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Re: Football Media

Postby Mase » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:17 pm

london blue 2 wrote:The thing with the dippers is, I don't think I've seen a team who ride the wave of euphoria like they do. And atm that wave is huge. It does worry me that they could carry on the run. Even when they play crap they're getting decisions and scraping wins. I don't like it.


Exactly. When the rags were winning everything their team was actually the best. We were the best every time we’ve won anything. This Liverpool team isn’t great, definitely not the best team in the league, but they ride their luck very well. That and other teams bottling it against them.
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Re: Football Media

Postby PeterParker » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:20 pm

It isn't funny how star players like Coutinho and Wijnaldum became injury-prone flops after leaving?
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:59 pm

"April is the cruellest month" T S Eliot

Atletico-Liverpool-Atletico-Liverpool: April will tell us what City are made of
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If Manchester City’s trip to Southampton in the FA Cup was an opportunity for the watching world to gauge how well Pep Guardiola’s side are playing at the moment, and how prepared they are to deal with the big push in April, then there was plenty to mull over.

A 4-1 win to progress to the semi-finals is not to be sniffed at, especially against a team that made life extremely difficult, just as they did in two Premier League games this season, but there was quite a bit not to like as well.

Guardiola said his side “forgot to play” at times, an assessment he has not made since the 2019-20 season when they finished behind Liverpool in the table, and when Kevin De Bruyne was handed the opportunity to provide a positive assessment of a job well done, he could not help but highlight the negatives.

“I think the first 20 minutes and the last half hour we did well. In between, we made too many stupid mistakes,” he said, as blunt as ever.

And now we know that City’s post-international-break run has just got harder. Their reward for overcoming their issues against Southampton is a meeting with Liverpool at Wembley, and not just that: the game comes a week after they play Jurgen Klopp’s team at the Etihad Stadium, and a few days after their second leg against Atletico Madrid.

So after their trip to Burnley in a fortnight, it’s Atletico-Liverpool-Atletico-Liverpool. As daunting a run as you are likely to find and one that goes way beyond the complexity of the matches themselves: with all four games coming within 12 days, Guardiola will have to keep his players fresh and firing, knowing when to take them out and when to put them in.

But who? And when? Which game can you afford to gamble? None of them, really, but they will have to.
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It makes it fascinating, especially as Liverpool will have similar headaches. Benfica may not cause them too many problems but Klopp will need to make sure they do the job while keeping an eye on the double-header against City.

Beyond those games, Liverpool welcome Manchester United and Everton to Anfield. Neither of those sides are in the best of form, but they are big matches that demand energy and focus, and they come on the back of a four-game run that may have pushed them to the limit mentally and physically.

Can City or Liverpool win all of those games? They are capable of that. But all in a row, with enough energy to handle each challenge? It makes things much, much tougher. And what of the defeats and draws? Who will be top of the league? Will they be out of Europe? Who is still on for a treble/quadruple?

That is the beauty of what we are about to witness.

So where are City at right now? Since drawing 1-1 at St Mary’s almost two months ago, they have lost to Tottenham Hotspur, played poorly against Everton but won and played well at Crystal Palace and drawn, with various other highs and lows in between.

Are they missing a striker or not? Are they tiring? Are certain players struggling for form?

The striker debate will never be settled until the trophies are counted, it’s as simple as that. If City win the league or Champions League, there will be few complaints. Even fewer if they win both. They would probably be better off with one, yeah, but they have hardly struggled without one for the past 18 months and there is a case to be made that they are better. Let that be left for another day.

They can’t be tiring, for the simple reason that their sports science programme surely would not let them. Maybe they will be in a month, but that is what they are geared towards.

Are players struggling for form? Possibly. Joao Cancelo was guilty of giving the ball away carelessly several times on Sunday, going against Guardiola’s mantra of patience. He was forcing the issue and seeing Southampton gobble up the loose ball and drive at his defensive colleagues. Do that against Liverpool and you are in trouble.

That was the kind of thing that got Cancelo taken out of Guardiola’s line-up for the Champions League semi-final second leg and the final, but the kind of thing he had cut out this season as he has taken his game to the next level.

He will have to control that in those crunch games coming up, but it would be harsh to single him out. One of those “stupid mistakes” De Bruyne talked about was how City rushed in possession before half-time, with Zack Steffen throwing the ball to Rodri, and Rodri feeding Cancelo again, in the same areas he had been caught all half.

“We should just play it out,” De Bruyne said. “There are 30 seconds to go and we made a mistake.”

They were all guilty of it for large spells, and 4-1 flattered them.

There is a lot to be said for seeing out the rough patches and the energetic Southampton attacks and winning comfortably, though. This kind of performance stretched out over four or five of those big games might not be the best idea, but a little bit of Phil Foden and Riyad Mahrez’s clinical finishing could go a long way when the margins are finer.


They were left on the bench, perhaps a hint at who Guardiola will turn to in April. So too Bernardo Silva, presumably to manage their minutes. The kind of gamble that needs to be taken at this point of the season even in a knock-out game.

City will surely need his legs and creativity in midfield, given they seemed to struggle as a result of him being moved further forward against Spurs and Everton.

Maybe Ruben Dias could make a telling contribution on his return, especially with Walker still banned for the first leg against Atletico. Could Ederson play at Wembley instead of Steffen, who made some very good saves (perhaps better ones than Ederson makes) but looked far more flappable?

And what did it say that Southampton set up exactly the same way as in the two league draws and still caused City the same problems? If Atletico or Liverpool get the better of City one week, will Guardiola and his players find the answers the next?

The Southampton game was never going to provide all the answers, and it may have even provided a few more questions, but we will soon find out what City — and Liverpool, for that matter — are made of.
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Re: Football Media

Postby dave watson's perm » Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:52 pm

"If Atletico or Liverpool get the better of City one week, will Guardiola and his players find the answers the next?"

Hoepfully, it won't be a carbon copy of the Chelsea saga last season
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Re: Football Media

Postby john68 » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:32 am

PeterParker wrote:What I don't understand is why are we so confident they will fuck up or slip (pun intended)?

They are a team that has a lot of media & FA Support, also a great schedule & history of teams bending over in key moments. Don't want to start with the dopey agenda, but all in all, they have momentum and a big chance, while we went for the similar thing with everything against us. Everything is set for the to succede.

Add to that, we really are super shaky at the moment, an accident waiting to happen.
So, really, where is the confidence coming from?


Thanks for letting me know how bad things are at City Peter. To be honest, I hadn't noticed.
Maybe I should stop believing that the table shows us sitting ahead of the rest at the top and we are still competing for the FA Cup and the CL.

I would have hated to be sat next to you at Maine Road when Alan Ball was in charge and our next 2 fixtures were at Anfield...How many goals against in the same week?

In case you haven't noticed, these are the best days days that any set of City fans have ever known in the whole of our history. I would expect to seen posts as dismal and disparaging about City on red caff or in some agenda ridden gutter sport's media outlet.

Is there anything you actually like about City?
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Re: Football Media

Postby PeterParker » Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:41 am

john68 wrote:
PeterParker wrote:What I don't understand is why are we so confident they will fuck up or slip (pun intended)?

They are a team that has a lot of media & FA Support, also a great schedule & history of teams bending over in key moments. Don't want to start with the dopey agenda, but all in all, they have momentum and a big chance, while we went for the similar thing with everything against us. Everything is set for the to succede.

Add to that, we really are super shaky at the moment, an accident waiting to happen.
So, really, where is the confidence coming from?


Thanks for letting me know how bad things are at City Peter. To be honest, I hadn't noticed.
Maybe I should stop believing that the table shows us sitting ahead of the rest at the top and we are still competing for the FA Cup and the CL.

I would have hated to be sat next to you at Maine Road when Alan Ball was in charge and our next 2 fixtures were at Anfield...How many goals against in the same week?

In case you haven't noticed, these are the best days days that any set of City fans have ever known in the whole of our history. I would expect to seen posts as dismal and disparaging about City on red caff or in some agenda ridden gutter sport's media outlet.

Is there anything you actually like about City?


John, you need to stop, pal.
I understand, you think I see only the negative part, your opinion, you are entitled to, but I have no idea why Alan Ball and the best days have to do with the fact they are just one point behind us and have momentum, media support and coming for our ass, while we look, as said, not our best, to put it nicely.

Everyone has their history with City, some from Maine Road, some from Kilimanjaro, it's not the point.
The point is the above.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dimples » Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:43 pm

PeterParker wrote:
john68 wrote:
PeterParker wrote:What I don't understand is why are we so confident they will fuck up or slip (pun intended)?


I am confident because of the betting odds on offer.
City are favorites for all three competitions, this despite the Dippers having a huge global following who will have placed bets.
Therefore, IMO the odds reflect a real world non-emotive view of the outcomes skewed by bets from a massive fan base i.e. shortening Liverpool's odds.

PL: City 4/9 Liverpool 13/8
CL: City 21/10 Liverpool 5/2
FA Cup: City 18/11 Liverpool 5/2

As a fan I am (reasonably) confident for several reasons..
I agree with Peter, everything is going the Dippers way. Off the pitch momentum, good will, media, hype, var, etc...
On the pitch they are not conceding goals, they are scoring goals and are winning games.

On the other hand, despite what the media say, the Dipper's excellent results do not reflect their play. They are riding their luck.
They are giving up chances, despite a lot of clean sheets. Teams are not putting those chances away and Alisson is saving one on ones.
For ex, Forest should have scored just before Dippers did - but they did not, like Arsenal, like most other teams - they missed.
Dippers goal could easily have been called off side and Forest could have got a penalty. VAR could easily have given both decisions to Forest.
Liverpool's FA cup performance was as patchy as our first half against Southampton but that has been glossed over by the media.
If Liverpool's luck holds they will clean up but it is unlikely to do so. Everything does not go your own way all the time.

We have issues of our own.
We are dropping points, do not have a clinical finisher, have no CF focal point and have everything working against us - media, var, etc...
We are not playing at the level we were playing at last year, we are not at our best, far from it.
BUT we have been there before and come through it. Pep has been there before and come through it.
We are a better footballing side than the Dipper's so I back us to beat them in the PL and the FA Cup.

So the Dipper dream is riding on two matches in April. Neither match is at Anfield and we are the opposition in both matches.
(The CL is only at the QF stage so a long way to go yet).
Both matches could go either way but I think we have the edge.

BTW. Chelsea are no mugs and will have a big shout on where the CL and FA cup end up.
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Re: Football Media

Postby salford city » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:35 am

It will all end in tears for scouse. That high line will be exposed against us. Don't let rhe media hype fool you, they are not a patch on us and will fall off once we put them away. Not too mithered about the FA cup would rather we concentrated on the chumps league but i doubt Pep will see it that way so the treble is definitely on.
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Re: Football Media

Postby patrickblue » Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:32 am

I'm with John and Salford on this. Apart from the fact we are a better team, the reason an implosion is forecast for dipper is purely the law of averages.
Implosion is too strong a word, but they'll certainly have a blip before this is all over. It happens to all teams,
But we've had ours.
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Re: Football Media

Postby City64 » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:24 pm

John speaking sense in eloquent fashion again . Top poster !
Not really here

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Re: Football Media

Postby City64 » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:25 pm

patrickblue wrote:I'm with John and Salford on this. Apart from the fact we are a better team, the reason an implosion is forecast for dipper is purely the law of averages.
Implosion is too strong a word, but they'll certainly have a blip before this is all over. It happens to all teams,
But we've had ours.

It’s always the dippers the year , they actually believe they will win the quadruple this season…….
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Re: Football Media

Postby john68 » Fri Mar 25, 2022 12:49 pm

Peter, You seem to miss the point mate.

In almost every thread on here, you seem to have a negative City view. This player or that player is heavily criticised, our form to comes under heavy criticism.
You never seem to balance that criticism with any celebration of what City really have and are delivering. And there is a significant difference between that negative criticism and reasoned debate.

We are top of the Prem......reality!!!!!
We are in the later stages of the CL......Fact.
We are in the later stages of the FA Cup......also a fact.
What the fuck is there to be negativve about?

City are playing some of the most cutlured football ever seen in the English top division and have done for a number of years. We have won trophy after trophy, broken record after record and there is no reason to think that is likely to change in the future.
Our Academy is by far the best in the country and last season we won the various leagues at all age groups.
We have a bunch of kids that are on the verge of breaking through to the 1st team and are making a huge profit from those kids who don't or won't make our 1st team.
Currently we are in for a deal that could bring one of the considered elite of the World's goal scorers.

Financially, we are top of the Deloitte's Rich List and have no debt.

All of that is beyond my wildest dreams, beyond what I ever expected to see at City.
CITY ARE BEYOND THE DREAM.
THAT MY FRIEND IS A CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION, JUBILATION, POSITIVITY, JOY, HAPPINESS...not some nit picking negativity that seems to exude from your general posts.

Take stock mate and enjoy what you are experiencing in the now.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Hazy2 » Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:51 pm

john68 wrote:Peter, You seem to miss the point mate.

In almost every thread on here, you seem to have a negative City view. This player or that player is heavily criticised, our form to comes under heavy criticism.
You never seem to balance that criticism with any celebration of what City really have and are delivering. And there is a significant difference between that negative criticism and reasoned debate.

We are top of the Prem......reality!!!!!
We are in the later stages of the CL......Fact.
We are in the later stages of the FA Cup......also a fact.
What the fuck is there to be negativve about?

City are playing some of the most cutlured football ever seen in the English top division and have done for a number of years. We have won trophy after trophy, broken record after record and there is no reason to think that is likely to change in the future.
Our Academy is by far the best in the country and last season we won the various leagues at all age groups.
We have a bunch of kids that are on the verge of breaking through to the 1st team and are making a huge profit from those kids who don't or won't make our 1st team.
Currently we are in for a deal that could bring one of the considered elite of the World's goal scorers.

Financially, we are top of the Deloitte's Rich List and have no debt.

All of that is beyond my wildest dreams, beyond what I ever expected to see at City.
CITY ARE BEYOND THE DREAM.
THAT MY FRIEND IS A CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION, JUBILATION, POSITIVITY, JOY, HAPPINESS...not some nit picking negativity that seems to exude from your general posts.

Take stock mate and enjoy what you are experiencing in the now.


Now now John. The Miserable City Fan Club lives on, nothing will ever change for some. 4-1 v the scum and still cannot stay and show the love. They say they are fans ! Moaning at what ? I just do not get it.pack in and do one I say.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Mase » Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:54 pm

Hazy2 wrote:Now now John. The Miserable City Fan Club lives on, nothing will ever change for some. 4-1 v the scum and still cannot stay and show the love. They say they are fans ! Moaning at what ? I just do not get it.pack in and do one I say.


Wow Hazy. That’s probably the most Rag-like post I’ve ever seen on here. Telling your own fans what they can and can’t do, and if it doesn’t side with your view then they should stop supporting City?

Like I say..wow!
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Re: Football Media

Postby PeterParker » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:02 pm

john68 wrote:Peter, You seem to miss the point mate.

In almost every thread on here, you seem to have a negative City view. This player or that player is heavily criticised, our form to comes under heavy criticism.
You never seem to balance that criticism with any celebration of what City really have and are delivering. And there is a significant difference between that negative criticism and reasoned debate.

We are top of the Prem......reality!!!!!
We are in the later stages of the CL......Fact.
We are in the later stages of the FA Cup......also a fact.
What the fuck is there to be negativve about?

City are playing some of the most cutlured football ever seen in the English top division and have done for a number of years. We have won trophy after trophy, broken record after record and there is no reason to think that is likely to change in the future.
Our Academy is by far the best in the country and last season we won the various leagues at all age groups.
We have a bunch of kids that are on the verge of breaking through to the 1st team and are making a huge profit from those kids who don't or won't make our 1st team.
Currently we are in for a deal that could bring one of the considered elite of the World's goal scorers.

Financially, we are top of the Deloitte's Rich List and have no debt.

All of that is beyond my wildest dreams, beyond what I ever expected to see at City.
CITY ARE BEYOND THE DREAM.
THAT MY FRIEND IS A CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION, JUBILATION, POSITIVITY, JOY, HAPPINESS...not some nit picking negativity that seems to exude from your general posts.

Take stock mate and enjoy what you are experiencing in the now.


Again, John, what does this have to do with my post and the fact the scouse are one point behind? And where does the confidence comes from?
Being concern is something, negative is another thing.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Hazy2 » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:27 pm

Mase wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:Now now John. The Miserable City Fan Club lives on, nothing will ever change for some. 4-1 v the scum and still cannot stay and show the love. They say they are fans ! Moaning at what ? I just do not get it.pack in and do one I say.


Wow Hazy. That’s probably the most Rag-like post I’ve ever seen on here. Telling your own fans what they can and can’t do, and if it doesn’t side with your view then they should stop supporting City?

Like I say..wow!


Really Really Mase, facts are we have a moaning for fuck all element. Just saying 4-1 up and it’s excuse me can I get past mate. The same so called fans who were half way back to Euston v Gillingham. Rag hahaha the thought. It is what it is with City fans at times. As John said the good times have been here for a decade and we still have this BS chat x
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Re: Football Media

Postby john68 » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:32 pm

I come on here and read and I am gobsmacked at the level of "rarely anything positive" about your posts. You seem absorbed in negativity and concern.
Looking for things to worry about rather than celebrating what we have had and what we have got.

The dippers are one point BEHIND. That puts us one point IN FRONT.
It's the dippers who should be worried, not us.
We are at the top...a reason not to worry.
There are 19 teams behind us that can do all the worrying.

Should City win the Prem again this year,and ther is no gurantee, I will celebrate. I will have enjoyed the whole ride and adventure of the season, nit just that last moment.
Should City win the Prem, you will no doubt celebrate like me but you will have spent the rest of the season worried.

I much prefer my shoes mate.
The dippers have to catch us, let them do your worrying.
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Re: Football Media

Postby PeterParker » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:39 pm

But no one is forcing you to read them, pal.
Move past them if they annoy you.

Again, everyone sees things in a different way,
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Re: Football Media

Postby john68 » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:46 pm

PeterParker wrote:But no one is forcing you to read them, pal.
Move past them if they annoy you.

Again, everyone sees things in a different way,


Keep taking the diazipam and I hope you recover soon.
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Re: Football Media

Postby PeterParker » Fri Mar 25, 2022 3:01 pm

john68 wrote:
PeterParker wrote:But no one is forcing you to read them, pal.
Move past them if they annoy you.

Again, everyone sees things in a different way,


Keep taking the diazipam and I hope you recover soon.


Lol, odd comment pal.
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