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Not sure what cryuff 's stats were like compared to gerd Muller when he won the ballon dor ahead of him on a couple of occasions.

I'd say Muller probably scored a lot more and maybe even assisted comparably.

Why did he not win it??

aaron bond wrote:

Mase wrote:I think also people need to be reminded this is ‘player’ of the year NOT ‘goal scorer’ of the year. There’s a separate award for that.

Salah has the same amount of assists as Silva. Only Sane and KDB have more for us.

Salah’s all round game has been excellent season. There’s no denying that.

If I had a vote I’d choose KDB as he’s been the key factor leading us to trophies. But Salah wouldn’t be the first player to win the POTY award and not win the league and with the season he’s having its easy to see why many people think he should get it.

Yet it’s just all about how many goals he’s scored used as justification in the media...

Maybe zidane shouldn't have won the ballon dor at all...

All he did was play centre stage and chip in with some goals and assists

Original Dub wrote:Not sure what cryuff 's stats were like compared to gerd Muller when he won the ballon dor ahead of him on a couple of occasions.

Interestingly (according to Wikipedia), Cruyff didn't win Dutch PoTY (or its equivalent) in any of the seasons he won the Ballon d'Or...

BlueinBosnia wrote:

Original Dub wrote:Not sure what cryuff 's stats were like compared to gerd Muller when he won the ballon dor ahead of him on a couple of occasions.

Interestingly (according to Wikipedia), Cruyff didn't win Dutch PoTY (or its equivalent) in any of the seasons he won the Ballon d'Or...

As in the Dutch league? Was he not playing at Barca?

Original Dub wrote:

BlueinBosnia wrote:

Original Dub wrote:Not sure what cryuff 's stats were like compared to gerd Muller when he won the ballon dor ahead of him on a couple of occasions.

Interestingly (according to Wikipedia), Cruyff didn't win Dutch PoTY (or its equivalent) in any of the seasons he won the Ballon d'Or...

As in the Dutch league? Was he not playing at Barca?

For 1 win, no, another was for the year he transferred (meaning the season he completed and won trophies for in that calendar year was at Ajax), and for the third year he was at Barca (where there was no Spanish footballer of the Year award yet).

Edit: Seems to be a not-too-uncommon occurrence - Keegan didn't win West German footballer of the year at Hamburg either time he won the Ballon d'Or, either, and Beckenbauer and Rummenigge only won them both in the same season once each (with Gerd Muller failing to do so).

Original Dub wrote:Maybe zidane shouldn't have won the ballon dor at all...

All he did was play centre stage and chip in with some goals and assists

Have been thinking the same thing in relation to who wins these awards. Truth is this is likely connected to the impact of modern football/the Internet.

Kaka was the last pure midfielder to win the award and that was 11 years ago.

No defenders ever really have a chance to win, but the same issue about the impact of goals is arguably why David Silva has had lack of recognition for his brilliance until of late.

Midfielders do win PFA POY more regularly in England, which may be cultural, yet part of that appears to also be due to a lack of high total goal scoring forwards having consistent seasons of late when their club performs well (Aguero's injury record, and our record or weak title defence even in season's we came in 2nd, I believe has caused him harm).

Salah is the first in a while that has. Other bias related factors (club's popularity, time of performance, club's form) are also likely having an impact.

I’m still amazed Kolarov didn’t win POTY any season he was with us. Shows how bent the voting is.

Salad is a one season wonder.

sheblue wrote:Salad is a one season wonder.

I dunno, we eat it all year round in our house

sheblue wrote:Salad is a one season wonder.

What seasoning is that .Pepper ?

These awards and the likely favourites get more peculiar as we go along.

This related to YPOTY :

"Marcus Rashford is the fourth favourite for the prize, priced at 25/1.

Rashford has six Premier League goals and five assists to his name.

The fifth ranked player is French international Anthony Martial.

The 22-year-old has nine goals and five assists in the league. Martial is 33/1 to win."

Rashford is English, Martial is not.
Nationality and the team you play for counts, just think about the stuff Deli Ali gets away with.

Dimples wrote:Rashford is English, Martial is not.
Nationality and the team you play for counts, just think about the stuff Deli Ali gets away with.

What about Sterling? I genuinely think football fans in general are thick as fuck and just live off what the media says. They report Sterling has kicked off about moving clubs and whether it’s true or not foot all fans are thick enough to just believe it.

aaron bond wrote:

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:When is the voting on this? If its just about to happen its no surprise that there is a drive from vasious sources to make it Salah.If it's done already Kev has a chance but maybe only a slight one.

At the beginning of this month Eden Hazard was quoted as saying he voted for De Bruyne over Salah.

So it’s either finished or ongoing.

I think that's for the PFA award, rather than the Premier League's own award, although as players get two votes it's not clear from that whether he voted De Bruyne first and Salah second (if you are able to 'rank' your votes), or if it was De Bruyne and A.N. Other, with Salah not getting a look in.

BlueinBosnia wrote:

aaron bond wrote:

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:When is the voting on this? If its just about to happen its no surprise that there is a drive from vasious sources to make it Salah.If it's done already Kev has a chance but maybe only a slight one.

At the beginning of this month Eden Hazard was quoted as saying he voted for De Bruyne over Salah.

So it’s either finished or ongoing.

I think that's for the PFA award, rather than the Premier League's own award, although as players get two votes it's not clear from that whether he voted De Bruyne first and Salah second (if you are able to 'rank' your votes), or if it was De Bruyne and A.N. Other, with Salah not getting a look in.

Not a chance Kev will get it, there'll be more dodgeyness than the Russian election.

it seems to me like Salah has been more consistent than KDB.

as many have said, Kevin has drastically dipped for the last month or so, which is what i think will essentially hand the award to Salah--unfortunately, that being said, when Kevin was on fire for most of the season there wasn't any competition whatsoever with Salah, even though Mo was still scoring at that point. and his 4 goal haul vs Watford will just be the recent thing that sticks in voter's minds.

Salah's goal for Egypt yesterday might just be the icing on the cake.

phips wrote:it seems to me like Salah has been more consistent than KDB.

as many have said, Kevin has drastically dipped for the last month or so, which is what i think will essentially hand the award to Salah--unfortunately, that being said, when Kevin was on fire for most of the season there wasn't any competition whatsoever with Salah, even though Mo was still scoring at that point. and his 4 goal haul vs Watford will just be the recent thing that sticks in voter's minds.

If you asked this same question in January I think you would have said the complete opposite.

phips wrote:it seems to me like Salah has been more consistent than KDB.

as many have said, Kevin has drastically dipped for the last month or so, which is what i think will essentially hand the award to Salah--unfortunately, that being said, when Kevin was on fire for most of the season there wasn't any competition whatsoever with Salah, even though Mo was still scoring at that point. and his 4 goal haul vs Watford will just be the recent thing that sticks in voter's minds.

I've told you a million times do not exaggerate.