City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrister

[zuricity]

I doubt very much that City have failed to co-operate.

The PL might not like what they have been given, that does not mean we have not co-operated.

I agree with this - the question is whether we have been obstructive or whether there's a legal aspect - I perceive at least one major problem in this particular case is that it involves third parties, and although the third parties may all ultimately be owned by the same person, these entities still have rights under the relevant contractual agreements for data not to be shared without consent etc.

So it would make me laugh if through all this, it wasn't city being obstructive, but the sponsors - and there's fuck all the PL could do about that if the confidentiality agreement city are bound by with Etisalat / Etihad etc prevents certain things from being shared.

This is very much so. Someone at the authorities here said he wanted to see details of contracts i made through my company in foreign countries. I told him if he gets an ok from the companies in the other countries to look at the contracts and shows it to me, i will be happy to present him with the details. He never came back.

[Outcast]

We won't get relegated, we won't be banned, I don't think we'll even get points deduction. Worst case scenario a fine.
Let's not forget our legal team's rep is on the line here, winning this case is huge for their name.

[salford city]

We won't get relegated, we won't be banned, I don't think we'll even get points deduction. Worst case scenario a fine.
Let's not forget our legal team's rep is on the line here, winning this case is huge for their name.

All true but the same can be said of the PL? Read earlier that IF the result were to go for us, the PL would be expecting the other 19 clubs to foot the bill for their legal costs that is likely to be 10s of millions. That happens and there will be a vote of no confidence

[Redna]

I hear that the Spanish piss stain aka Tebas has opened his filthy mouth again. When will it take him?
CTID!!

[PeterParker]

What it still amazes me is the reaction of the fans of the middle-smaller clubs. They assist to this witch hunt and and either ignore it or take sides with the clubs that rob them year after year.
We are a fantastic example of what it will happen to everyone who wants to take on the Cartel of football.

[Im_Spartacus]

I doubt very much that City have failed to co-operate.

The PL might not like what they have been given, that does not mean we have not co-operated.

I agree with this - the question is whether we have been obstructive or whether there's a legal aspect - I perceive at least one major problem in this particular case is that it involves third parties, and although the third parties may all ultimately be owned by the same person, these entities still have rights under the relevant contractual agreements for data not to be shared without consent etc.

So it would make me laugh if through all this, it wasn't city being obstructive, but the sponsors - and there's fuck all the PL could do about that if the confidentiality agreement city are bound by with Etisalat / Etihad etc prevents certain things from being shared.

This is very much so. Someone at the authorities here said he wanted to see details of contracts i made through my company in foreign countries. I told him if he gets an ok from the companies in the other countries to look at the contracts and shows it to me, i will be happy to present him with the details. He never came back.

Yes, I've had similar and my primary duty is to uphold my obligations to the counterparty of the contract's confidentiality clauses. If the regulator can't get the counterparty to voluntarily release me from my confidentiality obligation, then they need a court order to take a look. On the assumption that the regulator is trying to find an easy route through an investigation, it's not worth the litigation from the counterparty for me to breach confidentiality without a court order.

I suspect the outcome of the Leicester case recently is a sign of things to come - these regulations have never been put to the test, so this is essentially a test case and like Leicester's, any drafting inadequacy or other inconsistency is going to be flagged for the first time. And I don't think its a case of the PL being amateur (even though it looked that way with Leicester), it's just unfortunate for the PL that untested policy will be tested on a case with the magnitude of this one, as with what's at stake, the very best legal minds will ensure every single flaw will be exposed.

The frustration with that is that we will again be perceived to be getting off on a technicality, so I'd like to see that the underlying case is heard and judged like it was with CAS (albeit nobody seems to mention that), and I think the club will insist on this in light of the damage done to the brand.

[patrickblue]

We won't get relegated, we won't be banned, I don't think we'll even get points deduction. Worst case scenario a fine.
Let's not forget our legal team's rep is on the line here, winning this case is huge for their name.

All true but the same can be said of the PL? Read earlier that IF the result were to go for us, the PL would be expecting the other 19 clubs to foot the bill for their legal costs that is likely to be 10s of millions. That happens and there will be a vote of no confidence

I suspect that if they lose badly it will be the death knell for the PL.

[patrickblue]

I doubt very much that City have failed to co-operate.

The PL might not like what they have been given, that does not mean we have not co-operated.

I agree with this - the question is whether we have been obstructive or whether there's a legal aspect - I perceive at least one major problem in this particular case is that it involves third parties, and although the third parties may all ultimately be owned by the same person, these entities still have rights under the relevant contractual agreements for data not to be shared without consent etc.

So it would make me laugh if through all this, it wasn't city being obstructive, but the sponsors - and there's fuck all the PL could do about that if the confidentiality agreement city are bound by with Etisalat / Etihad etc prevents certain things from being shared.

This is very much so. Someone at the authorities here said he wanted to see details of contracts i made through my company in foreign countries. I told him if he gets an ok from the companies in the other countries to look at the contracts and shows it to me, i will be happy to present him with the details. He never came back.

The frustration with that is that we will again be perceived to be getting off on a technicality, so I'd like to see that the underlying case is heard and judged like it was with CAS (albeit nobody seems to mention that), and I think the club will insist on this in light of the damage done to the brand.

That's the bit that gets to me too, although to be honest, if all the charges got thrown out and the PL publicly apologised and said they only brought the charges because the yank owners threatened them with a breakaway league, there'd still be loads of journos and red shite fans claiming City paid the PL off.
As you say, the damage is done.

[salford city]

I doubt very much that City have failed to co-operate.

The PL might not like what they have been given, that does not mean we have not co-operated.

I agree with this - the question is whether we have been obstructive or whether there's a legal aspect - I perceive at least one major problem in this particular case is that it involves third parties, and although the third parties may all ultimately be owned by the same person, these entities still have rights under the relevant contractual agreements for data not to be shared without consent etc.

So it would make me laugh if through all this, it wasn't city being obstructive, but the sponsors - and there's fuck all the PL could do about that if the confidentiality agreement city are bound by with Etisalat / Etihad etc prevents certain things from being shared.

This is very much so. Someone at the authorities here said he wanted to see details of contracts i made through my company in foreign countries. I told him if he gets an ok from the companies in the other countries to look at the contracts and shows it to me, i will be happy to present him with the details. He never came back.

The frustration with that is that we will again be perceived to be getting off on a technicality, so I'd like to see that the underlying case is heard and judged like it was with CAS (albeit nobody seems to mention that), and I think the club will insist on this in light of the damage done to the brand.

That's the bit that gets to me too, although to be honest, if all the charges got thrown out and the PL publicly apologised and said they only brought the charges because the yank owners threatened them with a breakaway league, there'd still be loads of journos and red shite fans claiming City paid the PL off.
As you say, the damage is done.

That's got to be part of our ask as a result of finding in our favour though hasn't it? We shouldn't be accepting anything other than a full apology with as you say, reference to the PL being held to ransom by the yank driven cartel- that and them all having to dig deep for our costs and it not being exempt for PSR

[Original Dub]

The damage was done the day of the takeover.

Everyone red cunt and their brother started jumping from one coping mechanism to the next. I believe the first crutch was "money can't buy success", followed by "you bought the league", followed by "the sheikh will get bored with his toy", followed by uefa stepping in with brand new spending rules (the guy who brought them about was since locked up for fraud) on the back of gill's appointment, followed by sanctions and fines.

Followed by false accusations by uefa (the guy who brought them about was since locked up for illigal hacking) that were overturned in the court of arbitration for sport.

Followed by accusations that we got off on a technicality.
Followed by a premier league investigation for years.

Followed by more accusations and 115 charges.

Followed by years of every media outlet being allowed to say what they wanted about us. To damage us as much as they could.

The above has been an effort to help all involved sleep at night and the truth is they haven't slept a fucking wink. Instead they've watched us, despite all of the above, become the greatest club in football history.

So if this gets thrown out, there'll be something else. Sleep deprivation is nasty

[dick dastardley]

The rumour doing the rounds at present is that the first document the PL submitted was a fake document

[Nigels Tackle]

The rumour doing the rounds at present is that the first document the PL submitted was a fake document

i suspect that that was a joke...

[Dubciteh]

Talksport going into overdrive on their headlines about City paying Mancini an extra £2m a year via Al Jazeera and also paying Yaya Toure off the books (no other details about that one though)....

Talking about them as if they're facts - no mention that the Mancini contract with Al Jazeera predated his City one.

Obvious that they're putting in into peoples heads this happened and isn't 'alleged'

Here is an interesting fact, mancini was sacked in May 2013. FFP in the prem didnt start til August 2013 and was for the season 2014. We hired Mancini in 09 4 years before FFP was even a thing, unless we are psychic we had no reason to pay him under the table. I have no doubt it was a little sweetner for him too on top of his contract to do a bit of consultancy and get a few quid for it but it wasnt to circumvent any kind of rules.

Can someone explain to me given the facts above how there is even a conversation around mancini payments?

[Bluemoon4610]

Talksport going into overdrive on their headlines about City paying Mancini an extra £2m a year via Al Jazeera and also paying Yaya Toure off the books (no other details about that one though)....

Talking about them as if they're facts - no mention that the Mancini contract with Al Jazeera predated his City one.

Obvious that they're putting in into peoples heads this happened and isn't 'alleged'

Here is an interesting fact, mancini was sacked in May 2013. FFP in the prem didnt start til August 2013 and was for the season 2014. We hired Mancini in 09 4 years before FFP was even a thing, unless we are psychic we had no reason to pay him under the table. I have no doubt it was a little sweetner for him too on top of his contract to do a bit of consultancy and get a few quid for it but it wasnt to circumvent any kind of rules.

Can someone explain to me given the facts above how there is even a conversation around mancini payments?

Straws, and grasping at, come to mind...

[carl_feedthegoat]

I want to know what happens to the premier league if we win ?
We have all heard how Man City will be hung drawn and quartered , it’s been said time and time and time and time again in every single headline - I want to know what happens to the PL ?

Personally , I would want them set on fire and fined 500 million pounds .

[Mase]

I want to know what happens to the premier league if we win ?
We have all heard how Man City will be hung drawn and quartered , it’s been said time and time and time and time again in every single headline - I want to know what happens to the PL ?

Personally , I would want them set on fire and fined 500 million pounds .

I think the auditors should go for them if we win

[sheblue]

I want to know what happens to the premier league if we win ?
We have all heard how Man City will be hung drawn and quartered , it’s been said time and time and time and time again in every single headline - I want to know what happens to the PL ?

Personally , I would want them set on fire and fined 500 million pounds .

I think the auditors should go for them if we win

Its something ive been thinking about. Yes there is loads about the possible punishment for us. But what will become of the PL if this goes tits up from them. It ultimately has to be the end of the premier league as we know it.

Either way no matter what the super league, or some other version of it, is only a matter of time away.

[ruralblue]

I want to know what happens to the premier league if we win ?
We have all heard how Man City will be hung drawn and quartered , it’s been said time and time and time and time again in every single headline - I want to know what happens to the PL ?

Personally , I would want them set on fire and fined 500 million pounds .

I think the auditors should go for them if we win

Its something ive been thinking about. Yes there is loads about the possible punishment for us. But what will become of the PL if this goes tits up from them. It ultimately has to be the end of the premier league as we know it.

Either way no matter what the super league, or some other version of it, is only a matter of time away.

All hell should break loose. However City will most likely just release a statement then carry on as normal like nothings ever happened.

We should definitely go after Tebas, Talksport, media outlets who have fuelled this and bring an end to nobheads like that Gouldbridge.

[john@staustell]

Masters should be the first casualty. I'm quite willing to administer punishment . The fate of Bragadin should serve as a good example

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_A ... 0centuries.

[nottsblue]

Re what will happen to the PL if we win

Maybe this is part of a plan by the US owned clubs, namely dippers rags and Arse to resurrect the European Super League. The PL were kind of rushed into announcing the charges in the first place and I’ll wager good money the red shirt cartel were the main drivers behind it.

If we win lose then it’s a bonus for the aforementioned clubs as we are either fined heavily or suffer some sort of points deduction. That’s best case scenario for them. And unlikely.

If we win then the PL look like chumps. Masters either resigns or is forced out with a no confidence vote. The PL has to pay our legal costs which could run into millions. Then there is the matter of any compensation for us. Which in my view should be substantial. These costs will have to be passed onto the other PL clubs, so prize money could well be reduced. The red shirt cartel then say the PL isn’t fit for purpose and has lost its way, etc etc etc, and they raise the scenario of the ESL as a way to boost revenue and allow the PL clubs to compete in Europe. Complete horseshit of course, but as we know, the general public is thick as mince who believe what Sky and the BBC and other media outlets peddle to them is gospel and fact

I know this idea is out there but is it beyond the realm of possibility? I for one don’t trust the yank owners and their motives and I certainly don’t trust the PL. And the PL and Masters in particular are stupid enough not to realise or recognise they have been played.

Either way, this circus just rumbles on and almost two months after the first court case started we are no nearer to knowing the outcome of that. I rather suspect this will be an even longer drawn out affair. All of which increases the public mood against us. And have we just had a quiet transfer window through choice or did our targets politely decline transferring to us because of this ongoing saga?