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obvious jokes about it saving us from the embarrassment of failure aside, given the current situation with russia should we refuse to send our lads over to that corrupt shithole?

From a political standpoint, yes.
From a football standpoint, I don't really care.

Yes

Someone needs to have some balls and Im glad our government, have at last ,managed find some.

I don't give two fucks about the English national team they are abject and a cash cow for the corrupt cunts at the FA , oh and a complete embarrassment to English football . However ! if we as a nation had any balls (no pun intended) we should pull out of the World Cup imo . We wont though because greed and money will prevail over common sense, humility and dignity as always , that's why the world we live in is in the state it is right now .

The adage that sport and politics shouldn't mix still rings true.

Yes, Russia should never have been awarded the World Cup in the first instance, but they were awarded it and we are one of the 32 nations to have qualified. Thus we should take our place. If we don't where is the line drawn? A no show in Qatar due to perceived "human rights" failures and oppression of women? A boycott of tournaments in the USA due to war mongering? Italy due to widespread corruption?

Whether we bomb at the finals or by some miracle we do well is irrelevant. We should be there to do well or fail. This is sport, to be played on a field of play, not in a parliamentary office

nottsblue wrote:The adage that sport and politics shouldn't mix still rings true.

Yes, Russia should never have been awarded the World Cup in the first instance, but they were awarded it and we are one of the 32 nations to have qualified. Thus we should take our place. If we don't where is the line drawn? A no show in Qatar due to perceived "human rights" failures and oppression of women? A boycott of tournaments in the USA due to war mongering? Italy due to widespread corruption?

Whether we bomb at the finals or by some miracle we do well is irrelevant. We should be there to do well or fail. This is sport, to be played on a field of play, not in a parliamentary office

it’s a bit more than just a political spat

patrickblue wrote:From a political standpoint, yes.
From a football standpoint, I don't really care.

This

England commit many crimes across the world, don't get this finger pointing and holier than thou attitude. Just admit they're all cunts, fuck off the jingoism and watch the footy ffs

Fidel Castro wrote:England commit many crimes across the world, don't get this finger pointing and holier than thou attitude. Just admit they're all cunts, fuck off the jingoism and watch the footy ffs

We used commit many crimes across the world when we were powerful , strong and owned most of the fucking globe . We are just a tiny fucked up capatilist nation now with shite politicians .

Not if they promise to poison Lingard

johnny crossan wrote:Not if they promise to poison Lingard

out of the next TWO, yes

We’ve not turned up for the last 3, why make this any different.

If politics were factored into attending sport events - there would be no events.
To many diverse views, etc...

The Russian gas company, Gazprom, is a sponsor of the CL, let's boycott the CL.
Corrupt Russian money flows into London to be laundered, sieze it.
The Tory Party accepted £870000 from Russian donors (what do they want for their money?), give it back.
The West buys natural gas from Russia, stop buying it. I'm sure those whose homes will freeze in the winter will be happy to make the sacrifice.

Not going to happen is it? So forgive me if I don't take all this talk of having the biggest balls seriously.

I feel we've been here a few times

No, absolutely not, should FIFA have pulled it away from there... Yes.

Football and politics shouldn't mix, when there is an ethical question then it is the responsibility of the organisers and not the participants to sort it

Fidel Castro wrote:England commit many crimes across the world, don't get this finger pointing and holier than thou attitude. Just admit they're all cunts, fuck off the jingoism and watch the footy ffs

This...all day long !

sandman wrote:No, absolutely not, should FIFA have pulled it away from there... Yes.

Football and politics shouldn't mix, when there is an ethical question then it is the responsibility of the organisers and not the participants to sort it

This - plus, if it's for political reasons, the beef is between the UK and Russia, not England and Russia.

On a sporting and security side, there's no way the tournament should be held in Russia. If England had've thrown the qualifiers in protest, or qualified and refused to participate before the draw was made, I'd have doffed my cap to them. Same for Qatar (although things there might get a bit interesting when it comes to this, with Egypt and Saudi Arabia - both teams who'd be fancied to qualify - having serious political beef with the hosts).

BlueinBosnia wrote:

sandman wrote:No, absolutely not, should FIFA have pulled it away from there... Yes.

Football and politics shouldn't mix, when there is an ethical question then it is the responsibility of the organisers and not the participants to sort it

This - plus, if it's for political reasons, the beef is between the UK and Russia, not England and Russia.

On a sporting and security side, there's no way the tournament should be held in Russia. If England had've thrown the qualifiers in protest, or qualified and refused to participate before the draw was made, I'd have doffed my cap to them. Same for Qatar (although things there might get a bit interesting when it comes to this, with Egypt and Saudi Arabia - both teams who'd be fancied to qualify - having serious political beef with the hosts).

Have you decided England isn't part of the UK now?

Sparklehorse wrote:

Fidel Castro wrote:England commit many crimes across the world, don't get this finger pointing and holier than thou attitude. Just admit they're all cunts, fuck off the jingoism and watch the footy ffs

This...all day long !

If you were frothing at the mouth as a result of Novichok instead of anti-English sentiment you might reconsider that response

johnny crossan wrote:

BlueinBosnia wrote:

sandman wrote:No, absolutely not, should FIFA have pulled it away from there... Yes.

Football and politics shouldn't mix, when there is an ethical question then it is the responsibility of the organisers and not the participants to sort it

This - plus, if it's for political reasons, the beef is between the UK and Russia, not England and Russia.

On a sporting and security side, there's no way the tournament should be held in Russia. If England had've thrown the qualifiers in protest, or qualified and refused to participate before the draw was made, I'd have doffed my cap to them. Same for Qatar (although things there might get a bit interesting when it comes to this, with Egypt and Saudi Arabia - both teams who'd be fancied to qualify - having serious political beef with the hosts).

Have you decided England isn't part of the UK now?

Sparklehorse wrote:

Fidel Castro wrote:England commit many crimes across the world, don't get this finger pointing and holier than thou attitude. Just admit they're all cunts, fuck off the jingoism and watch the footy ffs

This...all day long !

If you were frothing at the mouth as a result of Novichok instead of anti-English sentiment you might reconsider that response

What are your thoughts then JC, easy to nit pick at others stand point............