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Foreverinbluedreams wrote:And Mahrez didn't sign until a full year after Sancho had left.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:No, he wasn't good enough for them then either, he didn't start a game for them until 6 months into his contract there, just shy of his 18th birthday.

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:And Mahrez didn't sign until a full year after Sancho had left.

To be fair, he was chased for a full window before we signed him. He was always in the pipeline.

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:And Mahrez didn't sign until a full year after Sancho had left.

To be fair, he was chased for a full window before we signed him. He was always in the pipeline.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:WTF has his age got to do with his ability ?

Stop looking for excuses that don't exist..he was good enough and Dortmund certainly recognized this.

All PeP had to do was play him a few minutes here and there to convince him , like he did with Foden...but he didn't....he went out and bought MehRez instead.

Sometimes its best just to fuckign recognize a fuckup from our hierarchy when theres a fuck up instead of looking for non existing excuses.

Outcast wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:WTF has his age got to do with his ability ?

Stop looking for excuses that don't exist..he was good enough and Dortmund certainly recognized this.

All PeP had to do was play him a few minutes here and there to convince him , like he did with Foden...but he didn't....he went out and bought MehRez instead.

Sometimes its best just to fuckign recognize a fuckup from our hierarchy when theres a fuck up instead of looking for non existing excuses.

He wanted guarantee to first team football before signing extension. How can you guarantee him when he didn't even play a minute? It's all hindsight now.

Outcast wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:WTF has his age got to do with his ability ?

Stop looking for excuses that don't exist..he was good enough and Dortmund certainly recognized this.

All PeP had to do was play him a few minutes here and there to convince him , like he did with Foden...but he didn't....he went out and bought MehRez instead.

Sometimes its best just to fuckign recognize a fuckup from our hierarchy when theres a fuck up instead of looking for non existing excuses.

He wanted guarantee to first team football before signing extension. How can you guarantee him when he didn't even play a minute? It's all hindsight now.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:And Mahrez didn't sign until a full year after Sancho had left.

To be fair, he was chased for a full window before we signed him. He was always in the pipeline.

That sent out a lovely message to JS.......and we wonder why he left us.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Sorry for arguing Carl, you're definitely right, throwing a 16 year old in when we're struggling to get top four is bang on the money, a player that Dortmund didn't feel was ready until a year later should've been getting minutes with us back then.
If anything successive managers not giving youth players a chance is to blame, not Pep preferring not to gamble on a 16 year old.

johnny crossan wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:And Mahrez didn't sign until a full year after Sancho had left.

To be fair, he was chased for a full window before we signed him. He was always in the pipeline.

That sent out a lovely message to JS.......and we wonder why he left us.

You see folks, this is the point. We blew £60m on a one-trick Joorabchian dud and gave away a better player for nothing. Arrogance and ineptitude in equal measure.

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Sorry for arguing Carl, you're definitely right, throwing a 16 year old in when we're struggling to get top four is bang on the money, a player that Dortmund didn't feel was ready until a year later should've been getting minutes with us back then.
If anything successive managers not giving youth players a chance is to blame, not Pep preferring not to gamble on a 16 year old.

The choice was between Sanchez, then Mahrez or Sancho and they picked the wrong pony each time. We already had Sane, Sterling and Bernardo.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:WTF has his age got to do with his ability ?

Nothing at all Carl, perfectly reasonable to throw a 16 year old in when we were struggling to get the results to qualify for Champions League in a team that was still adapting to the new manager's methods.

Excuses excuses excuses.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Sorry for arguing Carl, you're definitely right, throwing a 16 year old in when we're struggling to get top four is bang on the money, a player that Dortmund didn't feel was ready until a year later should've been getting minutes with us back then.
If anything successive managers not giving youth players a chance is to blame, not Pep preferring not to gamble on a 16 year old.

The choice was between Sanchez, then Mahrez or Sancho and they picked the wrong pony each time. We already had Sane, Sterling and Bernardo.

That's pure speculation, you or Carl or anyone else have no idea whether the clubs links to Sanchez and Mahrez influenced Sancho's decision.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

johnny crossan wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Sorry for arguing Carl, you're definitely right, throwing a 16 year old in when we're struggling to get top four is bang on the money, a player that Dortmund didn't feel was ready until a year later should've been getting minutes with us back then.
If anything successive managers not giving youth players a chance is to blame, not Pep preferring not to gamble on a 16 year old.

The choice was between Sanchez, then Mahrez or Sancho and they picked the wrong pony each time. We already had Sane, Sterling and Bernardo.

That's pure speculation, you or Carl or anyone else have no idea whether the clubs links to Sanchez and Mahrez influenced Sancho's decision.

Eh ? of course it would have done ffs !!!!

Mase wrote:For me, it's more that it's Pep's job to convince players they have a future with the club. It's up to him to pursued kids that they're part of City. That doesn't just mean giving them minutes or promising them games.

But from what I've seen of Pep he has a "if he wants to stay he can" kind of attitude, where he should be doing better than that.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:For me, it's more that it's Pep's job to convince players they have a future with the club. It's up to him to pursued kids that they're part of City. That doesn't just mean giving them minutes or promising them games.

But from what I've seen of Pep he has a "if he wants to stay he can" kind of attitude, where he should be doing better than that.

They have to convince him when they get their chance, Sancho had convinced him that he was worth his place in the squad, he was due to go on preseason with the squad after shaking hands on a new deal. The next step was to convince Pep on the pitch when the opportunities came, like they did for Foden and Diaz last season but instead he reneged on the deal and fucked off.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:For me, it's more that it's Pep's job to convince players they have a future with the club. It's up to him to pursued kids that they're part of City. That doesn't just mean giving them minutes or promising them games.

But from what I've seen of Pep he has a "if he wants to stay he can" kind of attitude, where he should be doing better than that.

They have to convince him when they get their chance, Sancho had convinced him that he was worth his place in the squad, he was due to go on preseason with the squad after shaking hands on a new deal. The next step was to convince Pep on the pitch when the opportunities came, like they did for Foden and Diaz last season but instead he reneged on the deal and fucked off.

Speculation.

Whats not speculation is Dortmund believed in him and convinced him and signed him and hes now the best player in their league.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:For me, it's more that it's Pep's job to convince players they have a future with the club. It's up to him to pursued kids that they're part of City. That doesn't just mean giving them minutes or promising them games.

But from what I've seen of Pep he has a "if he wants to stay he can" kind of attitude, where he should be doing better than that.

They have to convince him when they get their chance, Sancho had convinced him that he was worth his place in the squad, he was due to go on preseason with the squad after shaking hands on a new deal. The next step was to convince Pep on the pitch when the opportunities came, like they did for Foden and Diaz last season but instead he reneged on the deal and fucked off.

Speculation.

Whats not speculation is Dortmund believed in him and convinced him and signed him and hes now the best player in their league.

And City believed in him, hence the contract offer.