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At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:10 pm
by john@staustell
Now we know what yesterday's dosh was for:

https://www.afp.com/en/news/3955/indian ... oc-1mn3gn6

The owners of English Premier League champions Manchester City on Thursday made Mumbai City FC of India the eighth club in their global football empire.

Abu Dhabi-controlled City Football Group announced the takeover of the Indian side the day after a US equity fund pumped $500 million in new cash into CFG, taking its value to $4.8 billion.

On top of the English champions, CFG also own New York City FC, Melbourne City in Australia, Yokohama F Marinos in Japan, Sichuan Jiuniu in China, Spanish second division side Girona and Club Atletico Torque in Uruguay.

Analysts say the 65 percent stake taken in Mumbai is new proof that CFG wants to build a global football-based entertainment conglomerate.

Mumbai's former owners, Bollywood actor Ranbir Kapoor and Bimal Parekh, a fund manager for Bollywood stars, "will hold the remaining 35 percent of shares," said a CFG statement.

"We believe that this investment will deliver transformative benefits to Mumbai City FC, to City Football Group and to Indian football as a whole," said CFG chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak.

Kapoor and Parekh founded Mumbai when the Indian Super League was created in 2014. At the start they hired foreign stars including Nicolas Anelka, Freddie Ljungberg and Diego Forlan with English manager Peter Reid but could not buy success.

Mumbai City has twice reached the ISL end-of-season playoffs but never won a title.

While Manchester City pack out their 50,000-plus stadium, Mumbai's 8,000 capacity stands are usually only half full to see the team now managed by former Sporting Lisbon captain Jorge Costa.

Nita Ambani, head of the ISL and wife of India's richest man Mukesh Ambani, said the deal marked a "new era for football in India."

- Football's Indian future -

And CFG chief executive Ferran Soriano said in Mumbai that the group "has been looking at football in India for years".

"We are now convinced of the bright future for the ISL," he added.

Soriano said the new owners were sure that in 10 years "there will be Indian players who are going to be stars on the world stage." He promised investment in coaching and facilities at Mumbai.

Simon Chadwick, a sports business professor at Salford University in England, said that Soriano has long expressed a vision that "football clubs should operate like Walt Disney".

This would see clubs produce entertainment products that can be franchised in many countries using the latest television technology, and accompanied by merchandising and retailing strategies, he added.

Chadwick said India was an increasingly important sports market with its strengthening economy and growing middle class.

He said the Mumbai deal uses CFG's operations in "football, entertainment, technology, business. By franchising in this way, CFG can serve multiple markets at the same time, thereby appropriately targeting local consumers and generating associated revenues."

CFG now employs more than 1,500 footballers across the globe and Chadwick said the group would make cost-savings by having so many franchise clubs to slash the cost of "talent spotting and acquisition."

"CFG is ahead of its rivals and has established a competitive advantage both off and on the field that its rivals will struggle to match," he said.

Manchester City have won the English Premier League title four times since Abu Dhabi United Group, the investment vehicle owned by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, took over the club.

They have had 11 successive years of financial growth and earlier this month reported record revenue of £535.2 million (628.6 million euros) last season.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:17 pm
by salford city
Fuck Mumbai City, spunk the money on Mbappe

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:21 pm
by City64
Discounted Etihad holiday flights to Goa via Mumbai ?

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:48 pm
by sheblue
It's a bit underwhelming but I suppose it's a growing market and it makes good business sense.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:01 pm
by Mase
Shithole

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:53 pm
by carl_feedthegoat
Mase wrote:Shithole


It actually is and I'm surprised we went for a project in a Cricket mad country where football ranks far far down the chain.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:56 pm
by Hazy2
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mase wrote:Shithole


It actually is and I'm surprised we went for a project in a Cricket mad country where football ranks far far down the chain.


Our owners make very few mistakes, when it comes to the brand growth. 1/2 a billion racked in this week ;)

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:14 pm
by BlueinBosnia
Loads of ex-City connections have passed through the Indian Super League since it started. A couple of years ago, I think there were around 10 or 12 players and managers who've been associated with us in the past, and I wouldn't bet against us being the team (from outside Asia) with the most connections to the league in terms of managers and marquee players.

Off the top of my head, there was Elano, Curle, Phelan, Anelka, and David James.

Having a look around, there was also Reid, and I'm sure at least one or two of our youngsters in the early 2000s were out there. I've also just seen John Burridge is a goalkeeping coach, so that's another one!

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:36 pm
by patrickblue
That might be a bit of a struggle seeing the whole subcontinent is rag central.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:55 pm
by mr_nool
patrickblue wrote:That might be a bit of a struggle seeing the whole subcontinent is rag central.


There are a lot of moronic, Indian Liverpool fans as well. At least on Twitter ...

90% of the time when I read an especially stupid tweet by a Liverpool fan – often calling City fans plastics – it's by a Bangalorian die hard red.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:01 pm
by Mase
mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:That might be a bit of a struggle seeing the whole subcontinent is rag central.


There are a lot of moronic, Indian Liverpool fans as well. At least on Twitter ...

90% of the time when I read an especially stupid tweet by a Liverpool fan – often calling City fans plastics – it's by a Bangalorian die hard red.


Yeah irritates me that last bit.
Or "emptyhad" from a cunt in Indian that's never seen the team he "supports" play live.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:05 pm
by mr_nool
Mase wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:That might be a bit of a struggle seeing the whole subcontinent is rag central.


There are a lot of moronic, Indian Liverpool fans as well. At least on Twitter ...

90% of the time when I read an especially stupid tweet by a Liverpool fan – often calling City fans plastics – it's by a Bangalorian die hard red.


Yeah irritates me that last bit.
Or "emptyhad" from a cunt in Indian that's never seen the team he "supports" play live.


I've been to Anfield more times than 99% of all Liverpool fans on Twitter (2 times). Still they're giving it large.

As a foreign fan myself, I would never use attendance or atmosphere as a stick to beat other fans bases with.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:06 pm
by mr_nool
And back on topic, I don't really give a fuck about the other clubs in the CFG (apart for Girona, who i had a soft spot for before we even bought them), but I really like the Mumbai badge. I hope they won't change it. Wouldn't mind a polo with that badge on.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:10 pm
by Beefymcfc
Very good acquisition. The Group are targeting the emerging markets and although it doesn't look much now we will have huge influence on the way to these leagues making it big.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:32 am
by john@staustell
If they just build a new 100,000 stadium they can fill it by diverting a couple of those commuter trains

:D

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:53 am
by Nigels Tackle
mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:That might be a bit of a struggle seeing the whole subcontinent is rag central.


There are a lot of moronic, Indian Liverpool fans as well. At least on Twitter ...

90% of the time when I read an especially stupid tweet by a Liverpool fan – often calling City fans plastics – it's by a Bangalorian die hard red.


i don’t take any overseas fans opinions seriously ;-)

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:08 am
by mr_nool
Nigels Tackle wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
patrickblue wrote:That might be a bit of a struggle seeing the whole subcontinent is rag central.


There are a lot of moronic, Indian Liverpool fans as well. At least on Twitter ...

90% of the time when I read an especially stupid tweet by a Liverpool fan – often calling City fans plastics – it's by a Bangalorian die hard red.


i don’t take any overseas fans opinions seriously ;-)


You shouldn't! :D
We're all moronic plastics.

As I wrote above:

I've been to Anfield more times than 99% of all Liverpool fans on Twitter (2 times). Still they're giving it large.

As a foreign fan myself, I would never use attendance or atmosphere as a stick to beat other fans bases with.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:44 pm
by Clowncrete
A bit of background about Indian football.

The original Indian league system has the I-league as the top flight. The I-league contains most of the old, existing clubs. Some like Mohun Bagan are a century old and have huge local fan bases and "history". Unfortunately for a long period of time, grassroot football interest was limited to a few states with most of us plastics coming from big cities, which generally don't have I-league clubs or even second division clubs.

In 2014, with full backing of AIFF (the Indian FA), the richest guy in India (Ambani) created a MLS/IPL style franchise league, all with media hype and glamour. It's a closed league without any promotion/relegation or any relation with the original league system. Mumbai city fc was created back then as a franchise. There has been a long messy battle between the I-league and ISL since I-league still is the official league and gets Asian CL and Asian cup qualification since the last 5 years. It's only this year, that the AIFF decided to side with the ISL and make it the top flight but it's still a closed league. ISL's money and it's marketing are the reason why football has seen a boom in India lately but the I-league clubs are the original clubs and rightfully annoyed to be suddenly relegated to the second tier with no prospect of promotion. It's likely that there will be long legal battle about this, but ultimately the richer league will win, I think.

If you want to think of a parallel for this league mess, think of the ECB creating the "Hundred" instead of using the existing county cricket teams.

As for Mumbai city, it's great news. ISL clubs are not immune from going bankrupt. My own "local club" of sorts when down this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Pune_City. I doubt CFG will abandon any of it's clubs, so it makes it a lot more resilient against financial woes. The ground is tiny and shit though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Football_Arena . Mumbai city fc is also a middling team. Some of the other teams in the ISL have larger fan bases or simply better players/coaches.

Re: At Last - City club in India - Mumbai City

PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:13 pm
by Hutch's Shoulder
Clowncrete wrote:A bit of background about Indian football.

The original Indian league system has the I-league as the top flight. The I-league contains most of the old, existing clubs. Some like Mohun Bagan are a century old and have huge local fan bases and "history". Unfortunately for a long period of time, grassroot football interest was limited to a few states with most of us plastics coming from big cities, which generally don't have I-league clubs or even second division clubs.

In 2014, with full backing of AIFF (the Indian FA), the richest guy in India (Ambani) created a MLS/IPL style franchise league, all with media hype and glamour. It's a closed league without any promotion/relegation or any relation with the original league system. Mumbai city fc was created back then as a franchise. There has been a long messy battle between the I-league and ISL since I-league still is the official league and gets Asian CL and Asian cup qualification since the last 5 years. It's only this year, that the AIFF decided to side with the ISL and make it the top flight but it's still a closed league. ISL's money and it's marketing are the reason why football has seen a boom in India lately but the I-league clubs are the original clubs and rightfully annoyed to be suddenly relegated to the second tier with no prospect of promotion. It's likely that there will be long legal battle about this, but ultimately the richer league will win, I think.

If you want to think of a parallel for this league mess, think of the ECB creating the "Hundred" instead of using the existing county cricket teams.

As for Mumbai city, it's great news. ISL clubs are not immune from going bankrupt. My own "local club" of sorts when down this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Pune_City. I doubt CFG will abandon any of it's clubs, so it makes it a lot more resilient against financial woes. The ground is tiny and shit though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Football_Arena . Mumbai city fc is also a middling team. Some of the other teams in the ISL have larger fan bases or simply better players/coaches.


Thank you, that’s very informative. I guess your comments about Mumbai’s ground and players should probably be qualified by ‘at the moment’ - I would expect CFG to invest in both of the rules allow.

The Hundred is a very bad idea; in cricket I follow England and Derbyshire; I have no interest in the Trent Rockets, which merges Derbyshire with their two traditional rival counties, like making a combined team of City, rags and dippers! And what have rockets to do with the Trent ?