City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrister

Here is the place to talk about all things city and football!

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby patrickblue » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:49 pm

Indeed, spot on.

As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.

And it's the simplest to counter.

As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.
[img]https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7qDYcso3azifQVyg/html5[/img]
User avatar
patrickblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Shaun Goater's 103 Goals
 
Posts: 7268
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:49 pm
Location: Newbury Berks
Supporter of: City
My favourite player is: The one and only Goat

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:55 am

patrickblue wrote:Indeed, spot on.

As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.

And it's the simplest to counter.

As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.


I thought it would be the easiest argument to counter, but in reality its needed 10 years and a Newcastle and a Forest to highlight 2 different scenarios where extreme wealth is prevented from investing in their squad, and to see who benefits from that?

The problem is, as this has taken so long to come through, we now have an entirely new generation of fans upto 30 years old, who have grown up unaware that football existed before Man City, and are completely oblivious to the fact that we are not part of the 'cartel' - all the comments that 'City will get away with this because they have money' - completely loses sight of the fact that we were always the fucking target of FFP from day 1.

It sadly goes to show both the public's stupidity, and also the brainwashing the red agenda media has performed in turning City into the bad guy.
Image
Im_Spartacus
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Denis Law's Backheel
 
Posts: 9504
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:41 pm
Location: Dubai
Supporter of: Breasts

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby salford city » Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:17 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
patrickblue wrote:Indeed, spot on.

As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.

And it's the simplest to counter.

As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.


I thought it would be the easiest argument to counter, but in reality its needed 10 years and a Newcastle and a Forest to highlight 2 different scenarios where extreme wealth is prevented from investing in their squad, and to see who benefits from that?

The problem is, as this has taken so long to come through, we now have an entirely new generation of fans upto 30 years old, who have grown up unaware that football existed before Man City, and are completely oblivious to the fact that we are not part of the 'cartel' - all the comments that 'City will get away with this because they have money' - completely loses sight of the fact that we were always the fucking target of FFP from day 1.

It sadly goes to show both the public's stupidity, and also the brainwashing the red agenda media has performed in turning City into the bad guy.


That last paragraph is the most pertinent in all of this. Sad in the main that the rest of football outside of the original SLY cartel have not seen ffp for what is was. We've said it forever on here and so whilst I can sympathise with the fans of the clubs that are starting to realise the real affect of these schemes, I also think fuck em for signing up and letting the cartel clubs get away with it in the first place.
Your job is cleaning boots
salford city
Joe Hart's 29 Clean Sheets
 
Posts: 5381
Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:21 pm

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby MIAMCFC » Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:47 am

salford city wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
patrickblue wrote:Indeed, spot on.

As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.

And it's the simplest to counter.

As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.


I thought it would be the easiest argument to counter, but in reality its needed 10 years and a Newcastle and a Forest to highlight 2 different scenarios where extreme wealth is prevented from investing in their squad, and to see who benefits from that?

The problem is, as this has taken so long to come through, we now have an entirely new generation of fans upto 30 years old, who have grown up unaware that football existed before Man City, and are completely oblivious to the fact that we are not part of the 'cartel' - all the comments that 'City will get away with this because they have money' - completely loses sight of the fact that we were always the fucking target of FFP from day 1.

It sadly goes to show both the public's stupidity, and also the brainwashing the red agenda media has performed in turning City into the bad guy.


That last paragraph is the most pertinent in all of this. Sad in the main that the rest of football outside of the original SLY cartel have not seen ffp for what is was. We've said it forever on here and so whilst I can sympathise with the fans of the clubs that are starting to realise the real affect of these schemes, I also think fuck em for signing up and letting the cartel clubs get away with it in the first place.



Murdock may as well have bought the scum, he has kept them relevant for over a decade. SLY has two puppets and have sadly added Ian Wright to complete the original clubs who have caused more drama than everyone put together. I mean let’s all forget George Grahams departure due to bungs and all that was pushed under the carpet……
MIAMCFC
Superman's Underpants
 
Posts: 619
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:53 pm
Supporter of: Manchester City
My favourite player is: David Silva

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Nickyboy » Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:12 pm

What is winding me up is that City are getting lumped in by other fans with the 'Sly 6' because of the super league nonsense and dumb c**ts on twitter saying FFP is there to 'protect' us - completely ignoring the fact we voted against FFP
User avatar
Nickyboy
De Jong's Tackle
 
Posts: 1565
Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 12:21 pm
Location: Ramsbottom
Supporter of: MCFC
My favourite player is: Silva

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby blues2win » Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:32 pm

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... lity-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
blues2win
Pablo Zabaleta's Manc Accent
 
Posts: 13528
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:03 am
Supporter of: manchester city
My favourite player is: david silva

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:37 pm

blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it
Mase
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 40932
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: The North Pole.
Supporter of: Warnock's Ref Rants
My favourite player is: Danny Tiatto

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby carolina-blue » Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:19 pm

Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it


The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,
carolina-blue
Rosler's Grandad Bombed The Swamp
 
Posts: 3610
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:55 pm

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby nottsblue » Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:37 pm

Seems there is likely to be a couple more clubs who will fall foul of this. We haven’t heard the end of this I reckon
nottsblue
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 30693
Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:17 pm
Location: Nottingham
Supporter of: manchester city
My favourite player is: niall Quinn & Kun

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:09 pm

When we get off the tears from all the other fans is going to be class!!
Mase
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 40932
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: The North Pole.
Supporter of: Warnock's Ref Rants
My favourite player is: Danny Tiatto

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:09 pm

FFP was introduced in 2009 and implemented a few years later.

In 2009, Stoke ,Sunderland, Blackburn , Wigan , Birmingham, Hull and Portsmouth were in the Premier League voting on issues that affect the future of the league.
Where are they now ? Why are Business decisions allowed to be made on behalf of a club by members that by default, have to leave the club ?

The PL must return to the fold under control of the FA and not media barons and members of the group of 14.
"Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs."
zuricity
Alan Oakes' 668 Games
 
Posts: 17429
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:54 pm
Location: Zuerich,ch

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Im_Spartacus » Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:34 am

Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it


I can't remember if Leicester were part of the league when the rules were dreamed up, but even if they were, again we have a situation voted for by a previous regime of a club over a decade and a half ago that wasn't contemplating their future change of ownership.

The implications here though, added to the Forest one are going to be very interesting.

The notion that a club's fate should be decided on the pitch, is going out of the window here and that's going to really start to piss fans of all clubs off, it's already starting to wear thin and there are enough questions now coming up that FFP is starting to be exposed for the nonsense it is - and the likes of Forest, Leicester, Everton are all just collateral damage in what was essentially established to stop City.

I think we can all agree that 'some' rules which genuinely protect clubs from shit owners are needed, but the punishments of points deductions are just not feasible in reality. We can't have 20% of clubs in the league having points randomly deducted mid-season, nor can we start having questions about the fairness of a specific deduction/tariff, as this will always cause appeals like Everton and Forest have already done. We become an accounting league, not a football league.

I mean lets look at the reality here - lets assume City are found guilty of at least some of what is alleged, lets just speculate for a moment that its a 50 point deduction that in effect relegates us, and causes us not to qualify for the CL......the implications beyond that are really problematic.

It would be impossible within a short timeframe, for Manchester City to divest itself of the contracts it has committed to based on its forecast revenue for the following year. So, if City all of a sudden lose $100m prize money and TV revenue in the year they find themselves outside the Premier league, and 2 they find themselves outside of the CL, how can it be reasonable that the club shed $100m in expenditure on player contracts to address that?

You get a snowball situation that could in itself cause a financial catastrophe if the club tried to comply, because lets say you sell a player to get him off the wage bill, you had to pay out that player's contract AND sell below market value - in fact rather than saving $5m off the wage bill, you've probably just actually caused a loss on the balance sheet of $20m from selling that player.

I think this puts the PL in a very interesting legal area........because essentially the conduct of the PL would now be directly causing the club to make financial losses, which (aside from the very questionable legality of causing a business to crystallise a loss) in turn makes it impossible to comply with their rules, which in turn means we get punished again, and again and again until we've sold all our best players and returned to the middle of the pack.
Image
Im_Spartacus
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Denis Law's Backheel
 
Posts: 9504
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:41 pm
Location: Dubai
Supporter of: Breasts

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby nottsblue » Fri Mar 22, 2024 11:09 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it


I can't remember if Leicester were part of the league when the rules were dreamed up, but even if they were, again we have a situation voted for by a previous regime of a club over a decade and a half ago that wasn't contemplating their future change of ownership.

The implications here though, added to the Forest one are going to be very interesting.

The notion that a club's fate should be decided on the pitch, is going out of the window here and that's going to really start to piss fans of all clubs off, it's already starting to wear thin and there are enough questions now coming up that FFP is starting to be exposed for the nonsense it is - and the likes of Forest, Leicester, Everton are all just collateral damage in what was essentially established to stop City.

I think we can all agree that 'some' rules which genuinely protect clubs from shit owners are needed, but the punishments of points deductions are just not feasible in reality. We can't have 20% of clubs in the league having points randomly deducted mid-season, nor can we start having questions about the fairness of a specific deduction/tariff, as this will always cause appeals like Everton and Forest have already done. We become an accounting league, not a football league.

I mean lets look at the reality here - lets assume City are found guilty of at least some of what is alleged, lets just speculate for a moment that its a 50 point deduction that in effect relegates us, and causes us not to qualify for the CL......the implications beyond that are really problematic.

It would be impossible within a short timeframe, for Manchester City to divest itself of the contracts it has committed to based on its forecast revenue for the following year. So, if City all of a sudden lose $100m prize money and TV revenue in the year they find themselves outside the Premier league, and 2 they find themselves outside of the CL, how can it be reasonable that the club shed $100m in expenditure on player contracts to address that?

You get a snowball situation that could in itself cause a financial catastrophe if the club tried to comply, because lets say you sell a player to get him off the wage bill, you had to pay out that player's contract AND sell below market value - in fact rather than saving $5m off the wage bill, you've probably just actually caused a loss on the balance sheet of $20m from selling that player.

I think this puts the PL in a very interesting legal area........because essentially the conduct of the PL would now be directly causing the club to make financial losses, which (aside from the very questionable legality of causing a business to crystallise a loss) in turn makes it impossible to comply with their rules, which in turn means we get punished again, and again and again until we've sold all our best players and returned to the middle of the pack.

I think your last paragraph is actually what the American owners of the red shirts want. Always was. Nothing whatsoever to do with fairness and integrity and protecting the PL or any other other bullshit they say FFP was designed for. Pure nastiness and greed on their part, simple as that
nottsblue
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 30693
Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:17 pm
Location: Nottingham
Supporter of: manchester city
My favourite player is: niall Quinn & Kun

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Im_Spartacus » Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:56 pm

Yeah I've long pondered how this plays out when someone gets relegated, because it could easily cause a spiral that a club couldn't get out of.

It would be funny though if they gave us a 60 point deduction and we bagged 95 and stayed up. I personally think this is the only way out for the PL, to apply something like a 50 point deduction and let City deal with it on the pitch so we have a chance to stay up on merit.

If they relegated us directly, I don't think the PL could survive the legal implications, and they would cause the breakup of football as we know it, as I can't see any other outcome than a Super League - which would be odd, as it would essentially create the thing the cartel wanted to exclude us from in the first place!
Image
Im_Spartacus
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Denis Law's Backheel
 
Posts: 9504
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:41 pm
Location: Dubai
Supporter of: Breasts

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby patrickblue » Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:14 pm

carolina-blue wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it


The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,


Us, Fulham, West Brom, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton voted against it. Reading abstained.
[img]https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7qDYcso3azifQVyg/html5[/img]
User avatar
patrickblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Shaun Goater's 103 Goals
 
Posts: 7268
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:49 pm
Location: Newbury Berks
Supporter of: City
My favourite player is: The one and only Goat

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:40 pm

Leicester were part of the group that Pep publicly called out in his press conference that time.
Mase
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 40932
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: The North Pole.
Supporter of: Warnock's Ref Rants
My favourite player is: Danny Tiatto

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby carolina-blue » Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:57 pm

patrickblue wrote:
carolina-blue wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it


The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,


Us, Fulham, West Brom, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton voted against it. Reading abstained.


Oh ok thanks . I thought Sheff abstained in something or other
carolina-blue
Rosler's Grandad Bombed The Swamp
 
Posts: 3610
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:55 pm

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby patrickblue » Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:45 pm

carolina-blue wrote:
patrickblue wrote:
carolina-blue wrote:
Mase wrote:
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules

Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.


They all voted for it. They all deserve it


The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,


Us, Fulham, West Brom, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton voted against it. Reading abstained.


Oh ok thanks . I thought Sheff abstained in something or other


They weren't in the PL at the time

These are the ones who voted for it, and of course the top four are the one's who sent the infamous letter on official Arsenal headed paper.


Manchester United
Liverpool
Arsenal
Tottenham Hotspur
Everton
Chelsea
West Ham United
Norwich City
Stoke City
Newcastle United
Sunderland
Wigan Athletic
Queens Park Rangers
[img]https://giphy.com/gifs/3o7qDYcso3azifQVyg/html5[/img]
User avatar
patrickblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Shaun Goater's 103 Goals
 
Posts: 7268
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:49 pm
Location: Newbury Berks
Supporter of: City
My favourite player is: The one and only Goat

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:53 pm

According to the Beeb Leicester are going after the PL in a court of law.
"Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs."
zuricity
Alan Oakes' 668 Games
 
Posts: 17429
Joined: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:54 pm
Location: Zuerich,ch

Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:41 pm

Pep knows what went on behind the scenes with Leicester a few years ago. They wrote a letter trying to fuck us. I hope the PL fuck them -

Pep Guardiola has accused Manchester City’s Premier League rivals of conspiring against them again, naming Leicester City as one of nine clubs who worked to kick them out of European football three years ago.

Asked if he felt other Man City's rivals had been driving the matter, Guardiola said at a press conference on Friday: "Of course – it is the Premier League. I don’t know why. You have to ask the CEOs, Daniel Levy, these kind of people."

He said: “Nine teams – Burnley, Wolves, Leicester, Newcastle, Spurs, Arsenal, (Manchester) United, Liverpool, Chelsea – (wrote a letter wanting us) out of the Champions League, that they wanted that position. It’s not an unprecedented story, it’s the second time. We lived that before, two or three years ago.

“You accuse us – we should be out. But between those nine teams before and the 19 teams now, between their word and the word of my people, I’m sorry but I rely on the words of my people.”
Mase
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 40932
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: The North Pole.
Supporter of: Warnock's Ref Rants
My favourite player is: Danny Tiatto

PreviousNext

Return to The Maine Football forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: carolina-blue, Majestic-12 [Bot] and 167 guests