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finishing 21/22 - 22/23 update

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:36 pm
by Nigels Tackle
not improved i see

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:42 pm
by Mase
We need Kane

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:05 pm
by Nigels Tackle
shocking

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:12 pm
by gmercer1
Get Aguero on

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:14 pm
by Mase
gmercer1 wrote:Get Aguero on


Injured

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:20 pm
by gmercer1
Mase wrote:
gmercer1 wrote:Get Aguero on


Injured

Fuck!

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:24 pm
by Mase
gmercer1 wrote:
Mase wrote:
gmercer1 wrote:Get Aguero on


Injured

Fuck!


It’s alright, we’ve got Chris Greenacre on the bench. Young lad from the academy.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:24 pm
by sheblue
Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:05 pm
by nottsblue
Aguero scored our last goal.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:27 pm
by PeterParker
nottsblue wrote:Aguero scored our last goal.


We failed to score in our three last official games, lost all three 0-1.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:29 pm
by aaron bond
We urgently need a striker.

Our false 9 formation worked for long periods last season but you could see increasingly throughout the season that teams were working out how to play against us. It will not work this season.

We have to buy Kane. His price will have just gone up after Levy saw first hand how desperately we need him.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:43 pm
by branny
Sterling and Torres were shooting like they were playing in diving boots.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:14 am
by sheblue
branny wrote:Sterling and Torres were shooting like they were playing in diving boots.


In fairness to Torres he tried made some great runs but got no service.
I think we created one half chance for him in the whole game.

Sterling looked like he had a piano on his back.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:38 am
by branny
sheblue wrote:
branny wrote:Sterling and Torres were shooting like they were playing in diving boots.


In fairness to Torres he tried made some great runs but got no service.
I think we created one half chance for him in the whole game.

Sterling looked like he had a piano on his back.


I agree about Torres. His movement was decent but as you say, no service. Could that be as a result of playing so often without a recognised striker? Is it something the players are going to have to learn to do again?

Our shooting on the whole is abysmal. Too often, too many wind up to shoot and you end up with a daisy cutter that the keeper could throw his cap on. That's another area where Kane is better than what we have.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:49 am
by PeterParker
But anyone thought we solved the finishing issue?

Did we solve the left-back issue?
The striker issue?
The plan B issue?
The Sterling issue?
The Fern's replacement issue?

Any issue?

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:35 am
by Niall Quinns Discopants
sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:47 am
by Niall Quinns Discopants
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.


Funnily enough I checked and we've beaten XG every single season under Pep (ie scored more than goal expectancy was during the season). While we have beaten points expectancy and conceded expectancy three seasons out of five.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:48 am
by Nigels Tackle
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.


Funnily enough I checked and we've beaten XG every single season under Pep (ie scored more than goal expectancy was during the season). While we have beaten points expectancy and conceded expectancy three seasons out of five.


funnily enough, the stat only works in isolation. you can’t aggregate it over a season. you have to look at game by game. we should have been 2 up inside the first 20 at the weekend. the way we were suckerpunched was so predictable as it’s happened on at least 10 occasions under pep.

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:23 am
by Niall Quinns Discopants
Nigels Tackle wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.


Funnily enough I checked and we've beaten XG every single season under Pep (ie scored more than goal expectancy was during the season). While we have beaten points expectancy and conceded expectancy three seasons out of five.


funnily enough, the stat only works in isolation. you can’t aggregate it over a season. you have to look at game by game. we should have been 2 up inside the first 20 at the weekend. the way we were suckerpunched was so predictable as it’s happened on at least 10 occasions under pep.


It is most certainly looked over a season and suprisingly accurate most of the time (Liverpool's ridiculously lucky championship season aside). And that's one way how teams use it. For example last season if we went strictly by XG we'd have scored 77.72 goals, conceded 30.61 goals and had 83.38 points. In reality we scored 83 goals (5.28 goals more than expected), conceded 32 (1.39 goals more than expected) and had 86 points (2.62 points more than expected).

Re: finishing 21/22

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:24 am
by Nigels Tackle
think we may be close to fixing this issue… ;-)