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Re: sterling

Postby PrezIke » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 pm

Watch on youtube.com


Watch the part where they refer to how Sterling was updroppable and how that made it hard for Sane.

So this is a rubbish player who can't finish.

Sterling, who AGAIN HAS FLAWS, but no let's just act like he's done nothing for us and is expendable.

Sane had problems in terms of approach to the game where he didn't even make the German squad in 2018.

Yet, we loved what he showed and offered, but we know he was never consistent and would drift in and out of games and was poor with work rate and tracking back.

Are we not a club in England? Isn't that a staple of culture? Work hard or piss off?

Do you ever see Sterling not work hard? Really Ever? This is what Pep saw too. Talent is not enough.

Sane may become brilliant but I think Raz has been better than he over the years.

Sad we don't appreciate it enough, but I know we're upset. We've been poor, but I don't think it is he that is most to blame by any stretch of imagination.
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Re: sterling

Postby PrezIke » Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:00 am

Saul Goodman wrote:Sure, Sane has attitude problems but i believe that was down to a personality clash with Pep.
If Pep has embraced him it couldve been different. There were people on here saying hes a future Balon d'Or winner so Im not alone in my high praise of Sane. If I recall, according to the media (yes, I know), we didn't offer Sane enligh money to reward him to stay. Like I said above, if we'd valued him he wouldve stayed. That's how I think about it.

And Cancelo is terrible. He had a good attacking game today on the left but hes a defender. And hes not good at it. Hes like a Brazilian fullback or his Portuguese counterpart (Gueirrero). They care way more about attacking than defending and only do it begrudgingly—if at all. Hes only slightly better than Mendy in that department. Lets not forget Real targeted him in the CL and their goal and best chances were because of him. He was at fault for the goal today as well.

His performance against Arsenal was shameful. He would walk around and throw his hands in the air like a child. Zero effort in defense. People will claim its about his position in that match but Ive seen Bernardo defend better than Cancelo and he is clearly not a fullback.
My opinion is that Cancelo is nowhere near good enough. I said the same about Mahrez two seasons ago and now everyone wants him out because hes lazy, a one trick pony, and slows the play down.


Respect, but do you really think it's just about personality problems with Pep as you say?

Why was he left out of the German squad?

Read my last post, but I do you genuinely believe what you are writing here? Sincerely.

You also know he injured his ACL. You know that's the worst knee injury, and what do you know, he's injured it again a month ago.

Sane has loads of talent and it may be come to fruition but we don't know yet and at his age we should see more IMHO.

I loved him but I did always feel he didn't live up to expectations.

I'd be fair and say nor did Sterling, but he improved far more than Sane did and became a key player whilst under heavy pressure from the English media and hoards of haters from Liverpool which Sane never had to experience.

THat is resilience and why I back Sterling all day to be better than Sane. He has the attitude that is needed even if not technically as good with shooting, with dribbling, teamwork, work rate, and chance creation he is fantastic.

Has Sterling's shooting improved? Massively? Is he the best? No.

Put Sterling along side strong finishers and we know his value.

He played striker today, and can be a good false nine if others finish. They didn't and now he's dross.
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Re: sterling

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:10 am

Top post above. Even Sergio has missed chances, Zaaa sadly ripped in his Last2 seasons Ferns caught out time and time again due to his legs going and amazing service FUCK ALL said by the moaning cunts favourite club, some need to get a grip. To suggesti we have not been after a striker!!! It’s like listening to a spoilt fucking brat, the hate for Pep
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:11 am

If we were City from two decades ago, Sterling's stats would have been fucking fantastic.
But we are not.

This is the whole point. We want the Champions League, as much as we hate that competition, but we can't do it when you are (Sterling) in front of an open net you put it over like in a fucking nightmare.
It comes all to our mentality as fans also.

You can't be the very best out there when our captain (fuck knows why he is the choice) misses EVERY one on one in a critical moment when he needs to be the one that buries it.

Accept that, but don't moan then that we are shite.
As spastics as we were yesterday, Sterling had two chances to finish everything and it could have been 1-3 instead of 1-1.

We fail to see the big picture here.
Really, we are not in Kansas anymore.
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Re: sterling

Postby zuricity » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:41 am

PrezIke wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:
PrezIke wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:Shouldve been sold instead of Sane


Dude, I want to be fair, really, but some of your analysis lately is hard to get. I thought you were smarter than this hyperbolic, reactionary silliness.

This is total fantasy.

None of it is reactionary. I've been saying this for over a year. Sane will be a FAR better player. Yes, Sterling has improved his goal numbers but a lot of those are down to Pep's system and arriving at the back post for an easy tap in. He has done nothing to improve his one on one play, his decision making on counter attacks, and his decision making in the box where he often delays way too much due to overthinking. Its the same shit every year. Sane is a far better player and was a more dangerous weapon in this side and not only because of his pace (Sterling is quick too).

I thought you were one of the more level-headed posters on here too. Yet, you see something you dont understand and/or agree with and you lash out. Its okay. Not everyone has the intelligence and maturity to deal with difference of opinions. I dont hold it against you. Its all good.


I hear you, and I'm reacting because the statements I'm reading seem to be missing the "balance" as you state. That's the reason.

For example, was it realistic to sell Sterling and keep Sane? you know we offered Sane a contract and he didn't take it?

Or that Sterling's value also comes from being is a HG player when we know we usually need them to make squad requirements for CL and the PL.

That's what I don't get. Doesn't all this have to be included in such a take? Where is that? Honestly. I'm asking.

Also, that Cancelo is "Trash" yet he has shown qualities. Yes, he has flaws, but this binary way of thinking is my problem.

It's the overly strong "hot take" statements I always have a problem with, hence my reaction.

We can disagree on Sterling, and I do think there are issues, but Sane also has his downsides that you surely can't ignore but I don't see that listed here.


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Re: sterling

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:58 am

Saul Goodman wrote:My opinion is that Cancelo is nowhere near good enough..

Crap ; he was one of our better players yesterday.
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Re: sterling

Postby Nigels Tackle » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:32 am

RodneyRodney wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:My opinion is that Cancelo is nowhere near good enough..

Crap ; he was one of our better players yesterday.


...we were crap yesterday.
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Re: sterling

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:43 am

Nigels Tackle wrote:
RodneyRodney wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:My opinion is that Cancelo is nowhere near good enough..

Crap ; he was one of our better players yesterday.


...we were crap yesterday.


Foden from 10 yards behind Cancelo ran past him stopped the counter twice. I see him as a winger, defending, in this league 8s not for joggers like him, talented yes but just look at Foden he is embarrassing some with his desire p.
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Re: sterling

Postby stevefromdonny » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:54 am

I think whats its worth is, sterling gets a 1-1 and he overthinks the situation, does he trie to go around the goalie, does he shoot, does he hope some1 else is up there with him to pass to, all those things going around his head and then he fails on all fronts, he is fast enough to round the goalie he should be quick to shoot and as nobody is up there with him he needs to do 1 or the other, so I think he overthinks it all the time, but when he has a few seconds to do something he scores or passes to some1 to score
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Re: sterling

Postby zuricity » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:56 am

stevefromdonny wrote:I think whats its worth is, sterling gets a 1-1 and he overthinks the situation, does he trie to go around the goalie, does he shoot, does he hope some1 else is up there with him to pass to, all those things going around his head and then he fails on all fronts, he is fast enough to round the goalie he should be quick to shoot and as nobody is up there with him he needs to do 1 or the other, so I think he overthinks it all the time, but when he has a few seconds to do something he scores or passes to some1 to score


This is the difference between Razza and Kun. Kun doesn't think in one on ones- he can't think. Everything kun does is instinctive . He learned his craft playing on the streets . The chance Razza had yesterday, kun would have dummied , gone around the goalia and used his left foot . That is his instinctive play. Razza mostly tries to avoid using his left foot .
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Re: sterling

Postby nottsblue » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:06 pm

Sterling should be sold? The guy who has scored over 80 goals in the last three years from a predominantly wide left position?

Yes, he isn’t a striker in the number 9 sense. But it isn’t his fault he is asked to lead the line because our leaders consider the two injury prone strikers we have to be sufficient to compete in four competitions playing in excess of 50 or even 55 games per season. If we had proper cover then he could get on with his own role, rather than having to cover. And let’s be honest, a forward is the most difficult position to deputise for.

Yes, he has his faults. Who doesn’t? His finishing when one on one is woeful. But again, is he being properly coached? Who is our forward coach? There seems to be loads of Peps boys sat around him on the bench. Who is coaching him in the art of finishing these types of chances? Because of his pace and the vision of our midfield, it is an occurrence that happens with increasing regularity.

His finishing in general has improved hugely, and as attested earlier, 80 goals from wide left is second to none in the PL over the last three years. He is rarely injured, having made 250 appearances for us in 5 years and doesn’t hide. His work ethic is decent, though I personally feel he could help out his left back a little bit more given that’s been a problem area for us for a while now.

Never gonna be a ballon d’or winner. Never gonna be a number 9. Never gonna have the ball control or first touch that others in the side have. But with respect to the OP, selling him IMO would be a big error because of the aforementioned qualities he brings to the side
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Re: sterling

Postby Dubciteh » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:18 pm

Just remembered sterling with one on one towards end of leeds game, remarkably managed to not even get a shot off which is a skill in itself.....
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Re: sterling

Postby Mase » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:06 pm

I’ve said it before, when the team is playing well and there’s a few “superstars” in the team and the spotlight isn’t on Raza he’s class. The 100 point season there was Kev, Silva, Aguero, Sanè all playing well - it took the spotlight of Sterling and he played class.

But games like yesterday where Sergio pretends to be injured again, and Kev’s not playing, Mahrez is absolutely wank, Bern is off - the spotlight is on Sterling to lead us and he bottles it. He’s not a leader. Not sure why he’s been given the captaincy to be honest.

Once we start playing well as a team he’ll play well individually.
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Re: sterling

Postby littlebig » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:07 pm

Sterling is one of our best players. Has his faults yes, and should be dropped more but to sell him would be madness. Won’t happen anyway thankfully. We need to hold on to quality players
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Re: sterling

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:26 pm

littlebig wrote:Sterling is one of our best players. Has his faults yes, and should be dropped more but to sell him would be madness. Won’t happen anyway thankfully. We need to hold on to quality players


Its baldies fault for relying on him to score and when he misses so many chances hes slagged off for it...................he should never ever be relied upon to win us important games....any games actually...that's a proper strikers job.

100% baldies fault
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Re: sterling

Postby patrickblue » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:39 pm

littlebig wrote:Sterling is one of our best players. Has his faults yes, and should be dropped more but to sell him would be madness. Won’t happen anyway thankfully. We need to hold on to quality players


His main fault is that when he has time to think he invariably fucks it up.
If he played on instinct he'd be fine.
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Re: sterling

Postby patrickblue » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:41 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
littlebig wrote:Sterling is one of our best players. Has his faults yes, and should be dropped more but to sell him would be madness. Won’t happen anyway thankfully. We need to hold on to quality players


Its baldies fault for relying on him to score and when he misses so many chances hes slagged off for it...................he should never ever be relied upon to win us important games....any games actually...that's a proper strikers job.

100% baldies fault


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Re: sterling

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:19 pm

6 and 2 assists in 640 minutes of football so far this season.

Oh and a penalty won which got us back into the Porto game, so you could say 9 goal involvements. A goal contribution every 70 minutes or thereabouts.
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Re: sterling

Postby RodneyRodney » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:48 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:6 and 2 assists in 640 minutes of football so far this season.

Oh and a penalty won which got us back into the Porto game, so you could say 9 goal involvements. A goal contribution every 70 minutes or thereabouts.

Looked noticeably happier & more productive on the RIGHT v Marseille; some super moments.
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Re: sterling

Postby Mase » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:51 pm

RodneyRodney wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:6 and 2 assists in 640 minutes of football so far this season.

Oh and a penalty won which got us back into the Porto game, so you could say 9 goal involvements. A goal contribution every 70 minutes or thereabouts.

Looked noticeably happier & more productive on the RIGHT v Marseille; some super moments.


He’s better on the right. He was forced to move to the left when Mahrez came.
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