Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[Original Dub]

I felt physically sick when they scored; saw it happening as soon as Kolo hoofed it.
But now when I've calmed down a bit, all though royally pissed off that we lost two points, I'm happy with the way we played in the second half. My only gripe is that we don't have enough people in the penalty area when attacking. I also thought it was painfully clear that Milner isn't half the footballer Yaya is. If you could just combine Milner's stamina, grit and work load with Yaya's football brain and technique ...

(As Doomy)

And also... Migrane? WTF?

Just saying...

Cheers

Yada yada.

anyone with a web browser and an internet connection can figure out that migrane sufferers can sometimes be debilitated for a day or more from a migrane.

Also, his brother's fuclin hoofing antics cost us points. FACT.

Not a great days for the Brothers Toure in my book. And, back on topic, not a great day for Mancini. As SOON as Richards scores that goal Mancini should have sat young AJ back down and told Milner to fuclin shut up shop. End of Story.

Sorry if that's too simple or harsh for the "glad we got a point away at Stoke" crew, but for me today was a huge lift from that second half performance, followed by a huge letdown from a serious lack of concentration that will not only not win us the title but could cost us CL spot.

Imagine those 4 additional points we really should have earned home vs Blackburn and now away at Stoke? We're barely scraping 4th and should be comfy in 2nd with a big swinging johnson in between our legs.

Upside: This team has shown that we have the talent, i believe, to win the league this season. Finally. Let's put a nice run together and see what's what....loved to see our attacking nature in the 2nd half. That's what we need to see more of...but Mancini's inability to sense when he needed to shut up shop vs. those cloggers was imho stubborn and silly.

cheers

I suffer with migrane Brother Doom, so I know well the effects of it... I was posting as you my friend.

That aside, your post was bang on. For the first time ever.

[colonel_muck]

he's won me over a bit since fulham, and he went about it the right way yesterday. my one critisism is that i would like to see a few more shots from range. we passed it around their penalty area very nicely but there were so many of them in there it was very hard to pick someone out when they made a run, when if we'd had steven gerrard in our midfield he could have lashed one from 25 yards, which in turn would have made stoke defenders not so confident about holding up the penalty area and come out and close him down, thus freeing up space inside the area for a through ball. milner can strike from distance but seems so short of confidence i really feel sorry for him atm.

[brite blu sky]

anyone with a web browser and an internet connection can figure out that migrane sufferers can sometimes be debilitated for a day or more from a migrane.

Also, his brother's fuclin hoofing antics cost us points. FACT.

Not a great days for the Brothers Toure in my book. And, back on topic, not a great day for Mancini. As SOON as Richards scores that goal Mancini should have sat young AJ back down and told Milner to fuclin shut up shop. End of Story.

Sorry if that's too simple or harsh for the "glad we got a point away at Stoke" crew, but for me today was a huge lift from that second half performance, followed by a huge letdown from a serious lack of concentration that will not only not win us the title but could cost us CL spot.

Imagine those 4 additional points we really should have earned home vs Blackburn and now away at Stoke? We're barely scraping 4th and should be comfy in 2nd with a big swinging johnson in between our legs.

Upside: This team has shown that we have the talent, i believe, to win the league this season. Finally. Let's put a nice run together and see what's what....loved to see our attacking nature in the 2nd half. That's what we need to see more of...but Mancini's inability to sense when he needed to shut up shop vs. those cloggers was imho stubborn and silly.

cheers

I like it, solid impression of someone, sprinkled with facts like that.
As others have pointed out though it is a bit much lumping all that on Mancini. They caught us out and we should have scored more when we had the chance. I though Tevez was a little bit off the boil and ultimately it shows we still have a way to go. The players are going to be well disappointed with how that ended so there is a lesson there.
I listed the next 10 games before Fulham to highlight that we could draw 3 games and still hit a title winning form. The 3 standout difficult games were Stoke, Everton and Arsenal and that we could accept draws if we win all the others. Disappointing as fucl yes, but having an effect on our overall 'trajectory', not yet no.

[the_georgian_genius]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

[brite blu sky]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

[the_georgian_genius]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

I was under the impression that even the most seriously doubters have now come round to Mancini and will give him time?

[brite blu sky]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

I was under the impression that even the most seriously doubters have now come round to Mancini and will give him time?

You might be right, or maybe they are holding back and hiding in other threads?

[The Goose]

WeLl I'm happy to put my head above the parapet. I believe Roberto will not last beyond this season.

For whatever reasons he lacks the nouse required to take us beyond challenging Spurs for 4th.

[saulman]

WeLl I'm happy to put my head above the parapet. I believe Roberto will not last beyond this season.

For whatever reasons he lacks the nouse required to take us beyond challenging Spurs for 4th.

*bang*


We'll be fine. It'll be a bit scary at times and I'm sure the doubters will have many more doomfests before the season's out, but we'll finish comfortably in 4th or above. When that happens...(and it will), Mancini will be given the time and resources to push on for a title challenge.

Either that or he fails and gets sacked. :-)

[the_georgian_genius]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

I was under the impression that even the most seriously doubters have now come round to Mancini and will give him time?

You might be right, or maybe they are holding back and hiding in other threads?

or waiting for our next slip up???

[brite blu sky]

WeLl I'm happy to put my head above the parapet. I believe Roberto will not last beyond this season.

For whatever reasons he lacks the nouse required to take us beyond challenging Spurs for 4th.

Can only just see the top of your noggin there.. not much to aim at! How about flaunting it and telling us why you beleive he lacks the nous ?

[colonel_muck]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

I was under the impression that even the most seriously doubters have now come round to Mancini and will give him time?

You might be right, or maybe they are holding back and hiding in other threads?

or waiting for our next slip up???

i've not seen enough to convince me that he is right for the job, but i will be clinging to the fulham performance until another all out defensive display because i hate myself for the fact that this is the first manager i've ever wanted us to sack. we don't have to play like we did against fulham every week, but i'll be happy if we try, like we did yesterday against stoke.

[the_georgian_genius]

i've not seen enough to convince me that he is right for the job, but i will be clinging to the fulham performance until another all out defensive display because i hate myself for the fact that this is the first manager i've ever wanted us to sack. we don't have to play like we did against fulham every week, but i'll be happy if we try, like we did yesterday against stoke.

Big respect for that!!

[everyonehatesus]

Well im in the "not sure camp", but after 15 games we are still with in reach of the 3 (and only 3) teams above us. Every time we look like things are going to go against us the next game it pulls it's self back, this cant be luck. Maybe just maybe he is closer than we think to getting it right to a level needed for a reall top 3 push rather than loosing the plot and hanging on to a top 4.
Here's hoping.

[johnny crossan]

WeLl I'm happy to put my head above the parapet. I believe Roberto will not last beyond this season.
For whatever reasons he lacks the nouse required to take us beyond challenging Spurs for 4th.

you have a head?

[Swales4ever]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

I was under the impression that even the most seriously doubters have now come round to Mancini and will give him time?

Not unless You might find out an italian tricky way to entitle him with some british ascendent. Till then the most will track for any slip of him. I know it, You too, very few have the guts to say it openly, though.

[Beefymcfc]

To be honest, Mancini doesn't seem to have a clue

Jury's still out!

[Original Dub]

Do we have to analyse Mancini every game?

Yep.

he is a new manager and we are only just finding out what he is about and trying to do, by this time next year it will have settled down a bit. Not a lot mind!

thanks for your concern

I was under the impression that even the most seriously doubters have now come round to Mancini and will give him time?

Not unless You might find out an italian tricky way to entitle him with some british ascendent. Till then the most will track for any slip of him. I know it, You too, very few have the guts to say it openly, though.

Mate, you must be one of the most paranoid cunts on here.

Seriously, you are trying to imply people don't like Mancini because he's Italian????! Nothing to do with football then...

That coupled with your sig... seriously, loosen up mate. Chill out because what you're accusing quite a lot of people on here of both towards you and our manager is fucking nasty.

[The Goose]

WeLl I'm happy to put my head above the parapet. I believe Roberto will not last beyond this season.
For whatever reasons he lacks the nouse required to take us beyond challenging Spurs for 4th.

you have a head?

Excellent post there mate. You really showed me the cut of your gib. In fact I'm going to reassess my thoughts on Mancio based on your post.

Any chance of another ex manager current manager head to head stat graphic YouTube video please? I really need some clarity on how marginally improving on relatively speaking one of the worst managers the club has ever had is progress in this age of sudden austerity at MCFC.

[brite blu sky]

i've not seen enough to convince me that he is right for the job, but i will be clinging to the fulham performance until another all out defensive display because i hate myself for the fact that this is the first manager i've ever wanted us to sack. we don't have to play like we did against fulham every week, but i'll be happy if we try, like we did yesterday against stoke.

Big respect for that!!

Mancini is treading a fine line imo. He has certain basic demands, like a disciplined formation that aids defensive stability and offers some level of security. Fair enough.. build from the back and all that. On top of that he obviously has ideas of what he wants and the players he has brought in show that, but he has to balance what he wants with learning how to deal with the prem himself and getting the players to do what he wants. The fine line imo is between the basics and the push for the ideal while getting results. You could argue that playing Balotelli with his experience of the prem was a real gamble and probably stacked against paying off. But Mancini knows that he has to get such players up to speed and suffer the ineffectiveness in the short term. He is, and has done that all season and has admitted that the aim is to stay in touch until we are a better unit.
We are difficult to beat as the first half at Stoke showed, we are also getting there as the second half showed.

It is clear that he is making some marginal decisions, that dont pay off and can be questioned, but the vast majority are just waiting to see and giving some leeway. My own opinion is that we have been pretty sh*te and sort of got away with it, but i dont think we have been crap because of Bobby Manc, or at least not just bcos of him, i take the facts that a lot of new players had to get used to the prem and each other, a lot were out and not least key attackers like Adebayor have been a bit of a disgrace.

We are still far from being there.. i would say in player understanding, but the only answer to that is to play competitive games and build on that through the training. I see Mancini's beligerent side, so he will push the team he wants even if it costs us in the shorter term. I might be wrong but i think he wants to show the players in action his vision of what they should be doing at best, he then has a tangible example of what they can achieve and will demand that all the squad live up to that standard. As we haven't yet achieved that it is still in the air somewhere.

At some point we will utterly annihilate a decent team, i think that will be this season, possibly not that far off, and it will set the tone for the squad as a whole and every game we play.