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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Chinners » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:09 am

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Just to go off at a bit of a tangent, whenever I think of Paul Lake and all the unfulfilled potential, I also think of (the underrrated)Mel Machin and what he might have been able to achieve at City.

He basically had to work on a shoestring and brought a load of youngsters into the side. Inevitably, when results were variable, Swales panicked and sacked him with the comment that he had no rapport with the fans.

Always thought Machin had a raw deal with us although, to be fair, his subsequent career never amounted to much.


I didn't mind Machin, legend manager in my book picking a bunch of kids + the league's smallest keeper in Paul Cooper and promptly put 5 past the then ridiculously expensive assembled rag whores .... good on ya Mel
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Mase » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:15 am

Don't think he would have ever been as good as Jo, but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby One cap Whitey » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:00 pm

Great goal from Lakey around 1.29 in this vid.......

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Re: Paul Lake

Postby walmai » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:55 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
walmai wrote:Couldn't see any other post on the subject, so, here's a good read for you City lot, from the Guardian.

Don't matter what shirt he wore, any football fan can be sorry he never had the career his talent deserved.


Thanks for pointer. what is your take on Sam A. My in laws and evryone else are all Hammers mad being from Hornchurch and that.


2 quite opposing views, vying for dominance in my mind.

I actually don't like him and think his reputation as a long-ball merchant is on fairly solid grounds. I also have a sneaking suspicion that he coached his teams to do things like block off keepers...

But, and its a colossal but, I think he's a good shout to drum some proper discipline into the shower of shite team I support.

So, he's a necessary evil, by the looks of it.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Goaters 103 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:26 pm

walmai wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:
walmai wrote:Couldn't see any other post on the subject, so, here's a good read for you City lot, from the Guardian.

Don't matter what shirt he wore, any football fan can be sorry he never had the career his talent deserved.


Thanks for pointer. what is your take on Sam A. My in laws and evryone else are all Hammers mad being from Hornchurch and that.


2 quite opposing views, vying for dominance in my mind.

I actually don't like him and think his reputation as a long-ball merchant is on fairly solid grounds. I also have a sneaking suspicion that he coached his teams to do things like block off keepers...

But, and its a colossal but, I think he's a good shout to drum some proper discipline into the shower of shite team I support.

So, he's a necessary evil, by the looks of it.


I think Alladyce will assure you are in the top 6 at worst Walmai, and will arrest the slide and bring some wins and positivity down at your place - something you'll probably enjoy after all the negativity of the last 2 years.

On Lakey I am sure you can empathise, with Dean Ashton being cut down in his prime for you when he had many years ahead at the top.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby ruralblue » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:31 pm

Lakey, what could have been? Wow in the short period of his playing days he showed what talent he would have had should he not have got injured. The club stuck by him for years and I for one was chuffed when he became an Ambassador. Won't buy his book, as I ain't a reader, but will look at the pictures in it in WH Smiths!
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Goataldo » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:27 pm

Top top player.

I was there when he did his knee the first time. THinkit was a night game against Villa. Proper hushed crowd as he got stretchered off - you just knew it was bad.

Saw him last year at City and said 'Alright Lakey!' and he was proper chirpy with his 'Alright mate', made me feel like I actually was his mate. Legend.

I'm not normally one to slate the dead, but the whole sorry affair just makes me despise Peter Swales even more.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby walmai » Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:07 pm

Goaters 103 wrote:I think Alladyce will assure you are in the top 6 at worst Walmai, and will arrest the slide and bring some wins and positivity down at your place - something you'll probably enjoy after all the negativity of the last 2 years.

On Lakey I am sure you can empathise, with Dean Ashton being cut down in his prime for you when he had many years ahead at the top.


Well, I think you're right.

I remember Paul Lake very well. As my 1000th post will testify. It didn't matter that I was an 'away' fan on the Kippax - City weren't playing my lot anyway - to see him hit the deck and then, a second later, the whole stadium fall silent, will live for me for a long time.

I'm a seasoned football watcher; I've seen something similar; Jon Spector came close to breaking his neck in front of us a few years back, but that silence was really quite eerie.

I should note that's not my only memory of the fella, but its a lasting one.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Hazy2 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:58 am

walmai wrote:
Goaters 103 wrote:I think Alladyce will assure you are in the top 6 at worst Walmai, and will arrest the slide and bring some wins and positivity down at your place - something you'll probably enjoy after all the negativity of the last 2 years.

On Lakey I am sure you can empathise, with Dean Ashton being cut down in his prime for you when he had many years ahead at the top.


Well, I think you're right.

I remember Paul Lake very well. As my 1000th post will testify. It didn't matter that I was an 'away' fan on the Kippax - City weren't playing my lot anyway - to see him hit the deck and then, a second later, the whole stadium fall silent, will live for me for a long time.

I'm a seasoned football watcher; I've seen something similar; Jon Spector came close to breaking his neck in front of us a few years back, but that silence was really quite eerie.

I should note that's not my only memory of the fella, but its a lasting one.



I hear from my Father in law when Brian Deane ? signed the reception he got silence.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby patrickblue » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:20 am

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... obiography

Paul Lake, whose career with Manchester City was brought to a cruel end by injury, pulls no punches in his moving autobiography

James Robson

July 27, 2011
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Lake, right, with Ian Brightwell, left, and Andy Hinchcliffe Lake, right, with Ian Brightwell, left, and Andy Hinchcliffe

Ask any Manchester City fan fortunate enough to see him play and they will tell that Paul Lake had the potential to be a world beater.

Not a world beater in the manner of countless starlets who fall by the wayside when the brutal reality of the professional game hits them like a ton of bricks. But a genuinely special talent, who was handed the captaincy of his beloved Blues, aged just 21 and, after narrowly missing out on Italia 90, was tipped by Bobby Robson as a future skipper of his country.

Powerful, graceful, athletic and versatile, Lake could play anywhere from full back to withdrawn striker. But far from the dreaded ‘utility player’, he was simply so good that no matter where you played him, the team would be all the stronger for it.

More of a Duncan Edwards than John O’Shea, if you like.

He was still in his early twenties when Sky changed the face of football forever, making superstars of even average players.

It is no exaggeration to predict Lake could have been every bit as big as Paul Gascoigne, Alan Shearer and David Beckham.

Instead, this Premier League player had to resort to renting out his modest house in Heaton Mersey because he couldn’t afford his £1,000-a-month mortgage.

Crippled

This would-be legend for club and country suffered the indignity of moving back in with his parents – and had to beg his employers to pay for potentially career-saving knee surgery in the US.

Lake’s story – told in heart-breaking detail in his autobiography, I’m Not Really Here – chronicles the series of incidents that saw City and England robbed of one its brightest stars.

Three cruciate knee ligament injuries left him in danger of being crippled, let alone ending his career before it had even begun.

But the most depressing part of Lake’s tale is a frightened young man’s feeling of isolation, neglect and sheer terror. A heady combination that led to his descent into depression.

He believes his career could have been saved if he had received the same treatment for his initial injury, in September 1990, later afforded to players like Niall Quinn and Richard Edghill.

Instead, he endured six soul-destroying years of setbacks and false dawns before being advised that he would end up in a wheelchair if he didn’t give up the fight.

England manager Graham Taylor was watching Lake when his knee gave way for the first time, intercepting a pass to Tony Cascarino during a game against Aston Villa.

Lake recalled: “As I hit the deck I felt a weird clunk in my knee, followed by a sharp, searing pain.

“I lay on the pitch in the foetal position, frozen with shock, totally unaware that my life had changed forever.” After X-rays, Lake says he was told he’d be out of action for six weeks and given a ‘basic rehab programme’.

It was only after he broke down in training that he underwent keyhole surgery to reveal a rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament.

He would receive pioneering surgery and spend much of the next year rehabilitating at the FA’s School of Excellence in Lilleshall. Set to make his comeback in June 1991, he broke down again in a practice match, enduring a ‘sickeningly familiar’ pain in his knee.

He returned for the start of the 1992 season, but admits he should never have been on the pitch when his ligament snapped for a third time against Middlesbrough.

On the advice of fellow players, Ian Durrant and John Salako, he decided that a trip to Los Angeles specialist Dr Domenick Sisto was the only way to salvage his career – but says he was met with opposition from then City chairman Peter Swales. Lake said: “Loath to foot the bill, and reluctant to admit any culpability for my predicament, he sanctioned the surgery only after Peter Reid had convinced him that we’d exhausted all options in England, and that an op in the States was my last chance.

“I think Swales also felt under pressure from certain sections of the media, as well as some vocal supporters, who’d started to ask pointed questions as to why I hadn’t received the same treatment as Salako and Durrant in the first place.

“I believe Swales saw my injury as both an irritant and an embarrassment. He gave the distinct impression that I was the failure, and that my ongoing knee problem was somehow my fault and nobody else’s.

“He’d never shown any sympathy for what I was going through, hadn’t once picked up the phone to check how I was.

“I grew to despise the man, my hackles rising every time I caught sight of his Brillo-pad hairdo or his Bri-nylon suit.”

In LA, Dr Sisto was shocked by the state of Lake’s knee.

“He’d seen quarterbacks smashed into by huge linebackers who had more stable joints than mine,” said Lake.

“But what he couldn’t fathom out was why I was seeing him so late in the day.

“‘If I’d seen you straight away you’d have been back playing soccer by now,’ he said.”

Lake’s relationship with City disintegrated further when he says they refused to pay for his girlfriend to fly out to his bedside. Instead it took a whip round from his team-mates to cover the flight.

But his feelings towards his club reached an all-time low when, six days after his operation, with his knee in a fragile state, he was booked into a cramped economy class seat.

“Presuming that the airport staff had made a mistake, I explained that I’d just had a serious operation on my knee, and that my employers would have made the necessary arrangements to ensure I had an extra spacious seat,” he said.

“I hadn’t been mistaken and, not for the first time, I’d been left distinctly underwhelmed by my club’s idea of aftercare.

“It shouldn’t have taken a rocket scientist to question the wisdom of shoving a 6ft 1in guy on crutches, recovering from major surgery, into such a confined space.

“It made me realise just how low in status I’d sunk – and made me ask myself again why I was being put through such physical and mental torture.

“I had to request a wheelchair after touching down at Manchester airport. The eight-hour flight had inevitably taken its toll, and my knee was now so contorted that I could hardly walk.”

Lake was later told that the ordeal of the flight had contributed to the depression he would go on to suffer.

But his grievances with the club he’d supported from boyhood didn’t end there.

Despite signing a long-term contract shortly before his initial injury, much of his salary depended on performance-related add ons.

“Without any appearance money or win bonuses, my income had almost halved, my bank balance had withered to nothing and I was struggling to afford the £1,000-per-month mortgage on my house,” he said. “I had no option but to rent it out to cover the monthly repayments, and use my parents’ place as a base whenever I was training up in Manchester.”

He says he had to undergo his rehabilitation in virtual isolation at various gyms in Manchester.

Pounding

But, ultimately, it was to no avail. At the end of 1995, Lake was told he’d have to call it a day or risk being crippled by his disintegrating knee.

Gone were the dreams of surpassing Alan Oakes’ 676 appearances for City and Colin Bell’s 48 England caps.

He trained then worked as a pysiotherapist until last year and is now an ambassador for City in the Community. But his knee problems go on.

He said: “I’m riddled with osteo-arthritis, and with muscles that are gradually wasting away, it gives me grief every waking hour.

“I’ve lived with the pain for nearly two decades now, and the constant, pounding soreness and the sharp, stabbing twinges have become part of my daily life.

“My left leg hasn’t been in great shape, either. After years trying to compensate for my right limb, it’s recently begun to bow very badly and earlier this year I had yet more surgery to straighten it.

“The way things are going, it’s looking likely that I’ll become one of the youngest ex-professionals to undergo a double knee replacement.

“I’m trying to stave off the operation for as long as I can since prosthetic knees have a life span of between 10 and 15 years – with a maximum of two per lifetime. I don’t really fancy consigning my 70-year-old self to a wheelchair.”

Lake says he doesn’t know if he’ll be remembered as one of City’s youngest ever captains, his part in the infamous 5-1 derby win against United in 89 or for his snapped cruciate.

The truth is, he deserved to be remembered for so much more.

I’m Not Really Here – A Life of Two Halves, by Paul Lake is published by Century and on sale now, priced £14.99.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Slim » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:36 am

The truth is, he deserved to be remembered for so much [strike]more[/strike]less.


Fixed it.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Mike J » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:03 pm

finished reading his book today..... just superb.

each and every blue should read this. seems such a top bloke after all his problems and absolutelyt adores the club.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby stvncks » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:50 am

King Kev wrote:I will definitely be buying the book when it comes out.

Lakey is a top bloke and should have had a long and successful career.



Will buy it too! :)
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby irblinx » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:20 pm

It is strange looking back, he was a great loss to English football, a travesty for him personally and he was treated terribly by the club he still loves. There was deffo a tear in my eye as he hobbled out for his testimonial. Love the guy to bits and can't wait to get the time to read his book.

But he probably wouldn't have made a huge difference to us, had he not been injured we'd have sold him for less than he was worth and Swales would have done his best Paul Daniels impression with the proceeds. We'd have watched him become a superstar in some other team and he wouldn't have been the legend he is to us today.

It truly is a funny old game! The hope has to be that 1. We have a good enough management team (right up to and including the sheikh) that we would never treat any footballer on our books (not just ones as promising as Lake was) in such a shoddy manner. 2. That sports science has improved to the point that no player ends his career with this sort of injury. And 3. That City are no longer the type of club that has to sell the likes of Lake, Flitcroft, young SWP, Kinkladze etc
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Spurge » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:49 am

Mike J wrote:finished reading his book today..... just superb.

each and every blue should read this. seems such a top bloke after all his problems and absolutelyt adores the club.


I'm currently recovering from surgery 2 days ago to repair my arterior cruciate ligament and am waiting to receive my copy of Paul Lake's book sometime in the next day or so. Being like many on here a long suffering blue the Paul Lake era (along with some of the other excellent young talent coming through the ranks at the time) gave blues fans real hope for a brighter future and Lakey was without doubt the cream of an impressive crop.

It will be interesting to read his story especially considering my own current situation, which I'm sure will only reaffirm quite how far surgery has improved over the last 20 years or so. I was misdiagnosed also, medial ligaments was the hospitals verdict over a year ago, with a 2 month recovery span. But without a functioning cruciate ligament you are vulnerable to cartlidge tears which is also painful and prompted me to seek further advice.

My physio suggested a torn meniscus (cartlidge) and and an MRI scan but had ruled out cruciate ligament damage,they also referred me to a consultant, the consultant instantly diagnosed a ruptured cruciate just by getting me to lay on my back and getting me to brimg my knees up then grabbing the back of my calf and giving it a quick shake - the MRI scan confimred as much and the rest is history now.

Just seems that despite the advancment in medicine for corrective surgery that getting the right diagnosis is still such a long and winding road.
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Re: Paul Lake

Postby Fullartj » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:51 am

Great goal from a great player!
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