Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[MaineRoadMemories]

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I came to the conclusion a couple of weeks ago (about 10 months into Mancini's reign so no knee jerking here) that Mancini is Rafa.

[CityGer]

'Eeees normal'

No, it's fucking brain numbing, boring shite that I no longer wish to watch. Sort it out.

Ah mate, not you as well? Its the media for fuck sake, not Mancini.

You Bobby hating bastard!!!

You're just trying to create a division on here. You're letting your feelings for Hughes rule your head. Hughes manages Fulham now, don't you know???

Tokyo adding some sanctimonious bullshit to the pile of fucking crap spouted by those (mainly by previously anti-Hughes idiots) frantically trying to convince everyone that the increasingly clueless Mancini is the answer.

I like Bobby a lot as an individual, don't want him sacked but dickheads trying to tell me and others that we are mad/reactionary/naive/foolish to question Mancini......well you can all fuck off

Didn't think my post needed a smiley.

[john68]

Dub,
You are right to raise any issues or concerns that you may have Mate.
My answer tothose concerns is that it is still far to early to consider a definitive answer.
You may well be right but we won't know that until everything that mancini has planned to do is in place.

It is always right to voice conderns and have them rationally debated. What tends to happen though is that too often rationality goes out of the window and emotion starts to rule the head. I am as disappointed as you mate at present.

[Original Dub]

Dub,
You are right to raise any issues or concerns that you may have Mate.
My answer tothose concerns is that it is still far to early to consider a definitive answer.
You may well be right but we won't know that until everything that mancini has planned to do is in place.

It is always right to voice conderns and have them rationally debated. What tends to happen though is that too often rationality goes out of the window and emotion starts to rule the head. I am as disappointed as you mate at present.

Thanks mate, I just hate when idiots start name calling for voicing concerns. The fans spoke with their feet today and rightly so.

This is a forum for football debate and debating the manager's performance and subsequently his position is a given.

[9secondlegend]

Well boo fucking hoo, a few games of football haven't gone the way you want them to. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

We don't need the media to drag us through the dirt. You just have to come on here and read this pile of fucking shite. This is exactly what the press have been wanting you to do for six months, turn on your players and your manager. And you set of thick cunts are falling for it. I wonder sometimes, I really fucking do.

Let's look at a few facts. We are 4th in the table, a nice three-point cushion ahead of Bolton in 5th. We are still in Europe. Yes, Europe. Remember that? I do. And we qualified properly not by some fucking UEFA Fair Play bollocks. And we are joint top of the group no less. OK, we are out of the league cup but every year for the last fucking thirty-odd (bar one or two) we've been out by now anyway so no real loss there in the grand scheme of things. We are not playing well but we are fucking hard to beat even when we don't play well. My old man used to say to me, "If you can't win, then a draw is the next best thing". And he is still as right now as he was when he said it.

I make no apology for being positive, even though any kind of overall positive opinion does not seem to be de rigueur these days round these parts. I fully expect the usual knobheads (I am sure you know who you are - I certainly know who you are) to misquote me or put words in my mouth that I haven't fucking said, then come out with their usual snidey shite and whatever. Blah. But even Helen fucking Keller could see that the overall trend is upwards and I am determined to remain positive about my football team, thanks very much. If you don't want to bother, you can lick my fucking hairy ringpiece.

40 odd thousand cunts just booed the team off the park.............why not email each one of them and tell them they are knob heads!!

i just got and for once i agree with you tokyo and disagree with carl. usually the opposite way round.
it wasnt pretty and it was exciting. but we are fucking 4th - FOURTH.
remember boring boring arsenal 1-0??? that is how the arsenal of now were made. its evolution. maybe im right but maybe im wrong but what i know is i am far more happier now and fell like im right behind the team now more than i ever was with hughes managing us.
and carl there was nowhere near 40k booing him .maybe 500-1000 it probably sounded more as it was like a fucking morgue in there , and one of the reasons was the old bill swarming round 110/109

[Socrates]

At the point Hughes was sacked he had won 1 league game in the last 10, Bobby has won 5 of the last 10. It really is premature to compare the two at this point.

[carl_feedthegoat]

At the point Hughes was sacked he had won 1 league game in the last 10, Bobby has won 5 of the last 10. It really is premature to compare the two at this point.

Fuck Hughes.

Up till now I dont think Mancini has given us enough reason to have that much faith in him..the football is fucking dire and before you say we are 4th I believe we could have picked ANY manager in this prem to get us this far (at least) given the money we have spent.

And to finish off....fuck hughes again.

[Blue Since 76]

At the point Hughes was sacked he had won 1 league game in the last 10, Bobby has won 5 of the last 10. It really is premature to compare the two at this point.

or he hasn't scored in the last 3 at home - depends how you want to play with the stats

Yes we're 4th, a full 3 points clear of the mighty Bolton, so appear to be on track. However, 22 points in 13 games = 65 over a season, 2 less than last season, and at least 5 less than accepted is required for 4th. I can't remember how many games/points Hughes had last season, but the reason given for his sacking was that we weren't on the right trajectory, or similar Cookism. We're not on it now either, so the only thing keeping him in a job is finding an alternative.

Don't forget, Hughes was sacked on the back of a win, once they'd lined Mancini up. If they decide Rijkaard may do better or convince a Hiddink to come, he'll be out the door without time to collect his scarf.

I said it a few days ago and nothing I've seen today has convinced me otherwise, he'll be gone in the summer. If he doesn't make 4th, he's out. If he does, we're more attractive to other coaches and I don't think Mancini is showing enough ambition to play exciting football to make you think he could win the league.

You've often re-iterated the importance of CL football to the long term aims of the club, but the revenue streams required also need people to want to watch us and want to buy shirts. At the moment, most City fans don't want to watch it, let alone neutrals. That alone may be the cause of his demise.

[brite blu sky]

Having written that, don't think for one moment I am actually enjoying waiting for a possible change in tactics. I love my City teams going forward and entertaining. I am suffering this just as much as the next bloke.

I just believe that building a team is a long term project and we as fans should allow that longer term more time to develop before making our definitive judgement. If Mancini has all his bricks stacked up and there is no improvement, I will be quick to state that he should be replaced....But not yet!...Still far too early.

With you on the first post and this is about my perspective, although i can't at the moment understand the lack of pace and simple passes when they are staring players in the face.. but that might not be Mancini's doing as he isnt on the pitch.

Passions, emotions and frustration is running high and i can understand that, but if some reactions are worthy of going by there may be a few fans no longer with us by the time Mancini gets it all together.

[Original Dub]

At the point Hughes was sacked he had won 1 league game in the last 10, Bobby has won 5 of the last 10. It really is premature to compare the two at this point.

or he hasn't scored in the last 3 at home - depends how you want to play with the stats

Yes we're 4th, a full 3 points clear of the mighty Bolton, so appear to be on track. However, 22 points in 13 games = 65 over a season, 2 less than last season, and at least 5 less than accepted is required for 4th. I can't remember how many games/points Hughes had last season, but the reason given for his sacking was that we weren't on the right trajectory, or similar Cookism. We're not on it now either, so the only thing keeping him in a job is finding an alternative.

Don't forget, Hughes was sacked on the back of a win, once they'd lined Mancini up. If they decide Rijkaard may do better or convince a Hiddink to come, he'll be out the door without time to collect his scarf.

I said it a few days ago and nothing I've seen today has convinced me otherwise, he'll be gone in the summer. If he doesn't make 4th, he's out. If he does, we're more attractive to other coaches and I don't think Mancini is showing enough ambition to play exciting football to make you think he could win the league.

You've often re-iterated the importance of CL football to the long term aims of the club, but the revenue streams required also need people to want to watch us and want to buy shirts. At the moment, most City fans don't want to watch it, let alone neutrals. That alone may be the cause of his demise.

Cracking post.

[Manx Blue]

Well boo fucking hoo, a few games of football haven't gone the way you want them to. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

We don't need the media to drag us through the dirt. You just have to come on here and read this pile of fucking shite. This is exactly what the press have been wanting you to do for six months, turn on your players and your manager. And you set of thick cunts are falling for it. I wonder sometimes, I really fucking do.

Let's look at a few facts. We are 4th in the table, a nice three-point cushion ahead of Bolton in 5th. We are still in Europe. Yes, Europe. Remember that? I do. And we qualified properly not by some fucking UEFA Fair Play bollocks. And we are joint top of the group no less. OK, we are out of the league cup but every year for the last fucking thirty-odd (bar one or two) we've been out by now anyway so no real loss there in the grand scheme of things. We are not playing well but we are fucking hard to beat even when we don't play well. My old man used to say to me, "If you can't win, then a draw is the next best thing". And he is still as right now as he was when he said it.

I make no apology for being positive, even though any kind of overall positive opinion does not seem to be de rigueur these days round these parts. I fully expect the usual knobheads (I am sure you know who you are - I certainly know who you are) to misquote me or put words in my mouth that I haven't fucking said, then come out with their usual snidey shite and whatever. Blah. But even Helen fucking Keller could see that the overall trend is upwards and I am determined to remain positive about my football team, thanks very much. If you don't want to bother, you can lick my fucking hairy ringpiece.

Here Here TB...To everyone...Supporting a club is a bit like a marriage...... For richer for poorer, in sickness and in health. If all you have to do is bitch about two performances, where we didnt get 6 points, then fuck off to Droylsden, Oldham or Trafford.

I'd rather stand by 25 or 30,000 people who'll support the club through thick and thin, rather than a bunch of trophy hunting, happy clapping, bandwagon jumping, fair-weather dickheads

[Original Dub]

Well boo fucking hoo, a few games of football haven't gone the way you want them to. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

We don't need the media to drag us through the dirt. You just have to come on here and read this pile of fucking shite. This is exactly what the press have been wanting you to do for six months, turn on your players and your manager. And you set of thick cunts are falling for it. I wonder sometimes, I really fucking do.

Let's look at a few facts. We are 4th in the table, a nice three-point cushion ahead of Bolton in 5th. We are still in Europe. Yes, Europe. Remember that? I do. And we qualified properly not by some fucking UEFA Fair Play bollocks. And we are joint top of the group no less. OK, we are out of the league cup but every year for the last fucking thirty-odd (bar one or two) we've been out by now anyway so no real loss there in the grand scheme of things. We are not playing well but we are fucking hard to beat even when we don't play well. My old man used to say to me, "If you can't win, then a draw is the next best thing". And he is still as right now as he was when he said it.

I make no apology for being positive, even though any kind of overall positive opinion does not seem to be de rigueur these days round these parts. I fully expect the usual knobheads (I am sure you know who you are - I certainly know who you are) to misquote me or put words in my mouth that I haven't fucking said, then come out with their usual snidey shite and whatever. Blah. But even Helen fucking Keller could see that the overall trend is upwards and I am determined to remain positive about my football team, thanks very much. If you don't want to bother, you can lick my fucking hairy ringpiece.

Here Here TB...To everyone...Supporting a club is a bit like a marriage...... For richer for poorer, in sickness and in health. If all you have to do is bitch about two performances, where we didnt get 6 points, then fuck off to Droylsden, Oldham or Trafford.

I'd rather stand by 25 or 30,000 people who'll support the club through thick and thin, rather than a bunch of trophy hunting, happy clapping, bandwagon jumping, fair-weather dickheads

Two performances?

You haven't really read the thread, have you mate?

[Bosnian_Supporter]

Mancini, why, but why, Tevez out Barry in ???

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Mancini, why, but why, Tevez out Barry in ???

Didn't Platt say you can't just throw strikers on and expect to score, it imbalances the team. So we take a striker off and bring a defensive midfielder on!
I remain confused by the whole game.

[john68]

Blue Since 76,

You haven't seen anything in the past, does not preclude you seeing it in the future Mate.
A bit like looking at the foundations of a house and criticising the roof...that hasn't yet been built.

Try looking at this...He changed the defence and it has proved to be successful. Our midfield ids more stable defensively, Mancini was unable to strengthen the attack with the targets he wanted. Mario was not his 1st choice and we are still looking to land a World class striker...Allow him the quality he wants to bring in and then make up your mind.
Try looking to the future and not only the past.

[zuricity]

Mancini, why, but why, Tevez out Barry in ???

Because teves was having a very poor game.
I would have taken him off earlier , he was playing for himself and not the team

[Manx Blue]

Well boo fucking hoo, a few games of football haven't gone the way you want them to. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!

We don't need the media to drag us through the dirt. You just have to come on here and read this pile of fucking shite. This is exactly what the press have been wanting you to do for six months, turn on your players and your manager. And you set of thick cunts are falling for it. I wonder sometimes, I really fucking do.

Let's look at a few facts. We are 4th in the table, a nice three-point cushion ahead of Bolton in 5th. We are still in Europe. Yes, Europe. Remember that? I do. And we qualified properly not by some fucking UEFA Fair Play bollocks. And we are joint top of the group no less. OK, we are out of the league cup but every year for the last fucking thirty-odd (bar one or two) we've been out by now anyway so no real loss there in the grand scheme of things. We are not playing well but we are fucking hard to beat even when we don't play well. My old man used to say to me, "If you can't win, then a draw is the next best thing". And he is still as right now as he was when he said it.

I make no apology for being positive, even though any kind of overall positive opinion does not seem to be de rigueur these days round these parts. I fully expect the usual knobheads (I am sure you know who you are - I certainly know who you are) to misquote me or put words in my mouth that I haven't fucking said, then come out with their usual snidey shite and whatever. Blah. But even Helen fucking Keller could see that the overall trend is upwards and I am determined to remain positive about my football team, thanks very much. If you don't want to bother, you can lick my fucking hairy ringpiece.

Here Here TB...To everyone...Supporting a club is a bit like a marriage...... For richer for poorer, in sickness and in health. If all you have to do is bitch about two performances, where we didnt get 6 points, then fuck off to Droylsden, Oldham or Trafford.

I'd rather stand by 25 or 30,000 people who'll support the club through thick and thin, rather than a bunch of trophy hunting, happy clapping, bandwagon jumping, fair-weather dickheads

Two performances?

You haven't really read the thread, have you mate?

TBH no...but if you think getting rid of the manager is going to help at this stage of the season, crack on, write e-mails, organise a protest march for all I fucking care.

We're in fourth place in touching distance of second. Yes we could have capitalised greatly this week but we didn't. If we'd have won 1-0 in each game, everyone would be happy. But as TB said, because we didnt get what people want, its typical City fan toys out of the pram again.

At the end of the day, there are three main columns...W L D...there isn't another for Unlucky defeats or Ugly wins.

[Original Dub]

Mancini, why, but why, Tevez out Barry in ???

Because teves was having a very poor game.
I would have taken him off earlier , he was playing for himself and not the team

He is our star striker and we fail when he is not on the pitch.

And if I'm not mistaken, our friend here wants to know why a defensive midfielder is seen as the ideal replacement for our star striker, when we badly needed a goal?

[edge275]

Mancini, why, but why, Tevez out Barry in ???

Because teves was having a very poor game.
I would have taken him off earlier , he was playing for himself and not the team

He is our star striker and we fail when he is not on the pitch.

And if I'm not mistaken, our friend here wants to know why a defensive midfielder is seen as the ideal replacement for our star striker, when we badly needed a goal?

This is something I don't understand either.

Allegedly, Tevez signalled to the bench to come off. I didn't see that myself, but if it's true that explains that.

What I don't understand though, is why you'd bring on Barry who is fundamentally a defensive minded midfielder.

Mancini's explanation was that it unbalances the team having a load of strikers on, but when you're near the end of a game and you need a goal, a lot of shit goes out the window.

With a few minutes remaining and needing a goal a lot of managers will throw their Goalkeepers up there for corners, it's not as if they'd do that during the middle of the game would they?

I remember a few games where Taggart would have Ronaldo, Berbatov, Tevez and Rooney all on the pitch together so I think this about 'unbalancing the team' towards the end of the game when we need a goal is bollocks.

If Tevez didn't need to come off I'd have left him there. If he did have to come off I'd have put Jo on, and failing him - Vieira, anyone but Barry!

[Blue Since 76]

Blue Since 76,

You haven't seen anything in the past, does not preclude you seeing it in the future Mate.
A bit like looking at the foundations of a house and criticising the roof...that hasn't yet been built.

Try looking at this...He changed the defence and it has proved to be successful. Our midfield ids more stable defensively, Mancini was unable to strengthen the attack with the targets he wanted. Mario was not his 1st choice and we are still looking to land a World class striker...Allow him the quality he wants to bring in and then make up your mind.
Try looking to the future and not only the past.

My post above and the one a few days ago was my opinion on what I think the club will do. They need CL football and an exciting team. Do you think the current football would fill a 60,000 seater stadium, or get people in China and India to sign up to CityTV.net? For those reasons, I think he'll be gone. He'll be seen as one of the builders, but not the operator, to sort of continue your analogy. He will be our Ranieri. None of that relates to how I feel about him, more my guess at what the club will do.

My personal opinion on him is that he deserves to be sacked. You talk about not getting all the targets and you may be right, but I'm sorry, football is like that. Did Chelsea land all their targets? Did taggart really want bebe instead of Villa? We can't go on thinking that the only route to success is buying the team. If that's the case, let's just buy Barca (the club) and transfer all the players to us. Some of it has to come down to tactics and coaching. Improve what you have, adapt and make do where necessary.

None of us know what goes on in the dressing room or at training in the Doug Free Zone, so we can only go on what we see on the pitch and at press conferences. On the pitch, we see players who aren't happy with each other. An occasional argument over a missed tackle is normal, but ours seem to be more serious, relating to work rate. Mancini openly criticises some of the players, mainly Johnson. Whilst he is right to say it to him and perhaps right to criticise his night clubbing in the press, I can't see it helps anyone if he says he's not good enough to the papers. He keeps saying the team is rubbish without Balotelli, which puts pressure on him when he returns and what does it say about the other 10, if they have to wait for a 20 year old to show them how to play football? I'm not sure the players trust/respect him anymore, hence shambles like the one today. No one seems to understand the substitutions, not least the players themselves.

Whilst the press are enjoying causing trouble, I'm beginning to think there is more truth in what they say than we'd all like to believe.