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Postby Nigels Tackle » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:36 pm

not improved i see
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Mase » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:42 pm

We need Kane
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Nigels Tackle » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:05 pm

shocking
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby gmercer1 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:12 pm

Get Aguero on
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Mase » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:14 pm

gmercer1 wrote:Get Aguero on


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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby gmercer1 » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:20 pm

Mase wrote:
gmercer1 wrote:Get Aguero on


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Fuck!
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Mase » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:24 pm

gmercer1 wrote:
Mase wrote:
gmercer1 wrote:Get Aguero on


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Fuck!


It’s alright, we’ve got Chris Greenacre on the bench. Young lad from the academy.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby sheblue » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:24 pm

Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby nottsblue » Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:05 pm

Aguero scored our last goal.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby PeterParker » Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:27 pm

nottsblue wrote:Aguero scored our last goal.


We failed to score in our three last official games, lost all three 0-1.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby aaron bond » Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:29 pm

We urgently need a striker.

Our false 9 formation worked for long periods last season but you could see increasingly throughout the season that teams were working out how to play against us. It will not work this season.

We have to buy Kane. His price will have just gone up after Levy saw first hand how desperately we need him.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby branny » Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:43 pm

Sterling and Torres were shooting like they were playing in diving boots.
Balotelli......that's a brilliant finish.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby sheblue » Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:14 am

branny wrote:Sterling and Torres were shooting like they were playing in diving boots.


In fairness to Torres he tried made some great runs but got no service.
I think we created one half chance for him in the whole game.

Sterling looked like he had a piano on his back.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby branny » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:38 am

sheblue wrote:
branny wrote:Sterling and Torres were shooting like they were playing in diving boots.


In fairness to Torres he tried made some great runs but got no service.
I think we created one half chance for him in the whole game.

Sterling looked like he had a piano on his back.


I agree about Torres. His movement was decent but as you say, no service. Could that be as a result of playing so often without a recognised striker? Is it something the players are going to have to learn to do again?

Our shooting on the whole is abysmal. Too often, too many wind up to shoot and you end up with a daisy cutter that the keeper could throw his cap on. That's another area where Kane is better than what we have.
Balotelli......that's a brilliant finish.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby PeterParker » Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:49 am

But anyone thought we solved the finishing issue?

Did we solve the left-back issue?
The striker issue?
The plan B issue?
The Sterling issue?
The Fern's replacement issue?

Any issue?
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:35 am

sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.
Sometimes we're good and sometimes we're bad but when we're good, at least we're much better than we used to be and when we are bad we're just as bad as we always used to be, so that's got to be good hasn't it?


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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:47 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.


Funnily enough I checked and we've beaten XG every single season under Pep (ie scored more than goal expectancy was during the season). While we have beaten points expectancy and conceded expectancy three seasons out of five.
Sometimes we're good and sometimes we're bad but when we're good, at least we're much better than we used to be and when we are bad we're just as bad as we always used to be, so that's got to be good hasn't it?


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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Nigels Tackle » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:48 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
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sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.


Funnily enough I checked and we've beaten XG every single season under Pep (ie scored more than goal expectancy was during the season). While we have beaten points expectancy and conceded expectancy three seasons out of five.


funnily enough, the stat only works in isolation. you can’t aggregate it over a season. you have to look at game by game. we should have been 2 up inside the first 20 at the weekend. the way we were suckerpunched was so predictable as it’s happened on at least 10 occasions under pep.
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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:23 am

Nigels Tackle wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
sheblue wrote:Very few clear cut chances created.
Gundogan slowing and stalling the attack too much.


Funnily enough we created third most goal expectancy (XG) in the league on weekend. By that metrics we should've scored 2.11 goals and conceded 1.06 goals. Creating more XG than actually scoring goals always, always, always means that the finishing blows. Proving the fact that we need true striker or two.


Funnily enough I checked and we've beaten XG every single season under Pep (ie scored more than goal expectancy was during the season). While we have beaten points expectancy and conceded expectancy three seasons out of five.


funnily enough, the stat only works in isolation. you can’t aggregate it over a season. you have to look at game by game. we should have been 2 up inside the first 20 at the weekend. the way we were suckerpunched was so predictable as it’s happened on at least 10 occasions under pep.


It is most certainly looked over a season and suprisingly accurate most of the time (Liverpool's ridiculously lucky championship season aside). And that's one way how teams use it. For example last season if we went strictly by XG we'd have scored 77.72 goals, conceded 30.61 goals and had 83.38 points. In reality we scored 83 goals (5.28 goals more than expected), conceded 32 (1.39 goals more than expected) and had 86 points (2.62 points more than expected).
Sometimes we're good and sometimes we're bad but when we're good, at least we're much better than we used to be and when we are bad we're just as bad as we always used to be, so that's got to be good hasn't it?


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Re: finishing 21/22

Postby Nigels Tackle » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:24 am

think we may be close to fixing this issue… ;-)
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