POSITIVELY CITY

[john68]

If there is one thing that has really annoyed me since I 1st registered on here, it's the attitude and wrong belief of so many City fans that we "always screw up". it is abject nonsense and it is just not true. Whether it's the media reportage or the constant taunting of the rags, I don't know but having spent so many years defending our club's record against fans of other clubs, it pisses me off that I seem to have to defend City's record against our own supporters.

It was funny for a short time and gave birth to our self deprecating sense of humour but more and more, it seems to have become ingrained in many City fans, as some sort of (false) reality.

Frannie Lee's "Cups for Cock ups" was meant as tongue in cheek. "Typical City" lends itself much to the rags and the media and since when did we have to allow those two areas of shite to dictate how we think about our club and our heritage?

In the recent past, it seems we were happy to allow this "City are shit" definition as a positive factor to show how long suffering, brave and loyal we were in the face of failure but we don't need to think like this anymore.

Thoughts please

[Wooders]

for a lot of us who are under 35 mate this is very real and very true problem at city, you're one of the lucky ones who were there for the good old days and should consider yourself lucky but try to see it from our point of view
I've had 30 years of typical city and very little else to cheer on, aside from the odd promotion here and there - we were seconds away from fucking that up as well in one case as I am sure you recall :)

[Beeks]

We need a rousing speech from you before the derby old man ;-)

[Alioune DVToure]

"Typical City" for me just stands for how unpredictable we've always been.

Case in point:

November 2003 - Lose 3-1 to a then-League One Wigan side and bounce back with a 3-1 derby win at the weekend.

Another:

Play like absolute shit all through the 2004/05 season, change the manager for the last 8/9 games, shoot up the table, miss out on Europe through a missed penalty kick.

Typical City.

[Kiss_The_Goat]

Agree 100% John. Its football is unpredictable, not just City. Its the same with almost every team.

And the good fortune of Sheikh Mansour buying and plowing his billions into City I would say makes us one of the luckiest teams on the planet! Nothing typical about that.

Time to get any negativity out of your heads. It does nothing for the team or for us as fans.

[brite blu sky]

I dont think you can blame fans for thinking typical City.. i mean it is just so ingrained for such a long time. That said though i think it is the same for any team that hasn't won anything for a while or consistently.. i mean if you dont win then at some point you get the typical throw it all away loss.. and lets face it that describes most clubs, teams and fans. Nearly all teams big themselves up and play heroics against top teams and don't turn up against the minnows.. that's not exclusive to City at all.
Although no where near as old as john68, i'm old enough to remember when we were the best team in the land, and yes the expectation was different.. no fears or worries going into games.
I dont know what has cooked john's goose this time round.. is it to do with all the negativity as to how well we will do this season? If so then i can understand people not getting their expectations up.. as it will just seem like so many times before. There is a big big difference though nowadays and this season.. and basically we shouldn't be worried, the team is pretty much a different entity than most will ever remember and like the other teams at the top of the table we are in there and can be reasonably confident that we will continue to be and like the others be in with a shout of the top spots. The whole league could come down to a last day scramble yet with all sorts of possibilities. There is no reason to believe that City will throw their chances of being in that any more than any other of the teams fighting at the top.
It does well to remember also that City have only just been getting this team together this year.

[john68]

It's a goose that has been cooking for a long time BBS and one that I have found myself constantly having to battle against almost all my life. At school it was the rags who used the Munich sympathy tactic and then their success through the late 50s and early 60s to hammer us with. Their attitude towards us was condescending at best and we were irrelevant to them at worst. In the last 30 odd years, like most on here, I have similarly been under the cosh from them pounding their success and our failures into my ears. The media have also played their part with their rag arse licking. More recently the media have become more agressively anti City.

I have spent aroung 50 years defending our club against all comers. Attacks on City's record and heritage from outside annoys me but I expect it. What does piss me off is the same nonsense coming from City fans.

We have all the resources we need to succeed. We have already travelled a long way from mid table obscurity to battling it out at the top. We are within touching distance of a trophy, with everything in place to progress even higher, yet we still get comments from City fans diminishing our efforts and irrationally writing us off simply because of what has happened in the recent past.

[Alioune DVToure]

It's a goose that has been cooking for a long time BBS and one that I have found myself constantly having to battle against almost all my life. At school it was the rags who used the Munich sympathy tactic and then their success through the late 50s and early 60s to hammer us with. Their attitude towards us was condescending at best and we were irrelevant to them at worst. In the last 30 odd years, like most on here, I have similarly been under the cosh from them pounding their success and our failures into my ears. The media have also played their part with their rag arse licking. More recently the media have become more agressively anti City.

I have spent aroung 50 years defending our club against all comers. Attacks on City's record and heritage from outside annoys me but I expect it. What does piss me off is the same nonsense coming from City fans.

We have all the resources we need to succeed. We have already travelled a long way from mid table obscurity to battling it out at the top. We are within touching distance of a trophy, with everything in place to progress even higher, yet we still get comments from City fans diminishing our efforts and irrationally writing us off simply because of what has happened in the recent past.

I've never been offended by the term "typical City," which for me is a term of endearment. I've had my season ticket since 1993. Since then a handful of good seasons (1998/99, 1999/2000, 2001/02, 2002/03, 2007/08, 2009/10 and 2010/11) a lot of shit (1994-8) and a lot of mediocrity (2003-2007).

But never a dull moment - lots of hopes, disappointments, false dawns and resurgences. We ARE a quirky club and I love it personally. Don't give a fuck what the munes or the press make of it/us. If it all goes to shit in the next year or two (which I very much doubt), we'll still be City. No other club can say that!

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think it's just a defence mechanism.

[Kladze]

I've been a City fan since 1964 John and I have to say that even then we were already considered to be a club where anything could, and probably would, happen next.

"Typical City" is a tag that doesn't worry me at all - because it's the truth.

[CitizenYank]

It's a goose that has been cooking for a long time BBS and one that I have found myself constantly having to battle against almost all my life. At school it was the rags who used the Munich sympathy tactic and then their success through the late 50s and early 60s to hammer us with. Their attitude towards us was condescending at best and we were irrelevant to them at worst. In the last 30 odd years, like most on here, I have similarly been under the cosh from them pounding their success and our failures into my ears. The media have also played their part with their rag arse licking. More recently the media have become more agressively anti City.

I have spent aroung 50 years defending our club against all comers. Attacks on City's record and heritage from outside annoys me but I expect it. What does piss me off is the same nonsense coming from City fans.

We have all the resources we need to succeed. We have already travelled a long way from mid table obscurity to battling it out at the top. We are within touching distance of a trophy, with everything in place to progress even higher, yet we still get comments from City fans diminishing our efforts and irrationally writing us off simply because of what has happened in the recent past.

Good comment. All I can add is this:

"When you win championships, they stop making fun of you."

-Some Famous Manager

[john68]

It's not the typical city tag that grates, it's the irrational belief that emanates from some City fans that we can't succeed because we never have.
Typical City can often have amusing connotations. When it is used to define our future, it is not funny.

[Ted Hughes]

I know what you're saying but unfortunately, we keep doing typical City type stuff. The 'shoot ourselves in the foot' kind of nonsense for which we are famous, keeps on coming even with all our resources. We can't just operate in a logical, sensible way.

If Balotelli relapses, Tevez gets injured & we watch Ade & Bellamy doing a perfectly good job for other teams; that will be classic, typical City, especially if Jo misses the open net that would give us 4th place. Putting out a weakened side & losing to WBA in the cup after winning fuck all for 30 odd years was typical City. Losing a ridiculous goal to Everton, a few minutes after kick off when we could have gone top of the league was typical City. We have an opportunity to do something different on Saturday. If we do it right, that will be a big step.

If we want to get rid of the 'typical City' tag though, we need to stop doing 'typical City' things.

[Kladze]

It's not the typical city tag that grates, it's the irrational belief that emanates from some City fans that we can't succeed because we never have.
Typical City can often have amusing connotations. When it is used to define our future, it is not funny.

See where you're coming from now - I can agree to that :-)

[CitizenYank]

I know what you're saying but unfortunately, we keep doing typical City type stuff. The 'shoot ourselves in the foot' kind of nonsense for which we are famous, keeps on coming even with all our resources. We can't just operate in a logical, sensible way.

If Balotelli relapses, Tevez gets injured & we watch Ade & Bellamy doing a perfectly good job for other teams; that will be classic, typical City, especially if Jo misses the open net that would give us 4th place. Putting out a weakened side & losing to WBA in the cup after winning fuck all for 30 odd years was typical City. Losing a ridiculous goal to Everton, a few minutes after kick off when we could have gone top of the league was typical City. We have an opportunity to do something different on Saturday. If we do it right, that will be a big step.

If we want to get rid of the 'typical City' tag though, we need to stop doing 'typical City' things.

Maybe you need to take Donald Sutherland's advice:

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[SORTED]

...it's the attitude and wrong belief of so many City fans that we "always screw up". it is abject nonsense and it is just not true.

John, unfortunately you're wrong mate.

Until we actually win something (again) then we will have at some point or another "screwed up".

Despite what the fans may think a Semi-Final appearance, or dare I say it a defeat in a cup final is still failure however you want to dress it up.

However I will concede that progress in the Premier League is a different kettle of fish altogether insofar as a top 4 finish this season would be seen as a sign of our continuing development and ultimately see us edge further along the road to realising our main objective...to actually fuckin' win a tin pot or two!

[john68]

Since the Football League began over 100 years ago, only 23 teams have won the League Championship. There are only 13 teams, currently in the Premier League that have stood the test of time, not faded into history and remained competetive. We have won it twice and are the 11th most successful English League club. We are one of only 9 current Premier league clubs that have won ALL the major domestic honours.
We are one of only 10 current Premier League Clubs that have won a European trophy.
In total, we have won 9 major trophies and are joint 9th in that ranking.
We have won the FA Cup 4 times and remain 11th in that all time ranking.

In reality, that might not make us the "Best team in all the World and all the land" but considering how many clubs have come and gone over the years and where we began in the gutters of West Gorton, that is a pretty impressive record already and one that we have every chance of improving on.

The "Unpredictables" was an early tag that City earned over the years but it never stopped us being successful and challenging for honours over the years.

I reiterate...I have no problem with that part of Typical City that is a humourous observation of some of our club's apparent quirky nature, but I have a major problenm when what should be a humourous joke is used to rationally define that we can't be successful.

[CityFanFromRome]

Well I have not been a fan for as long as many others, but I see "Typical City" as a tag to express that we could beat Barcelona 3-0 and then next week get hammered by a third tier side in the FA Cup; completely unpredictable and thus in a way frustrating to us fans. But this doesn't mean we can't be successful, just that probably we will be less than other more reliable sides who, when faced with lesser opposition, do their job 90% of the time instead than only 50 or 60%.

I'd still prefer one cup/title as a City fan than ten as a rag though.

[john68]

I'm sorry Mate but there was one sentence in that post that exemplified just what i am talking about.
I'll give you that we can beat barca one week and follow it with a loss to a lower club but the bit that you add...that we will probably be less successful than other more reliable sides....is absolute gargage mate.

All teams suffer from that and most suffer it more than us. The rags got a good dose of it at weekend but nobody suggests it is part of their club culture.
We sit within reach of the league title and the onlt reason some can find is not that we may not be good enough yet, nor that it mu=ight be just a season too early in our development ....but that we as a club are bound to fuck up because we always have in the past...bollox.

[CityFanFromRome]

I'm sorry Mate but there was one sentence in that post that exemplified just what i am talking about.
I'll give you that we can beat barca one week and follow it with a loss to a lower club but the bit that you add...that we will probably be less successful than other more reliable sides....is absolute gargage mate.

All teams suffer from that and most suffer it more than us. The rags got a good dose of it at weekend but nobody suggests it is part of their club culture.
We sit within reach of the league title and the onlt reason some can find is not that we may not be good enough yet, nor that it mu=ight be just a season too early in our development ....but that we as a club are bound to fuck up because we always have in the past...bollox.

I see what you mean John, but what I meant is more connected to cups than to the league; while the occasional cup upset can happen to Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and the rags too, because of our "nature" of being unpredictable we are more exposed to it than them. An example, in the last two seasons we have been dumped from the FA Cup once by Forest at home, and then by Stoke, which while being a Prem team, is still a lesser side than us, and we couldn't beat them in two games. So both times we have been dumped out of the cup by a lesser side, not to mention this year's League Cup where we lost to WBA; Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Scum wouldn't have been dumped out of cup competitions by lesser sides thrice in three seasons. And that's not considering how hard we ar emaking our run in the FA Cup this year, with two replays against opposition which is not even in the Prem. I'm not saying we should win all these games 10-0 but even fielding the second string we could win these games, then there might be the odd occasion when it doesn't happen; for us it's almost a rule though, not an odd occasion.

Of course, in a 38 games league, everyone is going to slip up here and there, even against lesser opposition, and it only becomes a matter of who does that the less and thus drops the less points.