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Postby Tokyo Blue » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:00 am

Bear60 wrote:I don't think retribution is the answer we somehow need to show them up for what they are maybe give their team bus a heartwarming welcome by applauding them for their victory over us at Anfield I know this will never happen but wouldn't that just show how classy we are and belittle them can't believe how I have changed as I have got older because as a youngster I would have wanted revenge


The violent kind of retribution, no. I agree.

Winning 6-0 while maintaining our dignity and composure kind of retribution would be more than adequate.

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Postby john68 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:10 am

As one of the very older ones, I desperately want to call for calm, I really do want City fans to be passive and show their class. I also understand that any retribution or revenge next week could and probably would see City sanctioned severely, giving UeFA the chance they crave to ensure we are not a challenge to their favoured elite......but.......

I am so fucking angry at those events by those scumbags.
My favoured response would be for City players to be so fucking angry that they tear the dippers a new arse on the field of play. 10-0 may be unreachable but it would be the smallest scoreline that may sate my anger.

I now dearly want to City to win this comp, a competition designed to ensure the fat cats got fatter at everyone else's expense and is totally riddled with corruption at all levels. I want to win it and see the team refuse to collect the trophy as a sign that it is valueless and not worth pissing in.

As an alternative, I would like City to parcel it up in a big box, with pictures of Jim Bowen and Bully and despatch it to Anfield with the message "Here's what you could have won". Please mind it for us, no need to polish it as it is a worthless piece of shit.
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Postby BookJunior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:30 am

Newspapers reporting that the UEFA disciplinary hearing is 5 days after the final. UEFA wants extra cash in other words.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:46 am

BookJunior wrote:Newspapers reporting that the UEFA disciplinary hearing is 5 days after the final. UEFA wants extra cash in other words.

Yep. They can't have possible semi-final disrupted by showing empty seats where the fans should've been. That's what should be happening but as we all know, it's all about the money. Safety a long way behind in the priorities.

Imagine if it happens against Barca or Real, do people think we would be waiting until the end of the season for a proper response?
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Postby BookJunior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:10 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
BookJunior wrote:Newspapers reporting that the UEFA disciplinary hearing is 5 days after the final. UEFA wants extra cash in other words.

Yep. They can't have possible semi-final disrupted by showing empty seats where the fans should've been. That's what should be happening but as we all know, it's all about the money. Safety a long way behind in the priorities.

Imagine if it happens against Barca or Real, do people think we would be waiting until the end of the season for a proper response?


No. Obviously. A rather rancid odour coming from the whole affair.
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Postby Dameerto » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:03 am

Hearing is 5 days after the final because fans are not their priority - joke of a competition run by clowns.
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Postby Dub City » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:33 am

The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?
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Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:01 am

Dub City wrote:The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?


Impossible to close roads off two hours before a game for around 15 minutes to give save passage to teams travelling to the stadium. What a crock of shit.
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Postby City64 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:02 am

Dub City wrote:The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?

All part of the Merseyside Police cover up pal . It wasn’t their fault !
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Postby Wonderwall » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:03 am

Uefa will fine Liverpool about 40k and warn them over their future conduct, possibly a suspended stadium ban to play behind closed doors if it happens again. I really hope this is the case TBH, because we all know they are going to be playing in next years UCL and there will be a point where they need to get a win and will revert to type, however, the club and police this time will be pleading for no disruption to the opposition coach. This is when fans from all other clubs can attend the welcome and pelt the coach on their behalf to ensure they get their comeuppance
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Postby Dub City » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:13 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Dub City wrote:The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?


Impossible to close roads off two hours before a game for around 15 minutes to give save passage to teams travelling to the stadium. What a crock of shit.


Wasn't calling for roads to be closed was saying the crock of shit is the Police response to this is having known the plans to publicise the new route and step back and say well the roads narrow what can we do to stop it.
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Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:16 am

Dub City wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Dub City wrote:The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?


Impossible to close roads off two hours before a game for around 15 minutes to give save passage to teams travelling to the stadium. What a crock of shit.


Wasn't calling for roads to be closed was saying the crock of shit is the Police response to this is having known the plans to publicise the new route and step back and say well the roads narrow what can we do to stop it.


I didn't say you were, I was responding to the police claim that they couldn't stop it happening.
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Postby zabbadabbado » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:23 am

BookJunior wrote:Newspapers reporting that the UEFA disciplinary hearing is 5 days after the final. UEFA wants extra cash in other words.
Said earlier in the thread. This is part of the problem.

After a night like Tuesday UEFA should have immediately thrown the book at Liverpool to deter others from repeating such ugly scenes. Where the deterrent or justice, there is is none. Supporters trashing the Bus of a team of players promoting their miserable shitty UEFA brand. There is no difference with what went on Tuesday night, and some daft cunt going psycho in a work place endangering all the employees by throwing things about. Players are entitled to basic Health and safety protection whilst performing their employment duties. One of them could have been blinded by Glass shards it was that serious. Yet UEFA in their wisdom think it is only worth dealing with 5 days after the final.

The proper response would have been to throw the fuckers out the competition immediately or order them to play behind closed doors.

Hopefully Tuesday night will pass off without incident. I don’t think GMP could be as incompetent as Merseyside Police if they tried. Revealing the route etc. .If there is some sort of retribution by a small minority I won’t be surprised in the least, I don’t think any of us will. I think if what happened Tuesday happened during a Premier League game the English FA would have nipped this in the bud, and thrown the book at Liverpool. Unfortunately Liverpool are darlings of UEFA.
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Postby BookJunior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:36 pm

Dub City wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Dub City wrote:The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?


Impossible to close roads off two hours before a game for around 15 minutes to give save passage to teams travelling to the stadium. What a crock of shit.


Wasn't calling for roads to be closed was saying the crock of shit is the Police response to this is having known the plans to publicise the new route and step back and say well the roads narrow what can we do to stop it.


Other forces do it and so could Merseyside Police. Lancashire even do it for away supporters coaches.
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Postby Justified logic » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:31 pm

BookJunior wrote:
Dub City wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Dub City wrote:The scouse Police have said given the roads around Anfield are narrow its not possible to avoid crowds gathering and getting this close to the bus. They have shown they do not have the ability to police this event so surely this calls into question is Anfield and their police force fit for purpose for holding football matches if safe access can not be provided to visiting teams? If the answer is no can UEFA allow them to keep staging games here?


Impossible to close roads off two hours before a game for around 15 minutes to give save passage to teams travelling to the stadium. What a crock of shit.


Wasn't calling for roads to be closed was saying the crock of shit is the Police response to this is having known the plans to publicise the new route and step back and say well the roads narrow what can we do to stop it.


Other forces do it and so could Merseyside Police. Lancashire even do it for away supporters coaches.

You must remember that Liverpool is still in a shithole whereas our owners have greatly improved the environment around our ground.
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Postby iwasthere2012 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:03 pm

Shamelessly lifted form Bluemoon, but I thought this was very well articulated.
Written years ago by a Chelsea supporter.
If anything this lot have got worse in the passing of time. Sterling got a lot more abuse than Torres.
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“”Let me try and explain Liverpool Football Club and why they have so many representatives in the media, why they seem to get away with anything, why they are so distressed about Torres leaving and why this all leads to Chelsea being openly hated.

It’s quite simple and fascinating. Liverpool (the “club”, which is like any other football club, no more than an abstract concept built on concrete facts like past records, a stadium and supporters), the fans and many of their former players show the same behaviour traits displayed by followers of major religions. Once you begin to understand this and how it manifests itself, the anger dies down.

The closest comparison is with the Catholic Church and Islam. Both powerful religions obsessed with being big. Obsessed with the number of followers they have and obsessed with preserving their beliefs even when faced with evidence that disproves or just challenges their long-held assumptions.

Ritual, as we know, is a key element to religious behaviour. “You’ll Never Walk Alone” is an incredible example of this. It is sung with religious fervour and is about surrendering individuality for the group. It is a defining moment for all Liverpool followers. No other football chant comes close. And they ask everyone who hears it to comment on it. They ask us to confirm that it is the loudest, most awe-inspiring, most spine-tingling, most religious moment we have ever experienced. And it is repeated word-for-word, note-for-note before every match as a gospel choir would sing in church. It does not behave like a football chant. There is no humour, no taunting the opposition, no jolly lads getting ready for 90 minutes of support and abuse. It is born-again, wide-eyed fervour.

Repetition is, of course, a central factor to the belief system and that is why every Liverpool follower (I choose this word above supporter), is primed to say exactly the same as every other Liverpool follower. There can be no deviation from the true path. Have you ever met a Liverpool follower who would dare to say that YNWA is a dreadful chant or that talking about “history” is a load of bunkum? This kind of deviation is not allowed and if someone dared to say such a thing then the simple answer would be that he is not a true follower because a true follower would not say such a thing.

History. What is this fascination with history? Football is really only about the present and memory. It is not about history. Most supporters know all about their team. They know the great players, cups won and disappointments along the way. But history? This is something that religions do in order to create a back story on which to build a myth. Liverpool has no more history than Crewe Alexandra or Queens Park Rangers, although it has certainly had more success. Success can be measured and although Liverpool’s followers like to quote their successes (and fear being surpassed), it is something that is ultimately too risky to build a belief system upon. In fact, this season Manchester United could become more “successful” than Liverpool in domestic league titles. For this reason Liverpool’s belief system is built on an abstract concept (history) rather than something that is scientifically provable (league titles). In fact, the more Liverpool stopped winning things, the more “history” became the currency for their beliefs.

Only recently have we heard commentators say on television that even with all Chelsea’s money and recent success, they will never have Liverpool’s history. Of course that is true because nobody knows what it means to have another club’s history and nobody could ever be anybody else anyway! This is a trick that religions have been using for thousands of years and why it is practically impossible to debate with “true believers”.

As an aside, an interesting comparison can be made between Liverpool and Everton and one that a football anthropologist would do well to study and report on in detail. The followers / supporters of these clubs display very different traits even though they may come from the same families, live in the same streets, go to the same schools. Everton play the theme tune from Z Cars when the team runs out and talk about the School of Science. They support their club and leave it at that. I would love to see some genetic research on those who choose to be a Blue and those who opt for the Reds in Liverpool. If, as neuroscientists are attempting to locate at the moment, there is a “god gene”, I would imagine it is more prevalent in Liverpool followers than Everton supporters. (This doesn’t mean they are closer to god but more disposed to believing in one).

It is often remarked that there are more ex-Liverpool players in the media and on football programmes than any other club. Match of the Day is a good example where the definition of a balanced view is to listen to Alan Hansen first and then Mark Lawrenson. But why does this happen? Again, the answer lies in religion or how Liverpool displays all the traits of religion at its worst. There are not more Liverpool representatives because they have history or had success. That would be ridiculous. And statistically Liverpool has had the same number of players in the last 40 years as any other club and they are only one of about 45 teams that have been in the top division during this period, which makes it unlikely that any club would be represented by more than a couple of ex-players on television. But, like religious followers, the ex-players are believers and believers want to be heard. (Evolutionary biologists describe the meme theory where beliefs are transmitted by individuals or a group. This may be how religions survive and so the analogy holds in this case). It is essential for the Liverpool story to be told over and over again and therefore it needs storytellers. This subconsciously propels ex-players from Liverpool to become spokesmen and storytellers and thus perpetuate the myth. The only other club that does this is Arsenal, where it has convinced its own followers first and then the wider public that it has a “way of doing things”. But we can leave Arsenal for another day.

And all this brings us up to Fernando Torres. He is a footballer. He played for Liverpool. He is a good footballer. He decided he wanted to move to another club (in much the same way he decided he wanted to move to Liverpool four years ago). This happens all the time. Footballers either stay at one club all their career or move. These are the only two things they can do. We are all used to it. But something very different has happened here. In fact, something religious has happened.

Fernando Torres was loved at Liverpool. He had a special status like a saint or a leader. And he became an apostate. In religious terms, this is as bad as it gets. No matter how big or how powerful a religion is, the “church” is rocked to its foundations when someone chooses to leave or step outside the line. In Islam, apostates are killed. Think of Salman Rushdie. He wrote a book where he imagined some scenes that involved the prophet having sex. This led to death threats, book burning, flag burning and the incredible scenes of followers of an enormous religion feeling threatened by the words of one man. The lesson is simple. When you are in the club, the church, the movement you do not criticise and you always follow the party line. You’ll Never Walk Alone. The Biggest. History.

Fernando Torres angered his followers by becoming an apostate and daring to say that he was moving somewhere else that might be bigger. And just like across the muslim world the same reaction happened on Merseyside. Book burning, shirt burning. And to back up the meme theory, this was transmitted through the media. It was considered a subject for debate even though the conclusion was never in doubt (as it never is with religious followers). TORRES DID NOT MOVE TO A BIGGER CLUB. HE IS A BAD MAN. HE HAS LIED.

And so Torres has moved from saint to apostate to sinner to Judas figure. And he has been replaced by a second coming, by a brighter future because religions don’t like to lie down and admit defeat. They are never wrong. Every Liverpool follower is now saying exactly the same thing. They did best out of the deal. They got two for one. They traded in someone past his best. They are happy. The religion was challenged but it has come out on top. They will never walk alone.

I could go on about how they have created a god out of Shankly. Someone who is often quoted, even though he didn’t really ever say that much which is particularly illuminating or original. I could also mention the self-pity (another religious characteristic) and their desire to always be a part of every tragedy. In fact, once you start the more you realise how interesting it is that in England there are so many football clubs but only one that stands out for displaying the behaviour traits of a religion.

Religions do need other religions in order to survive. It may be argued that through memes they create other religions themselves along their evolutionary path (Judaism to Christianity to Islam as well as the different branches specifically within Judaism and Christianity). Opposition is a necessary factor for belonging. And, for another day, this is why the new Chelsea myth exists and why “pundits” (followers of Liverpool) are openly antagonistic towards Chelsea, something which they would not do to any other club. Chelsea is a threat and must be treated that way, according to the followers of the Liverpool religion.

But I don’t want to linger on Chelsea, or why Manchester United has continued being successful without displaying the same traits as Liverpool or why nobody has ever considered if Bolton Wanderers, West Bromwich Albion or West Ham United have a history. I just want to show why we all find it so frustrating listening to the nonsense that is spoken about Liverpool and by their followers. And once we begin to understand that it is like listening to a Moonie talking about being saved or a theologian cloaked in mythology masquerading as fact “proving” that miracles really do happen that we realise that we will never be able to argue with Liverpool followers. They are too far gone. And quite simply, that means they are too far away from truth, reality and knowing how to have a good time.”
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Postby nottsblue » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:06 pm

A bloke goes into an antique shop one day and spots for sale a brass cat. "How much for the cat"? he asks the owner of the shop.
"£50 for the cat and £50 for the story" he replied.
"OK, I'll just take the cat" the man said and went on his merry way
As he walked down the road dozens and dozens of cats followed him. This started to annoy the man and by the time he got to the river there must have been 1000 cats behind him.
"Fuck this" the man thought and chucked the brass cat into the river. Whereupon all the other cats followed suit and threw themselves in as well.
He then went back to the shop to speak to the owner
"I knew you'd be back for the story" the owner smugly replied.
"Story?" queried the man. "I've come to ask if you have any brass scousers?"
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Postby BookJunior » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:48 pm

I'm a Roman Catholic and not convinced by the comparison. However it puzzles me that the sign of the cross is used as a windup or cheap ritual.
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Postby iwasthere2012 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:23 pm

BookJunior wrote:I'm a Roman Catholic and not convinced by the comparison. However it puzzles me that the sign of the cross is used as a windup or cheap ritual.

I am too, or at least I was brought up that way and can very much see the same indoctrination and ritual.
I wouldn't take it too literally though. Obviously the analogy isn't a complete like for like and he stretches it a bit.

They are like their own little cult though and it seems they've been that way a long time and are not changing with the times.
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Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:27 pm

Some interesting points.

Personally I always thought 'You’ll Never Walk Alone' was a dreadful dirge (marginally better than the slow version of 'When the Spuds Go Marching In'); if they had to pick a Gerry Marsden song, Ferry Cross the Mersey would be better, at least that would lead to somewhere nicer than Liverpool! And as someone who studied History at college, if it is so important, why aren't they all Notts County fans?
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