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Are they getting it easier from the press and public than we did? Harder?

Are they a genuine title threat yet?

Do you think they've done a good job so far?

Yes. Eddie Howe is doing a great job. The players it has to be said are reborn. We share a City with the scum and the press hate us for it…..

dazby wrote:Are they getting it easier from the press and public than we did? Harder?

Remember that our owners don't have a reputation for dismembering journalists in embassies.

Also, I don't think we had it too bad in our first 2 seasons. I seem to remember journalists laughing along with us when the Tevez 'Welcome to Manchester' billboard went up. It was the third season, when we qualified for the CL to the detriment of the so-called (then-)'Big 4', that the vitriol started in earnest.

I agree, BiB.

We were seen as a bit of a joke until they found out how serious the club were and how much ability the people they brought in had. I suspect next season will be the one where the vitriol towards the geordies increases. They are improving noticeably.

I am actually enjoying seeing another of the old sly sports four getting their nose shoved out of the trough.

They are getting a free throw at present with the media. Im all for them joining us at the top table as it will be at the expense of one of the history boys. They will soon find that the cartel clubs dont want them there though despite Waffa looking to give england a fifth chumps league spot in an effort to appease the yanks and keep them at the trough. I like Howe but watch them upgrade him first chance they get

Interesting stuff, salford. Who do you think they would get to replace him? If they keep going as they are (big if I know), there will be a very small pool of managers who would actually improve them.

Tokyo Blue wrote:Interesting stuff, salford. Who do you think they would get to replace him? If they keep going as they are (big if I know), there will be a very small pool of managers who would actually improve them.

Klopp with unlimited dirty oil budget?

Tokyo Blue wrote:I agree, BiB.

We were seen as a bit of a joke until they found out how serious the club were and how much ability the people they brought in had. I suspect next season will be the one where the vitriol towards the geordies increases. They are improving noticeably.

I am actually enjoying seeing another of the old sly sports four getting their nose shoved out of the trough.

Another important perspective is the media's transition from 'Big 4' to 'Big 6'. This made it 'acceptable' and expected for some of the old cartel to miss out on CL football each season. Now the '4 teams for 4 places' mantra has gone, there's far more room for Newcastle at the head of the table. They may take some of the negative focus away from us, but it'll be nowhere near as bad as we had it in the period from making the CL (2010/11) to an anti-City (or anti-non-cartel) bias becoming 'institutionalized' by the 2014 FFP fine.

Their fans were part of the “OIL MONEY!!!” movement, so as far as I’m concerned they can get fucked. Hope they fall on their arse.

I think they will have a free pass.
If I am not mistaken, the saudi nation is behind BEIN? From my knowledge, our club does not have any media connection, so I think Newcastle will get it better than us.

I don't mind them, even if they will become a title threat. It means more problems for the scouse/red shite.

Tokyo Blue wrote:Interesting stuff, salford. Who do you think they would get to replace him? If they keep going as they are (big if I know), there will be a very small pool of managers who would actually improve them.

I see him getting to a Mark Hughes situation once the squad starts to get world wide stars in there? Agree that there is a small group of managers who maybe could get more out of the current squad - possibly even non existant given where Newcastle is located...
I'd also say its between him and Potter for the england job once Southgate fucks off

PeterParker wrote:I think they will have a free pass.
If I am not mistaken, the saudi nation is behind BEIN? From my knowledge, our club does not have any media connection, so I think Newcastle will get it better than us.

I don't mind them, even if they will become a title threat. It means more problems for the scouse/red shite.

beIN is a spin-off of Al Jazeera, so Qatari. There's no love lost between them and the Saudis.

Chelsea were the first club to gatecrash the PL trough. A new ownership model of one wealthy owner willing to invest. Still enough in the trough to go around.
City were next. A new ownership model of 'country' ownership willing to invest. They were to late when they tried to close the door to City. Big problem, Chelsea and City now blocking one of Liv, MU, Arsenal or Spurs from the trough.
In parallel it became obvious the USA ownership model could not compete. But it also highlighted the anti-football flaws of that model: closed shop, cartel, profits to owners, increase value for future sale, limited reinvestment, etc...
Then Newcastle enter the stage with 'country' ownership model. Big problem, 7 clubs at the trough.
Since the WC, the negativity around Qatar has subsided. Chelsea's insane spending has not been criticized, Newcastle are getting a free ride, Liv and MU are for sale.
FSG and Glazers will sell, at huge profits, leaving both clubs in a bad state, an uncompetitive place, with the USA model totally exposed as anti-football. But what model will replace it? A Chelsea investment fund model (different to FSG & Glazers), a wealthy owner model like Radcliffe, (both will want a return on investment) or a 'country' model which is not driven by profits (the return is PR), something else?
IMO Newcastle and Chelsea will get a free ride until the ownership model of MU and Liv is sorted.
It is conceivable that Qatar will invest in Liv or MU or Spurs. Then anything that does not align with Liv & MU ownership model will be attacked because there is not enough room at the trough for seven and two places are already reserved because of their global reach - Liv & MU.

Also saw on rhe beeb earlier that the two in charge at palace were thinking of taking their money to invest with the glazers at the swamp to keep the glazers in charge so we live in hope

Dimples wrote:Chelsea were the first club to gatecrash the PL trough. A new ownership model of one wealthy owner willing to invest. Still enough in the trough to go around.
City were next. A new ownership model of 'country' ownership willing to invest. They were to late when they tried to close the door to City. Big problem, Chelsea and City now blocking one of Liv, MU, Arsenal or Spurs from the trough.

Before Abramovich took over at Chelsea, the last time Spurs got into Europe through their league position was the 1982/83 season. They weren't even part of the equation until the 'Big 6' was invented.

BlueinBosnia wrote:

PeterParker wrote:I think they will have a free pass.
If I am not mistaken, the saudi nation is behind BEIN? From my knowledge, our club does not have any media connection, so I think Newcastle will get it better than us.

I don't mind them, even if they will become a title threat. It means more problems for the scouse/red shite.

beIN is a spin-off of Al Jazeera, so Qatari. There's no love lost between them and the Saudis.

Cheers BIB.

BlueinBosnia wrote:

Dimples wrote:Chelsea were the first club to gatecrash the PL trough. A new ownership model of one wealthy owner willing to invest. Still enough in the trough to go around.
City were next. A new ownership model of 'country' ownership willing to invest. They were to late when they tried to close the door to City. Big problem, Chelsea and City now blocking one of Liv, MU, Arsenal or Spurs from the trough.

Before Abramovich took over at Chelsea, the last time Spurs got into Europe through their league position was the 1982/83 season. They weren't even part of the equation until the 'Big 6' was invented.

True.
Scary that, the propaganda has worked on me!

I think BIB's right.
We never got much shit until we became a threat, TBH, we got a lot more flack over the dodgy Thai buying us the season before than we did for a couple of seasons under Abu Dhabi.
As soon as Newcastle start being a threat to the red shites, then they'll start getting it.
And as has been mentioned, we share a city with the media darlings, so there's always going to be shit flying from that direction.

Newcastle have done a decent job for me. They are not proper title contenders and probably won't be for at least 2-3 seasons. But they are coming off the tenure of Steve Bruce. So they had a lot of work to do!

And there is an established hierarchy now in the PL of six 'big clubs'. So to be challenging that with Howe only having been there just over a year is a very decent effort. I doubt they will keep up top 4 in the remainder of the season but next season, if they have a good window in the summer, they could easily be a proper threat to the top 6, meaning an established big club could even miss out on the Europa League!

I think like other posters have commented, they are the moment not getting much grief. Ratboy last year tried to introduce the line of sportswashing but it didn't gain much traction. Whether this was because of the impending World Cup I don't know. Could have been. And with the rags and dippers both either up for sale or out for new investment and with the likelihood this may come from the Middle East, I suspect this line of denigration may not be too vociferous. Very much the opposite of what we have had to endure.

I remember when we were first took over and immediately showed our intent with the signing of Robinho, the media and rags in particular were very dismissive. Saying it won't last. That we are just a plaything for a bored Arab and they will disappear as quickly as they appeared. When it became apparent a couple of years later following the FA Cup win that actually, in fact, our owners weren't going to disappear any time soon and were here for the long haul, their narrative changed.

It's unfair they moaned. It's not a level playing field. And so the genesis of FFP was initiated. It was too late. We had unceremoniously gatecrashed the party. We had upset the trough the old Sky4 had been feeding at unimpeded for years. So the hate truly began in earnest. And so far we have simply brushed it off. And dominated the domestic game. So they bleated on about the lack of success in Europe. And when we win that they will have nothing. Except the sting of copious amounts of bitter tears.

Will Newcastle follow a similar path? I guess time will tell. I suspect our journey has paved the way for others to have it slightly easier.

But good luck to them. Any side that displaces the rags or dippers or Chelsea from their perch has my backing

nottsblue wrote:Newcastle have done a decent job for me. They are not proper title contenders and probably won't be for at least 2-3 seasons. But they are coming off the tenure of Steve Bruce. So they had a lot of work to do!

And there is an established hierarchy now in the PL of six 'big clubs'. So to be challenging that with Howe only having been there just over a year is a very decent effort. I doubt they will keep up top 4 in the remainder of the season but next season, if they have a good window in the summer, they could easily be a proper threat to the top 6, meaning an established big club could even miss out on the Europa League!

I think like other posters have commented, they are the moment not getting much grief. Ratboy last year tried to introduce the line of sportswashing but it didn't gain much traction. Whether this was because of the impending World Cup I don't know. Could have been. And with the rags and dippers both either up for sale or out for new investment and with the likelihood this may come from the Middle East, I suspect this line of denigration may not be too vociferous. Very much the opposite of what we have had to endure.

I remember when we were first took over and immediately showed our intent with the signing of Robinho, the media and rags in particular were very dismissive. Saying it won't last. That we are just a plaything for a bored Arab and they will disappear as quickly as they appeared. When it became apparent a couple of years later following the FA Cup win that actually, in fact, our owners weren't going to disappear any time soon and were here for the long haul, their narrative changed.

It's unfair they moaned. It's not a level playing field. And so the genesis of FFP was initiated. It was too late. We had unceremoniously gatecrashed the party. We had upset the trough the old Sky4 had been feeding at unimpeded for years. So the hate truly began in earnest. And so far we have simply brushed it off. And dominated the domestic game. So they bleated on about the lack of success in Europe. And when we win that they will have nothing. Except the sting of copious amounts of bitter tears.

Will Newcastle follow a similar path? I guess time will tell. I suspect our journey has paved the way for others to have it slightly easier.

But good luck to them. Any side that displaces the rags or dippers or Chelsea from their perch has my backing

“Money doesn’t buy success” was the line that was used when we were taken over. It quickly changed to “they’ve bought success” when we started winning things.