De Jong tackle.

[Mase]

There are a number of posters on here who don't appear to fully grasp what being a City fan (or a "proper" supporter of any club) is all about.

They seem to have been drawn to the club by a number of factors....some of them because their favourite player signed for us, others because player/manager of their nationality joined us and interest levels in Manchester City drew them here.

No City fan should condone blatant foul play but not many on here thought, for example, what Ben Thatcher did to Pablo Mendes was OK, or acceptable.

However, ALL City fans should support the fucking club over their little favourites....or their national interests.

And I'm referring to C&C's bitching about Nigel breaking Holden's leg....which was equally not deliberate foul play, merely a very hard tackle
RIG supporting fucking Robinho over City
Mancio4ever bitching and moaning about City and its fans cos he has a hard-on for the fucking manager
.....even the Irish contingent with their blind support of the Irish players and bitching about the club when they are "slighted", dropped or sold.

We all have our fucking favourites. I was as pissed off as anyone when, say, Bellamy was sold. I loved Elano but recognised that he wasn't exactly a model team player. I might have whined a bit at the time when both left but then I got on with supporting the club and the fucking shirt.

If Nigel de Jong, Manchester City player, upsets anyones sensibilities that much well fuck off and support another club or your national team as you are not needed here

At last some common sense!!

[Fish111]

NEWS IN BRIEF:

NDJ breaks a lads leg going in for a fair challenge, unlucky for Ben Arfa, get well soon.

Referee was stood 6 feet away and didn't call a foul.

Hysteria from the munich-loving journos.

No action possible from the FA because the ref saw it and decided no offence had been commited so no retrospective punishment allowed.

NDJ dropped from Holland squad (the same Holland squad with the same coach who were sent out to kick Spain all over the pitch) with Van Bommell still in the team who just happens to be shagging daughter of coach.

NDJ has a fortnight off and comes back nice and fresh for City.

Blackpool centre forwards left to ponder how to get through Citys defence without going through NDJ.

And now the weather.............

[london blue 2]

NEWS IN BRIEF:

NDJ breaks a lads leg going in for a fair challenge, unlucky for Ben Arfa, get well soon.

Referee was stood 6 feet away and didn't call a foul.

Hysteria from the munich-loving journos.

No action possible from the FA because the ref saw it and decided no offence had been commited so no retrospective punishment allowed.

NDJ dropped from Holland squad (the same Holland squad with the same coach who were sent out to kick Spain all over the pitch) with Van Bommell still in the team who just happens to be shagging daughter of coach.

NDJ has a fortnight off and comes back nice and fresh for City.

Blackpool centre forwards left to ponder how to get through Citys defence without going through NDJ.

And now the weather.............

Good post mate, time to move on.

One thing is for sure, ALL city fans wish Ben Arfa all the best in his recovery.

[Goaters 103]

Finally some common sense in the press - this is The Mail's Ian Ladyman on Twitter


Ian_Ladyman_DM "van marwijk's de jong comments outrageous. no malice in the tackle. dutch coach merely trying to rebuild own reputation after WCFinal."

[Ted Hughes]

I want a picture of it as his leg is bent as my signature, fucking awesome challenge broke both the bones. I know you guys will probably cry about the guys career but i honestly dont care before anyone does.

De Jong is double hard. Makes keane look like the scruffy little tinker he was.

Are you deliberately trying to give everyone the impression that you're a wanker?

Anyway, back in the world of normal human beings; it's an awful shame what's happened to the lad but having seen it again, if they 'do' DeJong for that, they'd better give Paul Scholes & about 50 other people a retrospective 20 game ban each. I asked two full scale rags about it before I'd seen the replay & neither thought there was even a question of a problem with the challenge.

Wow, there we go. Awesome logic, Teddy. Because you asked two "full-scale".. mind you not "half-scale" but FULL.. rags, and they gave their approval, it's all good,right?

No. It's not. It is my opinion judging by De Jong's wrecklessness last season, his breaking of Holden's ankle, his karate kick in the WC, and the audacious tackle on Arfa, tha Nigel is a thug. If that makes Scholes a thug, so be it. There has to be a standard applied that prevents idiots from legally breaking another's bones.

Just because one "gets the ball first", doesn't automatically make the tackle fair. Well, not to normal human beings.

The reason I asked the two rags, you sarcastic twat, is because I was at the game, sat directly in line with the challenge & not only did it look like nothing at all but it wasn't even in the top 100 hard challenges I've seen in that very spot. I was completely baffled by the reaction & wondered whether somehow there'd been a touch by Ben Arfa on the ball & DeJong had got his ankle & I'd somehow missed it. When they cleared that point up, then I figured it must of been an unlucky incident & as both rags (& now NEWCASTLE'S ASSISTANT MANAGER) said they thought it was because the lad got his studs caught in the turf so he couldn't ride the challenge normally.

Now when they show the replay, they make sure they do it in slow motion from the angle which gives the worst effect so it's not possible to see obviously how DeJong merely got the ball & did nothing different than 50 other players did on the same weekend. If they show it at normal speed it looks like what it was; fuck all.

If a challenge like that highlights anything is the question of whether some players in the Prem have never been tackled hard before they get there & whether they know what to do when it happens. That challenge should not have resulted in a broken leg.

[CityFanFromRome]

There are a number of posters on here who don't appear to fully grasp what being a City fan (or a "proper" supporter of any club) is all about.

They seem to have been drawn to the club by a number of factors....some of them because their favourite player signed for us, others because player/manager of their nationality joined us and interest levels in Manchester City drew them here.

No City fan should condone blatant foul play but not many on here thought, for example, what Ben Thatcher did to Pablo Mendes was OK, or acceptable.

However, ALL City fans should support the fucking club over their little favourites....or their national interests.

And I'm referring to C&C's bitching about Nigel breaking Holden's leg....which was equally not deliberate foul play, merely a very hard tackle
RIG supporting fucking Robinho over City
Mancio4ever bitching and moaning about City and its fans cos he has a hard-on for the fucking manager
.....even the Irish contingent with their blind support of the Irish players and bitching about the club when they are "slighted", dropped or sold.

We all have our fucking favourites. I was as pissed off as anyone when, say, Bellamy was sold. I loved Elano but recognised that he wasn't exactly a model team player. I might have whined a bit at the time when both left but then I got on with supporting the club and the fucking shirt.

If Nigel de Jong, Manchester City player, upsets anyones sensibilities that much well fuck off and support another club or your national team as you are not needed here

Top post, this. The club comes before anything else, managers, players, even owners come and go, the club is the only thing that is constant through the years.

[david yearsley]

For any of you with any understanding of Spanish you might like to read some of the stuff on the Yahoo /Eurosport blog on the incident - they have metaphorically hung, drawn and quartered the lad. It´s absolutely astonishing.Obvious they haven´t studied the video , just used THAT incident in the final to be judge and jury. I chucked a little hand grenade in there about it being a mans game and that if they like non contact sports they should stick to Futsal. Needless to say the reaction was negative but it told me a lot about how they see the game here these days - it´s treated almost like art and not sport. Next I expect the Spanish Rugby Federation to propose the outlawing of tackling in the game and reduce it to the equivalent of watching sevens
They really do think they´re on some kind of moral plateau over here at times

[mr_nool]

For any of you with any understanding of Spanish you might like to read some of the stuff on the Yahoo /Eurosport blog on the incident - they have metaphorically hung, drawn and quartered the lad. It´s absolutely astonishing.Obvious they haven´t studied the video , just used THAT incident in the final to be judge and jury. I chucked a little hand grenade in there about it being a mans game and that if they like non contact sports they should stick to Futsal. Needless to say the reaction was negative but it told me a lot about how they see the game here these days - it´s treated almost like art and not sport. Next I expect the Spanish Rugby Federation to propose the outlawing of tackling in the game and reduce it to the equivalent of watching sevens
They really do think they´re on some kind of moral plateau over here at times

The same debate is going on on the Swedish news sites, which I find slightly amusing. Sweden is not famous for playing entertaining and technical football, but rather to do what ever it takes to win.

What bugs me the most is that people who obviously haven't seen the incident go way OTT and brand de Jong as a dishonest and dirty player, talking about him flying in to the tackle and trying to hurt the opponent on purpose. Other idiots, who claim to have seen the incident, say that it is one of the worst things they've ever seen on a football pitch. Clearly they've never watched a football game before.

I usually don't engage in football debates on Swedish news sites due to the fact that the majority of the people writing comments are deluded fucktards "cheering" for Liverpool or Scum. But this time I haven't been able to shut up.

[david yearsley]

For any of you with any understanding of Spanish you might like to read some of the stuff on the Yahoo /Eurosport blog on the incident - they have metaphorically hung, drawn and quartered the lad. It´s absolutely astonishing.Obvious they haven´t studied the video , just used THAT incident in the final to be judge and jury. I chucked a little hand grenade in there about it being a mans game and that if they like non contact sports they should stick to Futsal. Needless to say the reaction was negative but it told me a lot about how they see the game here these days - it´s treated almost like art and not sport. Next I expect the Spanish Rugby Federation to propose the outlawing of tackling in the game and reduce it to the equivalent of watching sevens
They really do think they´re on some kind of moral plateau over here at times

The same debate is going on on the Swedish news sites, which I find slightly amusing. Sweden is not famous for playing entertaining and technical football, but rather to do what ever it takes to win.

What bugs me the most is that people who obviously haven't seen the incident go way OTT and brand de Jong as a dishonest and dirty player, talking about him flying in to the tackle and trying to hurt the opponent on purpose. Other idiots, who claim to have seen the incident, say that it is one of the worst things they've ever seen on a football pitch. Clearly they've never watched a football game before.

I usually don't engage in football debates on Swedish news sites due to the fact that the majority of the people writing comments are deluded fucktards "cheering" for Liverpool or Scum. But this time I haven't been able to shut up.

Keep up the good work mate - I for one am too consumed with anger to express my views coherently and rationally

[shawzy]

De Jong tackle ;-)

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodispl ... a-7081743/

[Ted Hughes]

De Jong tackle ;-)

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodispl ... a-7081743/

Even from that ridiculous angle designed to look like he missed the ball, it's clear he didn't swing his other leg in & kick the bloke hard as is being suggested. If that's thuggery then Stuart Pearce should never have been allowed on the pitch & Nobby Stiles should have his World Cup winners medal revoked along with half the rest of the team all the Argentinians ever, all the Italians ever, half of the Germans & even a percentage of the Brazillians.

[london blue 2]

De Jong tackle ;-)

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodispl ... a-7081743/

Even from that ridiculous angle designed to look like he missed the ball, it's clear he didn't swing his other leg in & kick the bloke hard as is being suggested. If that's thuggery then Stuart Pearce should never have been allowed on the pitch & Nobby Stiles should have his World Cup winners medal revoked along with half the rest of the team all the Argentinians ever, all the Italians ever, half of the Germans & even a percentage of the Brazillians.

Who was that Chelsea defender the media love to harp on about, tough tackling "chopper" someone?
Edit: who cares, in a few weeks it will all be forgotton. Keane, Gerrard, Barton, Thatcher, Shawcross... they all had thier bit of controvosy... fuck it.

[david yearsley]

De Jong tackle ;-)

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodispl ... a-7081743/

Even from that ridiculous angle designed to look like he missed the ball, it's clear he didn't swing his other leg in & kick the bloke hard as is being suggested. If that's thuggery then Stuart Pearce should never have been allowed on the pitch & Nobby Stiles should have his World Cup winners medal revoked along with half the rest of the team all the Argentinians ever, all the Italians ever, half of the Germans & even a percentage of the Brazillians.

Who was that Chelsea defender the media love to harp on about, tough tackling "chopper" someone?

Ron "chopper" Harris - he took NO prisoners!

[ronk]

There are a number of posters on here who don't appear to fully grasp what being a City fan (or a "proper" supporter of any club) is all about.

They seem to have been drawn to the club by a number of factors....some of them because their favourite player signed for us, others because player/manager of their nationality joined us and interest levels in Manchester City drew them here.

No City fan should condone blatant foul play but not many on here thought, for example, what Ben Thatcher did to Pablo Mendes was OK, or acceptable.

However, ALL City fans should support the fucking club over their little favourites....or their national interests.

And I'm referring to C&C's bitching about Nigel breaking Holden's leg....which was equally not deliberate foul play, merely a very hard tackle
RIG supporting fucking Robinho over City
Mancio4ever bitching and moaning about City and its fans cos he has a hard-on for the fucking manager
.....even the Irish contingent with their blind support of the Irish players and bitching about the club when they are "slighted", dropped or sold.

We all have our fucking favourites. I was as pissed off as anyone when, say, Bellamy was sold. I loved Elano but recognised that he wasn't exactly a model team player. I might have whined a bit at the time when both left but then I got on with supporting the club and the fucking shirt.

If Nigel de Jong, Manchester City player, upsets anyones sensibilities that much well fuck off and support another club or your national team as you are not needed here

While I agree with a lot of what you say I think you're being unfair in a few ways. There have been plenty of times when there have been divisions between fans. Thatcher was more clear cut but not entirely without ambivalence. There were long standing and bitter divisions over Barton. To an extent also over Dunne and SWP. This is a board where supporters are supposed to be entitled to their opinions, it can be easy to look at a different perspective and dismiss it because the fans concerned haven't been around as long, but is that really fair? Just because someone has watched more City games, it doesn't invalidate another person's opinion of the relevant tactics. But if it was the case, then there would be no need to resort to attacking on those points.

I don't have any issue with de Jong, and I don't agree with people who take attacks from the media and opposition coaches at face value, but I wouldn't agree with telling them to support a different club just because they disagree. How would you feel about a long standing season ticket holder being told to fuck off and support Arsenal or someone if they want more attacking football?

[ant london]

I'm not talking about long standing season ticket holders who might be a bit disenchanted about the way we are playing though am I

I'm talking about people who let their own attachment to a player/manager/nationality of either come before their attachment to the club itself

The two are completely different

the former I wouldn't dream of telling to fuck off and support another club....

[Colin the King]

Basically, de Jong's not English and he plays for probably the most hated football club in the country at the moment- he's a perfect scapegoat. When Ryan Shawcross breaks some kid's leg, he's "an honest young lad with a lovely family", Lee Cattermole who has 6 red cards in his career and is only 22, is "a great young prospect with passion for the game who just needs to curb his temper a bit", any of Paul Scholes' back catalogue of horrible tackles are laughed off as "typical Scholsey, he never was the best tackler". Even Roy Keane is lauded as one of the best midfielders of his generation and the fact that he deliberately ruined someone's life is hardly ever brought up in the media.

But when Nigel makes a tackle, that in the eyes of the referee, anyone who was at Eastlands, the TV commentators and even Newcastle's assistant manager, is perfectly legal, just unfortunate- he's vilified and treated like a criminal in the press. It's no coincidence that he happens to play for City. We're 2nd in the table, we're continuing to upset the status quo, therefore those who need to preserve it are doing their level best to either divide us internally, or put us in the worst possible light to the rest of the world- whether it's going overboard with this tackle, or making a mountain out of a molehill about Tevez's relationship with Mancini (again). If we're losing, they told us it wouldn't work, if we're winning, all isn't quite as it seems.

I feel really sorry for Ben Arfa and was excited about seeing him this season, but as unfortunate as it is, de Jong doesn't deserve to be treated the way he has been in the aftermath of the tackle. If he was as reckless and stupid as some are making out, why has he never been sent off in almost two years at City?

[pears12]

Well why wasn't there this outcry when Valencia had his leg broken or when zamora did, it is clearly an accident and even newcastle staff and players thought it was accident until it was made a big deal of.. now every in for a stab and de jong.

[ant london]

on a lighter note....from a very amusing letter on F365.com

"Seeing as how all managers and players alike are always queuing up to proclaim this I was just wondering, who exactly is that sort of player? Because surely if going studs up on an opponent's chest and breaking another's leg aren't enough to get you on this illustrious list there must be some rampaging brute of a man (whose identity is presumably whispered in the shadows) who has built himself a hell of a reputation. Maybe I don't watch enough footy, so can anyone please enlighten me on this footballing man/beast's identity, or does his name dare not get a mention for fear he may be over to your house later to break both your legs?"

[Beefymcfc]

The Referee saw nothing...

The Players saw Nothing...

All of the Live Commentators saw nothing...

And, the Thousands in the Crowd screaming for him to get up saw nothing...




I rest my case, Your Honour!

[brite blu sky]

There are a number of posters on here who don't appear to fully grasp what being a City fan (or a "proper" supporter of any club) is all about.

They seem to have been drawn to the club by a number of factors....some of them because their favourite player signed for us, others because player/manager of their nationality joined us and interest levels in Manchester City drew them here.

No City fan should condone blatant foul play but not many on here thought, for example, what Ben Thatcher did to Pablo Mendes was OK, or acceptable.

However, ALL City fans should support the fucking club over their little favourites....or their national interests.

And I'm referring to C&C's bitching about Nigel breaking Holden's leg....which was equally not deliberate foul play, merely a very hard tackle
RIG supporting fucking Robinho over City
Mancio4ever bitching and moaning about City and its fans cos he has a hard-on for the fucking manager
.....even the Irish contingent with their blind support of the Irish players and bitching about the club when they are "slighted", dropped or sold.

We all have our fucking favourites. I was as pissed off as anyone when, say, Bellamy was sold. I loved Elano but recognised that he wasn't exactly a model team player. I might have whined a bit at the time when both left but then I got on with supporting the club and the fucking shirt.

If Nigel de Jong, Manchester City player, upsets anyones sensibilities that much well fuck off and support another club or your national team as you are not needed here

If Nige's tackle meant that this post got written and published, i'd have to say Thanks Nige.

Well done Ant for something that has needed to have been said for a long time.