City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrister

[salford city]

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.

I'm all for this but I guarantee that we will send a revision of the wording from the PL. Leicester won the appeal based on the fact that at the end of the 3rd year of the PSR period, they were relegated thus when their accounts were posted, not subject to the rule. By the same standard, any championship club who had not previously been in the PL could spend a shit load in their first season providing they haven't breached FL finances in the previous period(s). Doesn't help us - other than showing the PL up as being a law unto themselves but largely incompetent to

[blues2win]

The PL can certainly get the Clubs to approve a change in the wording which would prevent such a challenge succeeding in the future but it won’t apply retrospectively. I doubt this ruling affects the main charges against City of providing fraudulent accounts but it might have an impact on other charges eg the Mancini contract if the PL are relying on sloppy wording of the rules. If.

[johnny crossan]

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.

I'm all for this but I guarantee that we will send a revision of the wording from the PL. Leicester won the appeal based on the fact that at the end of the 3rd year of the PSR period, they were relegated thus when their accounts were posted, not subject to the rule. By the same standard, any championship club who had not previously been in the PL could spend a shit load in their first season providing they haven't breached FL finances in the previous period(s). Doesn't help us - other than showing the PL up as being a law unto themselves but largely incompetent to

incredibly incompetent drafting by obscenely paid cartel lawyers - the PL are a sick joke.

[Bluemoon4610]

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.

I'm all for this but I guarantee that we will send a revision of the wording from the PL. Leicester won the appeal based on the fact that at the end of the 3rd year of the PSR period, they were relegated thus when their accounts were posted, not subject to the rule. By the same standard, any championship club who had not previously been in the PL could spend a shit load in their first season providing they haven't breached FL finances in the previous period(s). Doesn't help us - other than showing the PL up as being a law unto themselves but largely incompetent to

incredibly incompetent drafting by obscenely paid cartel lawyers - the PL are a sick joke.

Anything that shows the PL are not fit to govern themselves is fine by me. Get an independent body in that doesn't just pander to the yank cartel and they'll soon feck off home once their cash cows dries up.

[nottsblue]

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.

I'm all for this but I guarantee that we will send a revision of the wording from the PL. Leicester won the appeal based on the fact that at the end of the 3rd year of the PSR period, they were relegated thus when their accounts were posted, not subject to the rule. By the same standard, any championship club who had not previously been in the PL could spend a shit load in their first season providing they haven't breached FL finances in the previous period(s). Doesn't help us - other than showing the PL up as being a law unto themselves but largely incompetent to

Wonder if Forest will open the can of worms and appeal their decision. The extra points might mean a higher league position and thus more revenue?

Or maybe the PL have or are doing a behind the scenes deal where they just give extra prize money to avoid them further embarrassment at not having a proper system in place?

[stupot]

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.

I'm all for this but I guarantee that we will send a revision of the wording from the PL. Leicester won the appeal based on the fact that at the end of the 3rd year of the PSR period, they were relegated thus when their accounts were posted, not subject to the rule. By the same standard, any championship club who had not previously been in the PL could spend a shit load in their first season providing they haven't breached FL finances in the previous period(s). Doesn't help us - other than showing the PL up as being a law unto themselves but largely incompetent to

Wonder if Forest will open the can of worms and appeal their decision. The extra points might mean a higher league position and thus more revenue?

Or maybe the PL have or are doing a behind the scenes deal where they just give extra prize money to avoid them further embarrassment at not having a proper system in place?

Think the Forest situation is different as they spent a shit load 1st year Prem and got done 2nd year Prem whereas Leicester won the appeal because of being a non PL club when they were charged.

[blues2win]

Agreed. The question for City’s lawyers is whether any of the PL charges fail because of sloppy drafting. Not the main ones because the allegation is of a massive conspiracy over many years to falsify accounts.

[nottsblue]

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.

I'm all for this but I guarantee that we will send a revision of the wording from the PL. Leicester won the appeal based on the fact that at the end of the 3rd year of the PSR period, they were relegated thus when their accounts were posted, not subject to the rule. By the same standard, any championship club who had not previously been in the PL could spend a shit load in their first season providing they haven't breached FL finances in the previous period(s). Doesn't help us - other than showing the PL up as being a law unto themselves but largely incompetent to

Wonder if Forest will open the can of worms and appeal their decision. The extra points might mean a higher league position and thus more revenue?

Or maybe the PL have or are doing a behind the scenes deal where they just give extra prize money to avoid them further embarrassment at not having a proper system in place?

Think the Forest situation is different as they spent a shit load 1st year Prem and got done 2nd year Prem whereas Leicester won the appeal because of being a non PL club when they were charged.

True, but one of the 3 years under PSR they were in the Championship

Doubt it would stick but it’s another anomaly in the PL rules and further exposes them for the idiots they are

[stupot]

Forest deserve to get done because of the Jesse Lingard deal alone.

[Mase]

Forest deserve to get done because of the Jesse Lingard deal alone.

They signed some absolute shite!

[blues2win]

One worrying aspect of the Leicester case is that the Commission found in favour of the PL’s interpretation of the rules. It was possible for Leicester to appeal on a point of law but that likely wouldn’t have been possible on a finding of fact. If the Commission take a PL friendly line on findings of fact in the City case we might find it very difficult to overturn them on appeal.

[john@staustell]

One worrying aspect of the Leicester case is that the Commission found in favour of the PL’s interpretation of the rules. It was possible for Leicester to appeal on a point of law but that likely wouldn’t have been possible on a finding of fact. If the Commission take a PL friendly line on findings of fact in the City case we might find it very difficult to overturn them on appeal.

Totally different rules though mate.

[blues2win]

I just meant that this Commission panel supported a very PL friendly interpretation of the rules. I hope we don’t get a PL friendly Commission. The standard of proof will be ‘balance of probabilities’ not ‘comfortably satisfied’ as with CAS.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Even expensive lawyers fuck up contracts and leave them open to be challenged.

I hope we bury the Premiership and / or refuse to settle out of court ( wishful thinking on the settling out of court bit !)

[PaulieIrish]

It's a total farce, lads.

Utd breach FFP in 2023 and are fined 300k
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/6620 ... outcome%22.

Then they would have breached PSR last season but got two 'exceptional allowances'
1. "an exceptional allowance of £40m for Covid in 2022, which no other club had"
2. "On top of that it seems they’ve been given allowance for around £35m of exceptional costs relating to the share sale to (INEOS CEO Sir Jim) Ratcliffe which to be honest, the Glazers should have paid that themselves anyway given they were the main beneficiary."
https://talksport.com/football/1999906/ ... psr-breach

And just recently Chelsea are allowed to sell 2 hotels in order to avoid PSR breach - not two players, mind - two fucking hotels
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... psr-breach

How can anyone take this FFP/PSR shit seriously. Those that were docked points last year should be suing the PL.

[Hazy2]

It's a total farce, lads.

Utd breach FFP in 2023 and are fined 300k
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/6620 ... outcome%22.

Then they would have breached PSR last season but got two 'exceptional allowances'
1. "an exceptional allowance of £40m for Covid in 2022, which no other club had"
2. "On top of that it seems they’ve been given allowance for around £35m of exceptional costs relating to the share sale to (INEOS CEO Sir Jim) Ratcliffe which to be honest, the Glazers should have paid that themselves anyway given they were the main beneficiary."
https://talksport.com/football/1999906/ ... psr-breach

And just recently Chelsea are allowed to sell 2 hotels in order to avoid PSR breach - not two players, mind - two fucking hotels
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... psr-breach

How can anyone take this FFP/PSR shit seriously. Those that were docked points last year should be suing the PL.

Like a lot blues I’ve sort of ignored it or laughed it off. Pretty much every team who has spent anytime in the Premier League has questions to answer. When the three cunt teams were crying to the league that it’s not fair, it was a red flag that I hope our legal team can destroy the 3 rule breaking wankers an the notion we are any different. The above example demonstrates this.

[Bluemoon4610]

It's a total farce, lads.

Utd breach FFP in 2023 and are fined 300k
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/6620 ... outcome%22.

Then they would have breached PSR last season but got two 'exceptional allowances'
1. "an exceptional allowance of £40m for Covid in 2022, which no other club had"
2. "On top of that it seems they’ve been given allowance for around £35m of exceptional costs relating to the share sale to (INEOS CEO Sir Jim) Ratcliffe which to be honest, the Glazers should have paid that themselves anyway given they were the main beneficiary."
https://talksport.com/football/1999906/ ... psr-breach

And just recently Chelsea are allowed to sell 2 hotels in order to avoid PSR breach - not two players, mind - two fucking hotels
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... psr-breach

How can anyone take this FFP/PSR shit seriously. Those that were docked points last year should be suing the PL.

That Chelsea example, which they've cleared as ok, is a weird one. The hotels have been bought by the holding company that ultimately owns Chelsea. So by extension don't they own the hotels already? And have just moved some of the "owner's" money from one part of the business into the football side? I.E. owner funding, not earned income. Wonder where we've heard that before...???

[blues2win]

Benjamin Mandy’s case against the Club in an employment tribunal, comes up next month.

[Mase]

Benjamin Mandy’s case against the Club in an employment tribunal, comes up next month.

He’s not got a club at the moment so it will be quite important to him.

[patrickblue]

Didn't that dickhead Masters grandly announce that City's hearing would be in September 2024?
Not heard any more since.