions. I have no doubt that with the qualities he has can overcome anything."

With a glowing reference like that, who is to say Ederson cannot be the man to solve Guardiola's goalkeeping problems next season and for years to come?



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Ederson has ascertained an average rating of 7.03 at WhoScored, compared to Bravo’s… 6.39. No further words need to be said here.

Ederson makes 2.42 saves per game, compared to Bravo’s 1.44, David De Gea’s 1.81 and Thibaut Courtois’ 1.52.

Ederson’s average distribution length is 31m, compared to Bravo’s 25m. However, compared to De Gea (36m), Courtois (45m) and Mignolet (42m), Ederson shows much more awareness for going short. Though his distribution length on average is less than Bravo’s, it may be argued the great many passes Bravo makes to his centre backs weighs his stat down, and the fact Ederson’s stat is similar would give Pep hope Ederson could adept to the passing game for which Bravo was bought.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Dubciteh » Wed May 31, 2017 2:09 pm

Im worried. Im saying no more till i see him properly though. Those youtube videos do nothing to alleviate my worry.
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Re: Ederson

Postby Nigels Tackle » Wed May 31, 2017 2:17 pm

will be an upgrade on clownio no matter what
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Re: Ederson

Postby Sideshow Bob » Wed May 31, 2017 2:23 pm

Dubciteh wrote:Im worried. Im saying no more till i see him properly though. Those youtube videos do nothing to alleviate my worry.


same. his positioning looks awful in some of the clips ive seen.
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Re: Ederson

Postby sheblue » Wed May 31, 2017 2:57 pm

Let's just give the lad a chance.
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Re: Ederson

Postby littlebig » Wed May 31, 2017 3:12 pm

Ederson out!
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Re: Ederson

Postby Sideshow Bob » Wed May 31, 2017 3:41 pm

sheblue wrote:Let's just give the lad a chance.


deffo yes. just found it strange that some questionable keeping was considered worthy of a highlight reel.
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Re: Ederson

Postby PeterParker » Wed May 31, 2017 3:41 pm

Hate his neck tattoo.

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Re: Ederson

Postby nottsblue » Wed May 31, 2017 3:43 pm

Have my concerns like a lot of folks. Its a lot of money for a realtively untested goalkeeper and one who hasn't been capped for full International honours.

But, like all new City players, if he does in fact sign for us, he is one of us and part of the family and as such will be afforded the due respect and support he deserves
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Re: Ederson

Postby london blue 2 » Wed May 31, 2017 4:08 pm

I miss bravo...
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Re: Ederson

Postby john@staustell » Wed May 31, 2017 4:15 pm

london blue 2 wrote:I miss bravo...


I've never known anything like him. Wasn't it 7 goals in 7 shots until a shot hit one of his legs? Utterly ridiculous. I think one rag said Ederson would be "challenging Bravo".

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Re: Ederson

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed May 31, 2017 4:48 pm

From that video, he looks brave enough going down at opposing players' feet.

Just hope that City can work on him to try and catch a few crosses, rather than punching them.

Having said that, it's only a video and we'll just have to wait and see.
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Postby john@staustell » Wed May 31, 2017 4:58 pm

Most games he'll only have to touch the ball 4 or 5 times. How hard can it be?
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Re: Ederson

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed May 31, 2017 5:29 pm

I've read somewhere that he has an extremely long dead-ball kick, able to launch it from his own area into the opponent's goal area.

It said that one Benfica tactic was, at goal kicks, for all their forwards to push right up beyond all the defenders, into what might be construed as off-side positions (because you can't be offside from a goal kick). The ball was then launched long and the Benfica forwards were ready to run onto it, almost unopposed.

Sounds a bit old style Wimbledon but, very rarely, if used once in a while, it might have some surprise value.
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Re: Ederson

Postby fangsanalsatan » Wed May 31, 2017 5:37 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:I've read somewhere that he has an extremely long dead-ball kick, able to launch it from his own area into the opponent's goal area.

It said that one Benfica tactic was, at goal kicks, for all their forwards to push right up beyond all the defenders, into what might be construed as off-side positions (because you can't be offside from a goal kick). The ball was then launched long and the Benfica forwards were ready to run onto it, almost unopposed.

Sounds a bit old style Wimbledon but, very rarely, if used once in a while, it might have some surprise value.

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Re: Ederson

Postby South Stand Balti » Wed May 31, 2017 5:41 pm

You can't be offside from a goal kick? When did that rule come in?
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Re: Ederson

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed May 31, 2017 5:48 pm

South Stand Balti wrote:You can't be offside from a goal kick? When did that rule come in?


I know, I know - it's probably taking the concept of not interfering with play to the extreme :roll: :roll: :roll: Wish I could remember where I read it.

In essence, Ederson probably can't even reach the half-way line with his goal kicks

Edit : just seen the above video.
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Re: Ederson

Postby PrezIke » Wed May 31, 2017 5:49 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:From that video, he looks brave enough going down at opposing players' feet.

Just hope that City can work on him to try and catch a few crosses, rather than punching them.

Having said that, it's only a video and we'll just have to wait and see.


Except hat's not how a lot of keepers handle such situations. It's too risky and resarch support their reasoning:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2014/06/16/d ... -the-ball/

Commentators often complain that goalkeepers punch or parry the ball when they should be trying to hold on to it. Catching the ball might be safer for the team but it looks a lot worse for the keeper when things go wrong. A hit-and-hope approach to goalkeeping sometimes leads to mistakes but any grab-and-drop counts as a howler, which is much harder to live down.

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Re: Ederson

Postby blues2win » Wed May 31, 2017 6:38 pm

It's official he's signed!!!
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Re: Ederson

Postby blues2win » Wed May 31, 2017 6:40 pm

Apologies I was stupidly fooled by a fake tweet. Teach me a lesson
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