It Simply Has To Be Ederson On Sunday.

[zabbadabbado]

It would not be fair.

I think Bravo is a poor goalkepper, but Bravo played a huge part in reaching the final. He is the main reason we are here, so he has to play without doubt.
Last time we did something like this, we lost a final. Footballers are weird, a simple bad management decision can fuck our season.

I still have the Mancini moment in my head.

Caballero had a mare the midweek before the Liverpool final. Look how that turned out.

I agree with you, PP. If the manager has promised Bravo that he will play, he plays. It really is as simple as that.

If you haven't got any principles and your word means nothing, then you are jose mourinho.

I get your point.

Then I think about the circumstances.

When we chose Willy as our Cup keeper it was because there really was no difference between him and Joe Hart. *Putting Big Willy in the Hole.(couldnt resist it ) Had no impact on the momentum of the team. It could be argued his distribution was much better than Hart any way.

With Bravo and Ederson there really is a fundamental difference in both their keeping.

We are not talking about changing a keeper, and having no detrimental effect on the good of the team. And how we play. We are.

Ederson has become key to how we play. That is more than evident, in nearly every game we have played this season our defenders have taken turns to switch off maybe once during many games. His situational awareness is as good as his quick distribution, he reads the game so well. Quickly off his line to neutralise the threat. We now take this side of his game for granted.

For instance last night Bravo sees the fuck up from Walker, reacts far too slowly, starts to come, decides to back off, shows the striker where to put the Ball with his positioning. Bang 1-0, their only fucking chance of the game converted.

You change Bravo for Ederson and repeat last night Walker mistake. Walker loses the Ball, you have Ederson off his line clearing the Ball, chance gone.

Then you have Ederson quick distribution.Also his excellent handling of set pieces.

[Plain Speaking]

It would not be fair.

I think Bravo is a poor goalkepper, but Bravo played a huge part in reaching the final. He is the main reason we are here, so he has to play without doubt.
Last time we did something like this, we lost a final. Footballers are weird, a simple bad management decision can fuck our season.

I still have the Mancini moment in my head.

Caballero had a mare the midweek before the Liverpool final. Look how that turned out.

I agree with you, PP. If the manager has promised Bravo that he will play, he plays. It really is as simple as that.

If you haven't got any principles and your word means nothing, then you are jose mourinho.

I get your point.

Then I think about the circumstances.

When we chose Willy as our Cup keeper it was because there really was no difference between him and Joe Hart. *Putting Big Willy in the Hole.(couldnt resist it ) Had no impact on the momentum of the team. It could be argued his distribution was much better than Hart any way.

With Bravo and Ederson there really is a fundamental difference in both their keeping.

We are not talking about changing a keeper, and having no detrimental effect on the good of the team. And how we play. We are.

Ederson has become key to how we play. That is more than evident, in nearly every game we have played this season our defenders have taken turns to switch off maybe once during many games. His situational awareness is as good as his quick distribution, he reads the game so well. Quickly off his line to neutralise the threat. We now take this side of his game for granted.

For instance last night Bravo sees the fuck up from Walker, reacts far too slowly, starts to come, decides to back off, shows the striker where to put the Ball with his positioning. Bang 1-0, their only fucking chance of the game converted.

You change Bravo for Ederson and repeat last night Walker mistake. Walker loses the Ball, you have Ederson off his line clearing the Ball, chance gone.

Then you have Ederson quick distribution.Also his excellent handling of set pieces.

I totally agree with this. However Pep will play Bravo to keep him happy. Did Pep need to say before last night's game Bravo would play in the final? No, but he made it clear. Pep believes in keeping to his commitments and his word, unlike Alves and Sanchez.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It would not be fair.

I think Bravo is a poor goalkepper, but Bravo played a huge part in reaching the final. He is the main reason we are here, so he has to play without doubt.
Last time we did something like this, we lost a final. Footballers are weird, a simple bad management decision can fuck our season.

I still have the Mancini moment in my head.

Caballero had a mare the midweek before the Liverpool final. Look how that turned out.

I agree with you, PP. If the manager has promised Bravo that he will play, he plays. It really is as simple as that.

If you haven't got any principles and your word means nothing, then you are jose mourinho.

I get your point.

Then I think about the circumstances.

When we chose Willy as our Cup keeper it was because there really was no difference between him and Joe Hart. *Putting Big Willy in the Hole.(couldnt resist it ) Had no impact on the momentum of the team. It could be argued his distribution was much better than Hart any way.

With Bravo and Ederson there really is a fundamental difference in both their keeping.

We are not talking about changing a keeper, and having no detrimental effect on the good of the team. And how we play. We are.

Ederson has become key to how we play. That is more than evident, in nearly every game we have played this season our defenders have taken turns to switch off maybe once during many games. His situational awareness is as good as his quick distribution, he reads the game so well. Quickly off his line to neutralise the threat. We now take this side of his game for granted.

For instance last night Bravo sees the fuck up from Walker, reacts far too slowly, starts to come, decides to back off, shows the striker where to put the Ball with his positioning. Bang 1-0, their only fucking chance of the game converted.

You change Bravo for Ederson and repeat last night Walker mistake. Walker loses the Ball, you have Ederson off his line clearing the Ball, chance gone.

Then you have Ederson quick distribution.Also his excellent handling of set pieces.

I totally agree with this. However Pep will play Bravo to keep him happy. Did Pep need to say before last night's game Bravo would play in the final? No, but he made it clear. Pep believes in keeping to his commitments and his word, unlike Alves and Sanchez.

It's not to keep Bravo happy, it's to keep the squad happy.

[PeterParker]

What I fail to understand, and this comes from a guy who thinks Bravo is maybe the worst transfer in the new era, alongside Santa Cruz, is why do we held him responsible for what happend last night.

Walker had one of the most fucked decisions I saw in years, while, if you look at the strike, the ball jumps just in front of his hand because of the terrible pitch.
Instead of being 1-0 it should had been 1-5, but really it is hard to convert when Sergio has one good game then 6 when he is abysmal, while Gundogan is just a shadow of what he was and and so on.

I blame last night on two things:

1.Anthony Taylor - how is it possible that we allow FA to give us a ref who is a well known supporter of our biggest rivals?
2.We are tight. Our squad is tight and it shows last night when we had only 2 subs going in. When Gundo and Sergio fail, we have no one to step in. Diaz was fantastic with WBA, then horrible with Burnley.

[mr_nool]

Despite what I said last night bravo should start. Not to do so could disrupt the team.

That said the fact that his shots to goals ratio is so shite I can't see how anyone can feel that we are ok with him in the net. We need to move him on asap.

His ratio is decent this year, around 70 odd %, similar to Ederson, why are people ignoring this?

Wigan had two shots on target mate. One went in.

And the same has happened to Ederson this season on occasion. It can happen like that when your defence hang you out to dry.

In fact, the game we just played against Leicester, they had 2 on target and scored 1.

You're the voice of reason as ever.

Ederson's saving percentage in the league at the moment is 66.6666% (60 shots against, 20 conceded).
Bravo had a horrible spell last year where every shot against him seemed to go in, but the fact is that he hasn't performed particularly poor this season when called upon. He's saving percentage is on par with the top keepers in the country. I don't have any stats for this, but I also have the feeling that the majority of the goals he has conceded have been one-on-ones from a relatively short distance.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Despite what I said last night bravo should start. Not to do so could disrupt the team.

That said the fact that his shots to goals ratio is so shite I can't see how anyone can feel that we are ok with him in the net. We need to move him on asap.

His ratio is decent this year, around 70 odd %, similar to Ederson, why are people ignoring this?

Wigan had two shots on target mate. One went in.

And the same has happened to Ederson this season on occasion. It can happen like that when your defence hang you out to dry.

In fact, the game we just played against Leicester, they had 2 on target and scored 1.

You're the voice of reason as ever.

Ederson's saving percentage in the league at the moment is 66.6666% (60 shots against, 20 conceded).
Bravo had a horrible spell last year where every shot against him seemed to go in, but the fact is that he hasn't performed particularly poor this season when called upon. He's saving percentage is on par with the top keepers in the country. I don't have any stats for this, but I also have the feeling that the majority of the goals he has conceded have been one-on-ones from a relatively short distance.

We've faced 29 shots on target against us over both cups so far and conceded 7.

Workd out at just over 75% save percentage for Bravo.

[mr_nool]

In general from lower level strikers, but still a good percentage.

[zabbadabbado]

I take it there will also be no Delph Sunday. Straight red = 3 Game Ban ?.

Meaning we will have to play the young inexperienced Zinchenko as a defensive wing back. No doubt Arsenal will target the lad as a weakness. This is not going to be an easy game.

I very rarely back against us in football games. I am tempted of lumping on Arsenal as insurance policy for a downer of a day with Bravo in goal. I honestly think our defence will be all over the show, (that bad). I think some people forget Bravo is the reason we bought Ederson, short memories. There’s one thing struggling past Championship teams like Wolves, losing to Wigan Athletic (his level).Its another playing Arsenal full of potential Goal scorers. Hopefully he will play a highly unlikely blinder.Breaking his own trend of conceding from nearly every strike on his goal.

[mr_nool]

I take it there will also be no Delph Sunday. Straight red = 3 Game Ban ?.

Meaning we will have to play the young inexperienced Zinchenko as a defensive wing back. No doubt Arsenal will target the lad as a weakness. This is not going to be an easy game.

I very rarely back against us in football games. I am tempted of lumping on Arsenal as insurance policy for a downer of a day with Bravo in goal. I honestly think our defence will be all over the show, (that bad). I think some people forget Bravo is the reason we bought Ederson, short memories. There’s one thing struggling past Championship teams like Wolves, losing to Wigan Athletic (his level).Its another playing Arsenal full of potential Goal scorers. Hopefully he will play a highly unlikely blinder.Breaking his own trend of conceding from nearly every strike on his goal.

I think Danilo will play left back (although I would probably prefer Zinchenko myself).

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I take it there will also be no Delph Sunday. Straight red = 3 Game Ban ?.

Meaning we will have to play the young inexperienced Zinchenko as a defensive wing back. No doubt Arsenal will target the lad as a weakness. This is not going to be an easy game.

I very rarely back against us in football games. I am tempted of lumping on Arsenal as insurance policy for a downer of a day with Bravo in goal. I honestly think our defence will be all over the show, (that bad). I think some people forget Bravo is the reason we bought Ederson, short memories. There’s one thing struggling past Championship teams like Wolves, losing to Wigan Athletic (his level).Its another playing Arsenal full of potential Goal scorers. Hopefully he will play a highly unlikely blinder.Breaking his own trend of conceding from nearly every strike on his goal.

What kind of idiotic shit is that?

"I think some people forget Bravo is the reason we bought Ederson"

Not one person on here is saying they'd have Bravo over Ederson.

All anyone is saying is that he wasn't at fault last night, his shot to goal ratio is quite good this season and he is our cup keeper so should play on Sunday because its the right thing to do.

[zabbadabbado]

What I fail to understand, and this comes from a guy who thinks Bravo is maybe the worst transfer in the new era, alongside Santa Cruz, is why do we held him responsible for what happend last night.

Walker had one of the most fucked decisions I saw in years, while, if you look at the strike, the ball jumps just in front of his hand because of the terrible pitch.
Instead of being 1-0 it should had been 1-5, but really it is hard to convert when Sergio has one good game then 6 when he is abysmal, while Gundogan is just a shadow of what he was and and so on.

I blame last night on two things:

1.Anthony Taylor - how is it possible that we allow FA to give us a ref who is a well known supporter of our biggest rivals?
2.We are tight. Our squad is tight and it shows last night when we had only 2 subs going in. When Gundo and Sergio fail, we have no one to step in. Diaz was fantastic with WBA, then horrible with Burnley.

Would you want to sit next to Bravo on a Plane on away Days to Europe ?

On a serious note, do you not think he showed the striker the only place he could realistically put the Ball to score last night ?.His positioning is woeful.

Starts to come off his line, backs off.

As for his Stats one or two are posting for this season. Most of them are made up from games playing Championship sides. Ederson stats are made up from playing Premier League side’s week in, week out, and Europe’s finest teams. Bravo didn’t work out too good at top level for us. I would class Arsenal as a top level side

[PeterParker]

What I fail to understand, and this comes from a guy who thinks Bravo is maybe the worst transfer in the new era, alongside Santa Cruz, is why do we held him responsible for what happend last night.

Walker had one of the most fucked decisions I saw in years, while, if you look at the strike, the ball jumps just in front of his hand because of the terrible pitch.
Instead of being 1-0 it should had been 1-5, but really it is hard to convert when Sergio has one good game then 6 when he is abysmal, while Gundogan is just a shadow of what he was and and so on.

I blame last night on two things:

1.Anthony Taylor - how is it possible that we allow FA to give us a ref who is a well known supporter of our biggest rivals?
2.We are tight. Our squad is tight and it shows last night when we had only 2 subs going in. When Gundo and Sergio fail, we have no one to step in. Diaz was fantastic with WBA, then horrible with Burnley.

Would you want to sit next to Bravo on a Plane on away Days to Europe ?

On a serious note, do you not think he showed the striker the only place he could realistically put the Ball to score last night ?.His positioning is woeful.

Starts to come off his line, backs off.

As for his Stats one or two are posting for this season. Most of them are made up from games playing Championship sides. Ederson stats are made up from playing Premier League side’s week in, week out, and Europe’s finest teams. Bravo didn’t work out too good at top level for us. I would class Arsenal as a top level side

I think he is shit, but he is not responsible for last night.

As for the game on Sunday, got us through Wolves and Leicester. He needs to start even if he is shit.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

What I fail to understand, and this comes from a guy who thinks Bravo is maybe the worst transfer in the new era, alongside Santa Cruz, is why do we held him responsible for what happend last night.

Walker had one of the most fucked decisions I saw in years, while, if you look at the strike, the ball jumps just in front of his hand because of the terrible pitch.
Instead of being 1-0 it should had been 1-5, but really it is hard to convert when Sergio has one good game then 6 when he is abysmal, while Gundogan is just a shadow of what he was and and so on.

I blame last night on two things:

1.Anthony Taylor - how is it possible that we allow FA to give us a ref who is a well known supporter of our biggest rivals?
2.We are tight. Our squad is tight and it shows last night when we had only 2 subs going in. When Gundo and Sergio fail, we have no one to step in. Diaz was fantastic with WBA, then horrible with Burnley.

Would you want to sit next to Bravo on a Plane on away Days to Europe ?

On a serious note, do you not think he showed the striker the only place he could realistically put the Ball to score last night ?.His positioning is woeful.

Starts to come off his line, backs off.

As for his Stats one or two are posting for this season. Most of them are made up from games playing Championship sides. Ederson stats are made up from playing Premier League side’s week in, week out, and Europe’s finest teams. Bravo didn’t work out too good at top level for us. I would class Arsenal as a top level side

The stats being posted are in response to his goal to shit ratio being questioned. Quit being a cunt.

[AG7]

I would put Ederson in goal, but then I am not managing the team, Pep is ... and he has already (even before the Wigan game) come out and said Bravo would be in goal in the cup final ... maybe he knew if Bravo cost us the Wigan game, he better get ahead of this and state his position out in the open so any kind of Bravo performance (good or bad) doesn't bring out this question again before the Final ...

Oh, well it will be Bravo in goal, I'm pretty sure because of the way Pep said it (can anyone pull up the video of that presser) ... and yes doesn't instill confidence one bit. Not looking forward to the Final, already stressed.

[zabbadabbado]

What I fail to understand, and this comes from a guy who thinks Bravo is maybe the worst transfer in the new era, alongside Santa Cruz, is why do we held him responsible for what happend last night.

Walker had one of the most fucked decisions I saw in years, while, if you look at the strike, the ball jumps just in front of his hand because of the terrible pitch.
Instead of being 1-0 it should had been 1-5, but really it is hard to convert when Sergio has one good game then 6 when he is abysmal, while Gundogan is just a shadow of what he was and and so on.

I blame last night on two things:

1.Anthony Taylor - how is it possible that we allow FA to give us a ref who is a well known supporter of our biggest rivals?
2.We are tight. Our squad is tight and it shows last night when we had only 2 subs going in. When Gundo and Sergio fail, we have no one to step in. Diaz was fantastic with WBA, then horrible with Burnley.

Would you want to sit next to Bravo on a Plane on away Days to Europe ?

On a serious note, do you not think he showed the striker the only place he could realistically put the Ball to score last night ?.His positioning is woeful.

Starts to come off his line, backs off.

As for his Stats one or two are posting for this season. Most of them are made up from games playing Championship sides. Ederson stats are made up from playing Premier League side’s week in, week out, and Europe’s finest teams. Bravo didn’t work out too good at top level for us. I would class Arsenal as a top level side

The stats being posted are in response to his goal to shit ratio being questioned. Quit being a cunt.

A cunt for bringing some balance to the Bravo argument really.?. You don’t like my opinion fair enough no problem,. You don’t like my opinion read my name and move on. Simple really, better than throwing your Toys out the Pram and having a hissy fit.

As I said, just pointing out his stats have been made up playing Championship sides and Premier League second string s pretty much all the way to the final on Sunday.

Absolutely no comparison.

Cant get my Head around all the lovey, dovey sentiment I am hearing being spouted about. Must be an age thing. For me its black and white, simple, we have just been knocked out of a Cup by Wigan Fucking Athletic, Bravo was in goal because we are nice like that, and apparently he is a really sweet Guy, and if we don’t play him in the Cups he might get upset and cry,or even demand a transfer, even worse the squad might down Tools, and go on strike Sunday. Long gone are the days when the collective good of the team came before anything else. These Days one must not upset any snow flakes

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I would put Ederson in goal, but then I am not managing the team, Pep is ... and he has already (even before the Wigan game) come out and said Bravo would be in goal in the cup final ... maybe he knew if Bravo cost us the Wigan game, he better get ahead of this and state his position out in the open so any kind of Bravo performance (good or bad) doesn't bring out this question again before the Final ...

Oh, well it will be Bravo in goal, I'm pretty sure because of the way Pep said it (can anyone pull up the video of that presser) ... and yes doesn't instill confidence one bit. Not looking forward to the Final, already stressed.

Just out of curiosity, a question for you and anyone else that thinks Ederson should start on Sunday, have you ever played as part of a team? Have you any experience of dynamics within a dressing room? Have you ever managed a team?

[mr_nool]

What I fail to understand, and this comes from a guy who thinks Bravo is maybe the worst transfer in the new era, alongside Santa Cruz, is why do we held him responsible for what happend last night.

Walker had one of the most fucked decisions I saw in years, while, if you look at the strike, the ball jumps just in front of his hand because of the terrible pitch.
Instead of being 1-0 it should had been 1-5, but really it is hard to convert when Sergio has one good game then 6 when he is abysmal, while Gundogan is just a shadow of what he was and and so on.

I blame last night on two things:

1.Anthony Taylor - how is it possible that we allow FA to give us a ref who is a well known supporter of our biggest rivals?
2.We are tight. Our squad is tight and it shows last night when we had only 2 subs going in. When Gundo and Sergio fail, we have no one to step in. Diaz was fantastic with WBA, then horrible with Burnley.

Would you want to sit next to Bravo on a Plane on away Days to Europe ?

On a serious note, do you not think he showed the striker the only place he could realistically put the Ball to score last night ?.His positioning is woeful.

Starts to come off his line, backs off.

As for his Stats one or two are posting for this season. Most of them are made up from games playing Championship sides. Ederson stats are made up from playing Premier League side’s week in, week out, and Europe’s finest teams. Bravo didn’t work out too good at top level for us. I would class Arsenal as a top level side

The stats being posted are in response to his goal to shit ratio being questioned. Quit being a cunt.

A cunt for bringing some balance to the Bravo argument really.?. You don’t like my opinion fair enough no problem,. You don’t like my opinion read my name and move on. Simple really, better than throwing your Toys out the Pram and having a hissy fit.

As I said, just pointing out his stats have been made up playing Championship sides and Premier League second string s pretty much all the way to the final on Sunday.

Absolutely no comparison.

Cant get my Head around all the lovey, dovey sentiment I am hearing being spouted about. Must be an age thing. For me its black and white, simple, we have just been knocked out of a Cup by Wigan Fucking Athletic, Bravo was in goal because we are nice like that, and apparently he is a really sweet Guy, and if we don’t play him in the Cups he might get upset and cry,or even demand a transfer, even worse the squad might down Tools, and go on strike Sunday. Long gone are the days when the collective good of the team came before anything else. These Days one must not upset any snow flakes

We weren't kicked out because of Bravo, though. That goal was 100% Walker's fault. And at the other end of the pitch we failed to score one single goal against a League 1 side despite more than 80% possession and 27 shots.

I think it's tiresome to blame Bravo and it deflects from other, more valid issues.

[AG7]

I would put Ederson in goal, but then I am not managing the team, Pep is ... and he has already (even before the Wigan game) come out and said Bravo would be in goal in the cup final ... maybe he knew if Bravo cost us the Wigan game, he better get ahead of this and state his position out in the open so any kind of Bravo performance (good or bad) doesn't bring out this question again before the Final ...

Oh, well it will be Bravo in goal, I'm pretty sure because of the way Pep said it (can anyone pull up the video of that presser) ... and yes doesn't instill confidence one bit. Not looking forward to the Final, already stressed.

Just out of curiosity, a question for you and anyone else that thinks Ederson should start on Sunday, have you ever played as part of a team? Have you any experience of dynamics within a dressing room? Have you ever managed a team?

As I said, it's not me who is managing the team ... Pep is ... and he has a lot of experience at a pretty high level ... so that's what matters, not what I think ... and my point was not who I think or not think is the better keeper or what the team dynamics in that dressing room are ... my point simply was: Pep knew this question would arise before the Final (again) and maybe that's why he went ahead and stated it publicly who would be in the goal in the Final, even before the Wigan game ... Bravo could've saved that and earned us a replay last night and all here would be hailing him as the hero and wanting him in goal in the final (me including) ... that's just the nature of the football fans ... Pep knows what he's doing and his team's dynamics this particular instance shows it clearly ... he wasn't even asked about who would keep the goal in the final but only about the Wigan game and he went out of his way to point out that Bravo would be keeping the goal against Arsenal at Wembley. Must have seen this question could come after Wigan and so addressed it already!

[zabbadabbado]

I would put Ederson in goal, but then I am not managing the team, Pep is ... and he has already (even before the Wigan game) come out and said Bravo would be in goal in the cup final ... maybe he knew if Bravo cost us the Wigan game, he better get ahead of this and state his position out in the open so any kind of Bravo performance (good or bad) doesn't bring out this question again before the Final ...

Oh, well it will be Bravo in goal, I'm pretty sure because of the way Pep said it (can anyone pull up the video of that presser) ... and yes doesn't instill confidence one bit. Not looking forward to the Final, already stressed.

Just out of curiosity, a question for you and anyone else that thinks Ederson should start on Sunday, have you ever played as part of a team? Have you any experience of dynamics within a dressing room? Have you ever managed a team?

It appears not only is your opinion more superior to all us cunts.. It seems only you have ever played football at any level.

I think you will find most of the lads on here including me have played football.

And most of us have probably played in sides that had players who were some of the biggest cunts imaginable. Thing is those cunts who missed training, came and went as they pleased were often the first names on the team sheet on a Saturday/Sunday morning because they were good players and won games. Thats how it used to work at every level. You played your best side you won things. There was no morality issues. What was best for the team came first. No matter how unpalatable some might find it.

For a man who thinks he knows it all, preaching. You really could do with working on those interpersonal skills.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

A cunt for bringing some balance to the Bravo argument really.?. You don’t like my opinion fair enough no problem,. You don’t like my opinion read my name and move on. Simple really, better than throwing your Toys out the Pram and having a hissy fit.

As I said, just pointing out his stats have been made up playing Championship sides and Premier League second string s pretty much all the way to the final on Sunday.

Absolutely no comparison.

Cant get my Head around all the lovey, dovey sentiment I am hearing being spouted about. Must be an age thing. For me its black and white, simple, we have just been knocked out of a Cup by Wigan Fucking Athletic, Bravo was in goal because we are nice like that, and apparently he is a really sweet Guy, and if we don’t play him in the Cups he might get upset and cry,or even demand a transfer, even worse the squad might down Tools, and go on strike Sunday. Long gone are the days when the collective good of the team came before anything else. These Days one must not upset any snow flakes

No, a cunt for insinuating that the reason the stats were posted was in an attempt to big up Bravo, there again perhaps you just have a problem with basic comprehension, if that's the case I apologise for suggesting you were being a cunt.