****Official City v Fulham Thread****

[Bridge'srightfoot]

The tiredness excuse is bollocks. Fulham played on Thursday.

Agreed. Just admit we were shite in the second half Bobby, don't get like Fergie with these excuses.

I think they were tired, he wasn't making excuses. What they should've asked is why only 2 changes from the team that played midweek or why he didn't rest a couple of players then.

I refuse to believe professional footballers can not play 2 matches in 5 days. If so there is serious problems with their fitness. We messed up big time today, nothing to do with tiredness

Do you think they looked tired in the 2nd half?

No, they looked sloppy and far too complacent. When we took the lead we really should have pushed on and put Fulham to the sword. Often once we get a leader we sit back rather than push on and today we got taught a lesson. Also when the other team is pressing you, the worst thing you can do is take off an attacker for a defender. It simply invites more pressure.

We let Dzeko get too isolated and Nasri just didn't show up today.

We were poor, and to echo my earlier sentiments

[Bluemoon16]

No argument about Aguero being a scooring machine. However, Tevez is a game winner, thanks to him we finished 2nd last season and are playing CL football this season. Aguero and Dzeko both had a great start this year scoring most of City's goals, nevertheless, I can not see Aguero nor Dzeko winning a tight game single handedly. Tevez on the other hand as most of City fans know can inspire his team mates and win tight games single handedly. Again, for that to happen he needs to play 90min and not 8min as evident in both Napoli and Fulham games.
I agree that Tevez let fans down for wanting to ago away, but so was he last season with the exception that he remained a beast on the field. The way I see it Mancinin is trying to punish Tevez and as a consequence Tevez will never be a winning beast on the field again unless he plays 90min.
Mancini is only lucky to have talented players who can beat any teams including Barca and Real. Tactically however, he is not better than Arsene Wenger. If we compare both City and United players, City are far more talented individually, but United got a manager who is knows how to win games especially during injury times. Make the likes of Fergie or Mourinho manager of the current City squad and they will go unbeaten for years.
Fact is the team played well in the first half and tried to do somthin in the second, but I blame Mancini for losing us two points today.

Bollocks.

No chance on this planet that either manager would go without a loss.

Bobby put this "unbeatable" team together and Bobby is the man to take it forward, Bacon and Mourinho make mistakes in equal measure to Bobby. You are a fool if you think they don't. Errors were made today by manager and players, it happens and we move on.

As for Tevez the reason he isn't starting is because he agitated for a move in the summer, failed to get his way and he continues agitate on the pitch now. [size=200]Tevez is a 110% player, the fact that he is coming on and looking half assed is telling[/size].

For all the talent he has I'd rather Bobby field players who want to play for us going forward than those who are just biding there time until the chance to leave arises again because let's not kid ourselves the Tevez transfer saga is in no way over just on hold.

Dzeko, Aguero, Silva and Nasri are all deservedly in the squad. They play for the team, Tevez if he starts would only be playing to get seen by another team, this frankly irks the fuck out of me.

Rant over.

I said Tevez needs to be played 90min to get the best out of him. He started at the Wigan game and created so many chances(missed a penalty) and in my view he was the best player on the field. Bobby subbed him in the 60min or somthing just like he did today with silva. And the Wigan game reminds me that he didnt play Dzeko that has scored 4 goals the previous game. Now, how on earth you rest a player who is on goal scoring streak, Ive never seen Messi nor Ronaldo being rested even when they play teams in the lowest ranks.

Messi and Ron do get rested, it doesn't happen alot but they do. Mancini decision to rest Dzeko is a bit of a non point anyways as we cruised past wigan.

As for Carlito, I can't be bothered arguing a case for or against him starting, he'll play on Weds a full 90 against brum for sure, let him do the talking the pitch then.

Fight to get in OUR team Carlos.

True, we cruised past Wigan and Dzeko is no longer scoring since he was rested on that one game. Aguero and Shrek on the other hand never missed the net in two consecutive games.

[Blue Blood]

No argument about Aguero being a scooring machine. However, Tevez is a game winner, thanks to him we finished 2nd last season and are playing CL football this season. Aguero and Dzeko both had a great start this year scoring most of City's goals, nevertheless, I can not see Aguero nor Dzeko winning a tight game single handedly. Tevez on the other hand as most of City fans know can inspire his team mates and win tight games single handedly. Again, for that to happen he needs to play 90min and not 8min as evident in both Napoli and Fulham games.
I agree that Tevez let fans down for wanting to ago away, but so was he last season with the exception that he remained a beast on the field. The way I see it Mancinin is trying to punish Tevez and as a consequence Tevez will never be a winning beast on the field again unless he plays 90min.
Mancini is only lucky to have talented players who can beat any teams including Barca and Real. Tactically however, he is not better than Arsene Wenger. If we compare both City and United players, City are far more talented individually, but United got a manager who is knows how to win games especially during injury times. Make the likes of Fergie or Mourinho manager of the current City squad and they will go unbeaten for years.
Fact is the team played well in the first half and tried to do somthin in the second, but I blame Mancini for losing us two points today.

Bollocks.

No chance on this planet that either manager would go without a loss.

Bobby put this "unbeatable" team together and Bobby is the man to take it forward, Bacon and Mourinho make mistakes in equal measure to Bobby. You are a fool if you think they don't. Errors were made today by manager and players, it happens and we move on.

As for Tevez the reason he isn't starting is because he agitated for a move in the summer, failed to get his way and he continues agitate on the pitch now. [size=200]Tevez is a 110% player, the fact that he is coming on and looking half assed is telling[/size].

For all the talent he has I'd rather Bobby field players who want to play for us going forward than those who are just biding there time until the chance to leave arises again because let's not kid ourselves the Tevez transfer saga is in no way over just on hold.

Dzeko, Aguero, Silva and Nasri are all deservedly in the squad. They play for the team, Tevez if he starts would only be playing to get seen by another team, this frankly irks the fuck out of me.

Rant over.

I said Tevez needs to be played 90min to get the best out of him. He started at the Wigan game and created so many chances(missed a penalty) and in my view he was the best player on the field. Bobby subbed him in the 60min or somthing just like he did today with silva. And the Wigan game reminds me that he didnt play Dzeko that has scored 4 goals the previous game. Now, how on earth you rest a player who is on goal scoring streak, Ive never seen Messi nor Ronaldo being rested even when they play teams in the lowest ranks.

Messi and Ron do get rested, it doesn't happen alot but they do. Mancini decision to rest Dzeko is a bit of a non point anyways as we cruised past wigan.

As for Carlito, I can't be bothered arguing a case for or against him starting, he'll play on Weds a full 90 against brum for sure, let him do the talking the pitch then.

Fight to get in OUR team Carlos.

True, we cruised past Wigan and Dzeko is no longer scoring since he was rested on that one game. Aguero and Shrek on the other hand never missed the net in two consecutive games.

Yes and this all means Dzeko will never find the net again clearly.

Mancini blew it and ruined Dzeko, sack the prick.

Lord give me strength...

[phips]

Yes and this all means Dzeko will never find the net again clearly.
Mancini blew it and ruined Dzeko, sack the prick.
Lord give me strength...

Sack Mancini and sell Dzeko to Real Madrid...but since he sucks now we'll have to sell for cheap.

[Bluemoon16]

Ive never said anywhere in my comments that anybody should be sacked, nor did I say that Dzeko will never score again. Ive faith in Bobby although I blame him for the last two draws and not the players. I hope Im wrong, but only time will tell how well he manages the best squad in the world.

[Beefymcfc]

No, they looked sloppy and far too complacent. When we took the lead we really should have pushed on and put Fulham to the sword. Often once we get a leader we sit back rather than push on and today we got taught a lesson. Also when the other team is pressing you, the worst thing you can do is take off an attacker for a defender. It simply invites more pressure.

We let Dzeko get too isolated and Nasri just didn't show up today.

We were poor, and to echo my earlier sentiments

So, you didn't think some looked tired, even if the manager said as much. Sloppy, complacent, factors attributed to .......... tiredness.

I'll leave it there though, you obviously have your train of thought.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

No, they looked sloppy and far too complacent. When we took the lead we really should have pushed on and put Fulham to the sword. Often once we get a leader we sit back rather than push on and today we got taught a lesson. Also when the other team is pressing you, the worst thing you can do is take off an attacker for a defender. It simply invites more pressure.

We let Dzeko get too isolated and Nasri just didn't show up today.

We were poor, and to echo my earlier sentiments

So, you didn't think some looked tired, even if the manager said as much. Sloppy, complacent, factors attributed to .......... tiredness.

I'll leave it there though, you obviously have your train of thought.

Fulham have played more games than us this season, played on Thursday and have a smaller squad...

[Beefymcfc]

No, they looked sloppy and far too complacent. When we took the lead we really should have pushed on and put Fulham to the sword. Often once we get a leader we sit back rather than push on and today we got taught a lesson. Also when the other team is pressing you, the worst thing you can do is take off an attacker for a defender. It simply invites more pressure.

We let Dzeko get too isolated and Nasri just didn't show up today.

We were poor, and to echo my earlier sentiments

So, you didn't think some looked tired, even if the manager said as much. Sloppy, complacent, factors attributed to .......... tiredness.

I'll leave it there though, you obviously have your train of thought.

Fulham have played more games than us this season, played on Thursday and have a smaller squad...

And? I'm not making excuses for any reason but what I am trying to get across is the fact that certain players looked fucked. Yaya clearly cannot play this amount of games, and possibly Barry as well.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

No, they looked sloppy and far too complacent. When we took the lead we really should have pushed on and put Fulham to the sword. Often once we get a leader we sit back rather than push on and today we got taught a lesson. Also when the other team is pressing you, the worst thing you can do is take off an attacker for a defender. It simply invites more pressure.

We let Dzeko get too isolated and Nasri just didn't show up today.

We were poor, and to echo my earlier sentiments

So, you didn't think some looked tired, even if the manager said as much. Sloppy, complacent, factors attributed to .......... tiredness.

I'll leave it there though, you obviously have your train of thought.

Fulham have played more games than us this season, played on Thursday and have a smaller squad...

And? I'm not making excuses for any reason but what I am trying to get across is the fact that certain players looked fucked. Yaya clearly cannot play this amount of games, and possibly Barry as well.

I just don't buy the tiredness bit. If for some reason they are I would say it's all in the mind.If it is tiredness after 5 games of the league season..............I am speechless at the thought.

[bluej]

Time to chill. Getting player rotation right is easy if we win but can cause problems when we don't if it isnt handled really well.

[highlight]So far we have no real idea why there has been so little rotation apart from the full backs and Tevez and Mario havent been given starts.[/highlight]I expect to see wholesale changes for Wednesday but in the key games Mancini has got to work out how to make changes and keep all the players happy and keep getting good results. No problems at the moment but only time will tell

I think the main area we need to rotate in is midfield, but with the injuries we're not able to, hence Zabs coming on for Silva.

[Beefymcfc]

I just don't buy the tiredness bit. If for some reason they are I would say it's all in the mind.If it is tiredness after 5 games of the league season..............I am speechless at the thought.

I'm gobsmacked as well. It looked that way to me by the state of our 2nd half play and was confirmed by Mancini after the match. Taggart, Wenger et al have all said it is difficult to play away from home after a CL game, I don't know why but it may have something to do with extra energy you put into a CL game or it maybe a nervous energy thing in the build-up.

A wierd one I know, but we've seen it before with Yaya, even last week he needed 5 minutes kip after one of his lung-buster runs (Would they be lung-busters for anyone else?). It may just be his size, lack of oxygen and all that, I just don't know but a few out there definately looked jaded in the 2nd half and when Fulham stepped on the gas, they couldn't keep up.

[Tokyo Blue]

Would it be out of order to say "Well done Fulham, you upped your game in the second half and we weren't expecting that . We thought you would roll over and die. Like Spurs, Bolton, Arsenal did against United ?" ( thought WBA and Chelsea were damn unlucky against United).

No. I agree. They are not "shit" as some have claimed. They have got some good players and a good manager.

[stommy]

I think some fans here are fucking hypocrites. Just after the Tottenham game, City was the best club in the world, Mancini was genious, and Dzeko was god himself, and now after one draw, this all sucks. Also the offense has been attacking in most of the posts here, didn't we score two goals, what happened then? We get two in and all blame is on Dzeko, who's crap NOW. Well done "fans"!

[ant london]

I think some fans here are fucking hypocrites. Just after the Tottenham game, City was the best club in the world, Mancini was genious, and Dzeko was god himself, and now after one draw, this all sucks. Also the offense has been attacking in most of the posts here, didn't we score two goals, what happened then? We get two in and all blame is on Dzeko, who's crap NOW. Well done "fans"!

Stommy mate, I agree with you in terms of the opening line.

But this is a CITY forum not the Edin Dzeko appreciation society. I like Edin and don't think he had a bad game yesterday (no worse than some others anyway) but there is no need for you/PALUS and the others who love Edin to jump to his defence all the time. You like him, we get it....you disagree with any criticism of him, we get that.

If you don't like "City fans" I'd recommend that you don't post here as you'll certainly hear Edin get some stick at times from us....just like all the other players do (see the comments re Player of the Year Kompany at the moment for an example of how no-one is exempt).

[Chinners]

I just don't buy the tiredness bit. If for some reason they are I would say it's all in the mind.If it is tiredness after 5 games of the league season..............I am speechless at the thought.

Me as well. One of the most demanding sports physically is Tennis, and they have to play every other day in tournaments. It's the one thing that fucks me off about Mancini tbh ... and this 'we need more depth/players' bollox I hope was made very tounge in cheek, risible in the extream

[johnny crossan]

Fulham's goal was a match changer, we lost control, stopped tackling and Zaba for Silva didn't work. We were short of options and need another DM which Zaba isn't. Mancini is right, the club failed to provide his defensive cover and we are paying the price.

[Chinners]

Whats Hargreaves then? It's down to Mancini to name him in the matchday squad innit

[johnny crossan]

Whats Hargreaves then? It's down to Mancini to name him in the matchday squad innit

Owen is three years from match fitness

[Chinners]

Ha ha, good point, well made

[Ted Hughes]

I just don't buy the tiredness bit. If for some reason they are I would say it's all in the mind.If it is tiredness after 5 games of the league season..............I am speechless at the thought.

I'm gobsmacked as well. It looked that way to me by the state of our 2nd half play and was confirmed by Mancini after the match. Taggart, Wenger et al have all said it is difficult to play away from home after a CL game, I don't know why but it may have something to do with extra energy you put into a CL game or it maybe a nervous energy thing in the build-up.

A wierd one I know, but we've seen it before with Yaya, even last week he needed 5 minutes kip after one of his lung-buster runs (Would they be lung-busters for anyone else?). It may just be his size, lack of oxygen and all that, I just don't know but a few out there definately looked jaded in the 2nd half and when Fulham stepped on the gas, they couldn't keep up.

There was an instance where Yaya had 4 opportunities to get himself involved when Fulham had the ball. He only needed to move 5 or 6 yards but just jogged instead & they bypassed him twice, then a player ran past him into the box, into a really really dangerous area & he let him go. Yaya could have run 6 yards & stopped & he would have been protecting our box but he just jogged around slowly & aimlessly being completely useless. I've no idea what he was trying to do but if this behaviour was caused by tiredness, to be that tired that he can't think or move, I'd suggest he must have been close to death. You need players (to use the old cliche) to 'dig deep' & push themselves to the limit in these circumstances. He did that a bit later, further up the pitch, really stretching himself yet he didn't do it in our danger area, as if he just hadn't noticed what was around him. Bizarre.