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[BobKowalski]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

[Cocacolajojo1]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

I love you

[Chinners]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

I can't speak for others but in my case ..... nope

[Beefymcfc]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

I did say it was another debate but some would say it had come off the back off a succession of continued success with the previous incumbents defence allowing them the grace (or you could say the United affect) to change the back-line while contining with the forward thinking tactics that he has kept with. Once the old guard, the experience and mentally strong players, began to drain from the club then this has left him with a gapeing hole in his tactics that he hasn't been able to fix.

As I said though mate, another debate.

[PeterParker]

I think Wenger did great things because he had Henry, simple as that. The frenchman was on of the most important foreign players in the history of Premier League and he made his mark on Arsenal's way of playing. I think after 2005, the lack of succes that they had was because they were lacking a team leader like Adams, Dixon, Henry, etc. They had Gallas, Kolo, Cesc, but all weren't the type that Arse had in the past.

[BobKowalski]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

I can't speak for others but in my case ..... nope

Well that shut me up...

[BobKowalski]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

I did say it was another debate but some would say it had come off the back off a succession of continued success with the previous incumbents defence allowing them the grace (or you could say the United affect) to change the back-line while contining with the forward thinking tactics that he has kept with. Once the old guard, the experience and mentally strong players, began to drain from the club then this has left him with a gapeing hole in his tactics that he hasn't been able to fix.

As I said though mate, another debate.

Clearly Wenger has failed to replicate the mentality of some of the players that have left and mentality seems to have been Arsenal's biggest flaw in recent years and the gap in success means that no one is now left who knows what it is like or what it takes to win trophies. Arguably Wenger's failure is down to not winning a Carling Cup or two between '05 and '10. If there had been a continuum of success even at a lower level then the PL or CL then it would have helped the team fully develop into a major force for the bigger trophies.

Its what Wenger does now that is the big question. Start again with the same model? Not sure the fans will go for it. Adapt and bow to the 'must buy a goalie and an English type CB' brigade. Not sure that Wenger will go for that as the possession type model dictates you don't need that in your team ala Barca winning the CL final with Mascherano as a CB and Wenger is committed to possession philosophy - or stubborn depending on your viewpoint.

What Arsenal cannot do is fail to qualify for CL so some short term thinking is almost inevitable and Wenger will need to go for more short term fixes when it comes to spending this season.

And as I type this Fabregas is now officially gone...?

...and breath

[Beefymcfc]

Edited: Seen.

Anyway, Sky now reporting that the Spanish press are saying that Cesc will be paraded tomorrow as a Barca player and that he will be joining the club for the Charity Shield game (their equivalent).

This for me is still having a big affect on Nasri's move with Wenger struggling to keep hold of him with the lure of him playing the Fabregas role. The board are probably forcing Arsene's hand but he is holding out until the last for a change of mind. I would've thought Nasri is adamant by now and it's only a matter of time before Wenger realises it's over.

What a fucking time Wenger's having eh, poor soul.

[Beefymcfc]

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

I did say it was another debate but some would say it had come off the back off a succession of continued success with the previous incumbents defence allowing them the grace (or you could say the United affect) to change the back-line while contining with the forward thinking tactics that he has kept with. Once the old guard, the experience and mentally strong players, began to drain from the club then this has left him with a gapeing hole in his tactics that he hasn't been able to fix.

As I said though mate, another debate.

Clearly Wenger has failed to replicate the mentality of some of the players that have left and mentality seems to have been Arsenal's biggest flaw in recent years and the gap in success means that no one is now left who knows what it is like or what it takes to win trophies. Arguably Wenger's failure is down to not winning a Carling Cup or two between '05 and '10. If there had been a continuum of success even at a lower level then the PL or CL then it would have helped the team fully develop into a major force for the bigger trophies.

Its what Wenger does now that is the big question. Start again with the same model? Not sure the fans will go for it. Adapt and bow to the 'must buy a goalie and an English type CB' brigade. Not sure that Wenger will go for that as the possession type model dictates you don't need that in your team ala Barca winning the CL final with Mascherano as a CB and Wenger is committed to possession philosophy - or stubborn depending on your viewpoint.

What Arsenal cannot do is fail to qualify for CL so some short term thinking is almost inevitable and Wenger will need to go for more short term fixes when it comes to spending this season.

And as I type this Fabregas is now officially gone...?

...and breath

Agreed mate and that is Wenger's biggest failing. I can't see him wanting to give up the reign's at Arsenal but I just feel that the board will be looking to change soon. Wenger's done a sterling job but has been living off the past for too long, falling into the trap of believing he can get by on fancy football whilst making the club quite a few quid. It only lasts so long before the avarage fan starts to think 'Wait-up, everyone else is winning trophies, where's ours', afterall, they are contenders aren't they?

[Blue Blood]

All this Wenger, is he good, is he bad, is he lucky talk has got me thinking...

Imagine this, Bobby and Wenger left City and Arsenal respectively and Wenger took control of this current city squad.

He'd win us the league wouldn't he, you just know he would, the current squad screams at times "let me off the leash" but Mancini reins it in and sticks to the Italiano 1-0 way.

If Wenger brought the philosophy of his Arsenal team and instilled it into our current crop, building off the rock solid defence and strong characters that we have, it would be magical, we'd evolve another step.

Which raises the question in my mind that if I'm so certain Wenger would win us the league why am I also certain Mancini won't..

Is Mancini, as much as I like the guy, currently city's weakest link? He's built an amazing team but is it his own philosophy which is stifling us from being the strongest premier league team on paper to being the strongest premier league team on the field??

Currently I'm unsure, one thing is for certain, he has a season to prove he is the man for this job or likely a man like Wenger will take his place.

[dazby]

Wenger will raid the Shaktar Donetsk midfield, buy a local defender and they'll be competing again.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

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[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

Thank god for this post as I saw some utter crap before that.

Wenger was absolutely fucking brilliant manager for Arsenal for about a decade. They made decision when the Emirates was built that until it was paid off they'd be easy in the markets. Once Emirates is debt free, especially with FFP rules in place, Arsenal will be fucking massive again. This was at the time hailed as brilliant plan by most Arsenal supporters.

No matter who comes in, they will not be winning anything in a good while. In fact, I'd say Wenger is doing pretty well having kept them in top 4 for so long.

Their real problem is that Arsenal executives and owners are more than willing to let Wenger take blame when it's quite clear from comments that it's THEM who are selling Nasri and Fabregas. I think Wenger will walk after this season, he has said in few interviews in the past that he doesn't think Arsenal are his final destination, and they will be in quite a mess for a while.

[Beefymcfc]

All this Wenger, is he good, is he bad, is he lucky talk has got me thinking...

Imagine this, Bobby and Wenger left City and Arsenal respectively and Wenger took control of this current city squad.

He'd win us the league wouldn't he, you just know he would, the current squad screams at times "let me off the leash" but Mancini reins it in and sticks to the Italiano 1-0 way.

If Wenger brought the philosophy of his Arsenal team and instilled it into our current crop, building off the rock solid defence and strong characters that we have, it would be magical, we'd evolve another step.

Which raises the question in my mind that if I'm so certain Wenger would win us the league why am I also certain Mancini won't..

Is Mancini, as much as I like the guy, currently city's weakest link? He's built an amazing team but is it his own philosophy which is stifling us from being the strongest premier league team on paper to being the strongest premier league team on the field??

Currently I'm unsure, one thing is for certain, he has a season to prove he is the man for this job or likely a man like Wenger will take his place.

That's a very good point BB but I'd suggest that Wenger wouldn't automatically take us to the top. He has possibly shown that he is unable to deal with the top players and that's possibly why he hasn't made those big time signings. You could say that the likes of Vieira, Henry, Pires et al were moved on at the right time or, you could say that they were moved on once they found their voice.

On Mancini, I do think he can make it but it will be down to the players to take what he says on-board and put it into practice. Mancini wants a keep-ball Barca style of play whilst keeping a tight defence, which isn't easy to do. Every person has to give 100% in the game and one lapse in concentration can lead to the system failing, from set pieces where everyone has his zones to the midfield covering back to front. Most players are used to doing just their job, not having to cover others, which is a mind-set that Mancini is trying to change.

In my view of course.

[gilford]

Which raises the question in my mind that if I'm so certain Wenger would win us the league why am I also certain Mancini won't..

Is Mancini, as much as I like the guy, currently city's weakest link? He's built an amazing team but is it his own philosophy which is stifling us from being the strongest premier league team on paper to being the strongest premier league team on the field??

Currently I'm unsure, one thing is for certain, he has a season to prove he is the man for this job or likely a man like Wenger will take his place.

I have this argument in the pub all the time with the Rag and scouse supporters. They feel that a Sunday League manager could win the league with the team we have now and all Mancini does is hold us back. I get frustrated with him sometimes, but I keep telling myself he is still facing the wrath of the Hughes era players if you know what I mean.

I'm happy to give him this season to prove himself, he did get us the FA Cup after all, but then again down the pub they all think any manager could have got us one trophy with the players at our disposal?!

Its a funny one really :-§

[Beefymcfc]

Imo Wenger was fortunate to get success off the foundations laid long before he joined. Once he started building his own team ... well you know the rest

Exactly mate. Someone pointed it out the other day, not sure who. Wengers most successful teams had a defence built on foundations laid by George Graham

Someone pointing it out doesn't make it correct

Arsenal's 'invincibles' title winning team of 03/04 had a back line of

Lehmenn

Lauren
Campbell
Toure
Cole

The only non Wenger signing in the team was Bergkamp who was signed by Rioch.

That team was built by Wenger. The biggest factor on Arsenal's development since reaching the 2006 CL final (again with a team built by Wenger) is the new stadium with Wenger qualifying for the CL on a small transfer budget which facilitated the paying off the stadium ahead of schedule.

Irrespective of what is happening now to make out that Wenger's success rests on what George Graham did is total bollocks.

Does anyone do any research before posting shit on here?

Thank god for this post as I saw some utter crap before that.

Wenger was absolutely fucking brilliant manager for Arsenal for about a decade. They made decision when the Emirates was built that until it was paid off they'd be easy in the markets. Once Emirates is debt free, especially with FFP rules in place, Arsenal will be fucking massive again. This was at the time hailed as brilliant plan by most Arsenal supporters.

No matter who comes in, they will not be winning anything in a good while. In fact, I'd say Wenger is doing pretty well having kept them in top 4 for so long.

Their real problem is that Arsenal executives and owners are more than willing to let Wenger take blame when it's quite clear from comments that it's THEM who are selling Nasri and Fabregas. I think Wenger will walk after this season, he has said in few interviews in the past that he doesn't think Arsenal are his final destination, and they will be in quite a mess for a while.

What you mean, Utter Crap!!! Why the hell is your view anymore valid than mine. Let's see, we'll all look through Disco Pants eye's and not have any other view.

And you're right, he was an 'absolutely fucking brilliant manager for Arsenal for about a decade' but that decade isn't now. You can say what you want about the exec's and owners but the truth is there wasn't serious restrictions in place to buy players and pay off the stadium as was stated when the board said, on many occassions, that Wenger had money to spend during every window but it was Wenger himself who didn't want to spend it. So that was Wenger's choice, not the owners, and many of the choices he did make didn't pay-off.

Anyway, another debate eh.

[Beefymcfc]

Ball-bag, sorry, Balague has just said that Valencia have now stated that Mata is not for sale. It just gets worse for Arsenal, sounds like they won't be getting their man, not at least for a decent fee.

[Chinners]

Come on, you know very well when a manager says a player is not for sale it means they are .... bit like when fans say the same ....

[BobKowalski]

All this Wenger, is he good, is he bad, is he lucky talk has got me thinking...

Imagine this, Bobby and Wenger left City and Arsenal respectively and Wenger took control of this current city squad.

He'd win us the league wouldn't he, you just know he would, the current squad screams at times "let me off the leash" but Mancini reins it in and sticks to the Italiano 1-0 way.

If Wenger brought the philosophy of his Arsenal team and instilled it into our current crop, building off the rock solid defence and strong characters that we have, it would be magical, we'd evolve another step.

Which raises the question in my mind that if I'm so certain Wenger would win us the league why am I also certain Mancini won't..

Is Mancini, as much as I like the guy, currently city's weakest link? He's built an amazing team but is it his own philosophy which is stifling us from being the strongest premier league team on paper to being the strongest premier league team on the field??

Currently I'm unsure, one thing is for certain, he has a season to prove he is the man for this job or likely a man like Wenger will take his place.

That's a very good point BB but I'd suggest that Wenger wouldn't automatically take us to the top. He has possibly shown that he is unable to deal with the top players and that's possibly why he hasn't made those big time signings. You could say that the likes of Vieira, Henry, Pires et al were moved on at the right time or, you could say that they were moved on once they found their voice.

On Mancini, I do think he can make it but it will be down to the players to take what he says on-board and put it into practice. Mancini wants a keep-ball Barca style of play whilst keeping a tight defence, which isn't easy to do. Every person has to give 100% in the game and one lapse in concentration can lead to the system failing, from set pieces where everyone has his zones to the midfield covering back to front. Most players are used to doing just their job, not having to cover others, which is a mind-set that Mancini is trying to change.

In my view of course.

Pretty much agree with this.