Leslie spouts off

[southaustralianblue]

no class

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Who cares about anything Spews says; he was a third rate manager with a load of amateurish cronies as his back-up staff, completely out of his depth and is now only a yesterday's man.

The more he spouts off on such occasions will make him look even more foolish and marginalised in the future, as City continue to march on.

Good riddance to the Scum swine and sod off.

[brite blu sky]

I don't know what all the fuss is about - he's been interviewed before the derby and as someone who has been involved with both clubs he is an ideal interviewee.

Is he spouting off? I'm not so sure - he's given his opinion against themes/questions led by the interviewer, was anyone really surprised or shocked or indeed outraged by his response. I wasn't.

He's right in identifying the differences in the management styles between himself and Mancini because they are very different. It's right to suggest he was perhaps disadvntaged by the fact that he was not appointed by the current owners. It's understandable that there may be some resentment as a result of how his sacking was handled.

Well if you ignore the fact that he knows jack shit about Mancini's style or techniques by his own admission yet still chooses to give his opinion. Or for anyone in this day and age to be led by a journalist into areas they know fuck all about and still give their opinions well then yes there is nothing much to get in a huff about.

Comes across as arrogant, out of his league and classless, oh and as suggested a bit bitter.

He would have better keeping his trap shut if you ask me.

[Spurge]

I don't know what all the fuss is about - he's been interviewed before the derby and as someone who has been involved with both clubs he is an ideal interviewee.

Is he spouting off? I'm not so sure - he's given his opinion against themes/questions led by the interviewer, was anyone really surprised or shocked or indeed outraged by his response. I wasn't.

He's right in identifying the differences in the management styles between himself and Mancini because they are very different. It's right to suggest he was perhaps disadvntaged by the fact that he was not appointed by the current owners. It's understandable that there may be some resentment as a result of how his sacking was handled.

Well if you ignore the fact that he knows jack shit about Mancini's style or techniques by his own admission yet still chooses to give his opinion. Or for anyone in this day and age to be led by a journalist into areas they know fuck all about and still give their opinions well then yes there is nothing much to get in a huff about.

Comes across as arrogant, out of his league and classless, oh and as suggested a bit bitter.

He would have better keeping his trap shut if you ask me.

But everyone knows that Mancini is a no nonsense disciplinarian who works his squad hard and thats what Hughes is commenting on. He knows how this differs from his own style of management, so is therefore in a position to comment on this basis.

As for being better keeping his trap shut - why should he? Especially if someone was willing to pay him for his opinion.

I'm frankly amazed that people on here are so bothered by this interview or indeed what Hughes has to say.

[CTID Hants]

Opened the paper, saw this and didn't bother reading the article, enough said imo. As for the "everyone of united players understands the club.... has he not noticed that G Snivelle and ginger cunt both retired, does their Mexican boy "understand"? Wio is normally off his tits or so up his own arse.....

Can someone please him the mop and bucket ;)

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Who cares about anything Spews says; he was a third rate manager with a load of amateurish cronies as his back-up staff, completely out of his depth and is now only a yesterday's man.

The more he spouts off on such occasions will make him look even more foolish and marginalised in the future, as City continue to march on.

Good riddance to the Scum swine and sod off.

Spot on.

I find it hilarious that average like Hughes is even giving his opinion on management style of world class manager and proven winner like Mancini. Bit like Jason Roberts saying that Leo Messi isn't all that and shouldn't be holding the ball as much as he does. These people are simply on different level.

Hughes is the definition of "average" as far as football management goes.

[Slim]

One of the funniest thing that was mentioned during his time here was the story of the exposed pipe.

For those that don't know, near the training ground there was an exposed pipe, not sure if it was leaking water or what. But Hughes made a comment to someone twice about how the pipe shouldn't be exposed, then it got covered and his response was "well they got the pipe covered".

I have worked with a lot of people at the top end of the mining industry and when they are completely out of their depth with what they should be doing, they tend to focus on something within their comfort zone and make a big deal of it, thus making them feel like they are doing their job when they really aren't.

Leslie should have been focused on assembling the most expensive and talented squad on the planet, instead he found a pipe that offended him and it was made out to look like he had this incredible attention to detail on every aspect of the club.

Comfort zone, big picture, clueless.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I have worked with a lot of people at the top end of the mining industry and when they are completely out of their depth with what they should be doing, they tend to focus on something within their comfort zone and make a big deal of it, thus making them feel like they are doing their job when they really aren't.

I've worked with people at the top end of construction industry and that is EXACTLY the case when people aren't really on top of their job. They've been doing things in smaller scale and when they get to lead BIG project they concentrate on smaller things they are familiar with without realising that in the scale they are working now those are completely pointless things.

Hughes would be fantastic division 2 manager. Taking care of painting the fence of the club and attracting players with his reputation as former top player. Problem is, when you look at our current dressing room, no one is impressed with what Hughes did as a player. Most of them are already million miles better players than Hughes ever was.

[brite blu sky]

Spurge if you cannot see it then it's pretty obvious that you won't understand posters reactions on here. Did you like Hughes or something?

Slim's comment about people out of their depth is spot on and it isn't just at the very top either... a sure sign anyone is out of their depth is them focussing on something irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I have noticed it often too in argument, when people cannot get their head round something and know it they go off on random tangents on something they can get a handle on to try and cover up their deficit.. smacks of arrogance too because if they had any wisdom at all they would realise they are on a hiding to nothing and switch to try learn something instead. That Hughes thinks he is justified in commenting like this shows that he holds too a high opinion of himself and not enough humility. Funny how all his carefully chosen words in press work just tries to cover that up, I now understand why he spoke so deliberately on camera.

[blues2win]

Fuck off you bitter Welsh rag git.

[mr_nool]

This result was clearly down to Mancini's lack of man management skills. I wish we could have you back, Mark,

[guv111]

Fucking useless manager, surrounded by useless mates. So shit that Aston Villa would rather have a man who got his side relegated than risk having Hughes waste what money they've got.

Fuck you, Hughes.

[CityGer]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you munich cunt.

[Tokyo Blue]

What a wonderful motivational speaker this man is.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I think Spews should read this as its surely meant for him.

Mancini has parked his tanks on the United lawn
By MARTIN SAMUEL
Last updated at 11:43 PM on 23rd October 2011
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Fortune favours, not the autocratic, but the brave. Some might call Roberto Mancini’s style imperious, but the theory that it risks alienating his players would appear very wide of the mark.
No team score six at Old Trafford unless they are entirely in accord with the manager. This was a greater endorsement of Mancini, the man and his methods than any witness statement or dressing-room opinion. The game of claim and counter-claim with Carlos Tevez and friends is only so much background noise now. Everything that mattered was out on the field.
Since that fateful night in Munich, when Mancini was the victim of insubordination in the ranks, City have played three league matches, won three and scored 14 goals in the process. Their only other game has been the home Champions League tie with Villarreal which was secured with almost the final kick of the match. These are not the events and statistics of a team indifferent to the plight of its manager.

Parking the tank: Roberto Mancini has made a huge statement
It is not just City’s style of football that has gathered courage. Mancini is making bold decisions on the biggest occasions, as the best managers do.
Think of those who changed English football in the modern era: Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho. These are men not scared to make significant judgment calls under pressure, as Mancini is doing in this campaign. Not just in his handling of the Tevez affair - ‘a masterclass’, according to Ferguson - but in the way he is consistently getting the best from the stellar names in his squad.
On Sunday, he left out Samir Nasri, having fought tooth and nail to extricate him from Arsenal, and stuck with Mario Balotelli, despite waking up to another slew of unwelcome headlines surrounding the striker. He was justified on both counts. The power and athleticism of City’s midfield simply overwhelmed United, while Balotelli scored the opening two goals of the game, establishing supremacy that grew exponentially throughout the second half.
It had been suspected that this midfield reckoning could happen, in the way that Chelsea at their best under Mourinho on occasions brushed United aside, but nobody expected Darren Fletcher and Anderson to be so thoroughly monstered by Yaya Toure, Gareth Barry and the hard-running David Silva, diminutive but a constant niggling presence, when he wasn’t the architect of City’s many counter-attacks.

Masterclass: David Silva was outstanding
To hear Ferguson say that he felt his team should have settled for a 3-1 or 4-1 defeat was genuinely shocking. The very definition of United is defiance in adversity, of being the team who did not know they were beaten in the 1999 Champions League final, or when 3-0 down at half-time away to Tottenham Hotspur, or in so many matches when defeat seemed inevitable.
Yet here, when Darren Fletcher scored in the 81st minute, Ferguson would have happily settled for a two-goal margin of defeat - at home to Manchester City, never forget - licked his wounds and regrouped to fight another day.
He was furious that his players instead honoured the traditions of United sides past and kept pressing, pressing, pressing for goal. Sadly, with City so clinical, they were like the moles in that game played by children at the fairground; every time a head poked out of a hole, someone hit it with a hammer.
It was this that enraged Ferguson, ever mindful of the role goal difference could play in the destination of the league title. It was little under two months ago when Arsenal were beaten 8-2 at Old Trafford on what appeared to be a seismic afternoon for English football. All Ferguson will see is that this hard work was as good as erased by three City goals in the final three minutes.

Furious: Sir Alex Ferguson's side were picked off at will in the last 10 minutes
This was the tipping point, United embarrassed, City rampant. It is very easy to read sea changes into one result, when City get the same three points as they would have if Balotelli’s opener in the 22nd minute had been the only difference between the teams, yet when statisticians are leafing back to Newcastle United’s last title-winning season for points of reference - they won 7-1 away at Manchester United in 1927 - it is impossible to resist drawing conclusions.
The main one being that Ferguson’s dismissal of City as mere noisy neighbours is now redundant. In metaphorical terms, that noise is the sound of tanks being parked on Manchester United’s lawn. There have been many moments of import on City’s rise to prominence - the FA Cup semi-final win over Manchester United at Wembley, the first trophy of the Mancini era a month later, the Champions League debut at home to Napoli, the lesson learned in Munich - but this may live longer in the memory than them all.
There has been an awful lot of hurt inflicted by United in derby games over the years, so to have the tables turned so spectacularly - and so unexpectedly considering the closeness of recent duels - will not be forgotten in a hurry. ‘Shattered,’ was Ferguson’s description, and he looked it. He did not even have the will to argue Jonny Evans’s sending-off, acknowledging instead that Balotelli had again got the better of his man and the defender had to go.

No complaints: Ferguson admitted Jonny Evans had to go
Mancini has certainly not needed recent vindication of his methods in the eyes of City fans, who sang his name before this match regardless, or from neutrals, who largely admire his firm stance on Tevez; but those who are easily impressed by the intellectual swirl of legal argument were beginning to fear he could be painted as the loser in a player power struggle. Not any more. There was only one loser on the City side at Old Trafford: the former captain who has put himself outside a fantastic squad, where he will most certainly remain until his departure.
It is to Mancini’s credit that, despite the many confrontations, he still chooses to work with big, often volatile, personalities. A team with City’s roster needs a manager who is prepared to make himself unpopular, an autocrat rather than a massager of egos.
Even Mourinho tired of tending to Balotelli - whose T-shirt unveiled on scoring, bearing the message ‘Why always me?’ was a moment of unintentionally ironic genius - yet Mancini has persevered and has his reward.
As he surveys the table this morning from a lofty height he will consider the mission nowhere near accomplished; but the battle for hearts and minds is already won.

[ronk]

I think Spews should read this as its surely meant for him.

Mancini has parked his tanks on the United lawn
By MARTIN SAMUEL

Even Mourinho tired of tending to Balotelli - whose T-shirt unveiled on scoring, bearing the message ‘Why always me?’ was a moment of unintentionally ironic genius - yet Mancini has persevered and has his reward.
As he surveys the table this morning from a lofty height he will consider the mission nowhere near accomplished; but the battle for hearts and minds is already won.

I don't for a moment believe there was anything unintentional in that gesture.

[conkers]

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think Spews should read this as its surely meant for him.

Mancini has parked his tanks on the United lawn
By MARTIN SAMUEL

Even Mourinho tired of tending to Balotelli - whose T-shirt unveiled on scoring, bearing the message ‘Why always me?’ was a moment of unintentionally ironic genius - yet Mancini has persevered and has his reward.
As he surveys the table this morning from a lofty height he will consider the mission nowhere near accomplished; but the battle for hearts and minds is already won.

I don't for a moment believe there was anything unintentional in that gesture.

Absolutely not. That's why it was so hilarious and well worth the yellow.

[guv111]

I think Spews should read this as its surely meant for him.

Mancini has parked his tanks on the United lawn
By MARTIN SAMUEL
Last updated at 11:43 PM on 23rd October 2011
es
Share
Fortune favours, not the autocratic, but the brave. Some might call Roberto Mancini’s style imperious, but the theory that it risks alienating his players would appear very wide of the mark.
No team score six at Old Trafford unless they are entirely in accord with the manager. This was a greater endorsement of Mancini, the man and his methods than any witness statement or dressing-room opinion. The game of claim and counter-claim with Carlos Tevez and friends is only so much background noise now. Everything that mattered was out on the field.
Since that fateful night in Munich, when Mancini was the victim of insubordination in the ranks, City have played three league matches, won three and scored 14 goals in the process. Their only other game has been the home Champions League tie with Villarreal which was secured with almost the final kick of the match. These are not the events and statistics of a team indifferent to the plight of its manager.

Parking the tank: Roberto Mancini has made a huge statement
It is not just City’s style of football that has gathered courage. Mancini is making bold decisions on the biggest occasions, as the best managers do.
Think of those who changed English football in the modern era: Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho. These are men not scared to make significant judgment calls under pressure, as Mancini is doing in this campaign. Not just in his handling of the Tevez affair - ‘a masterclass’, according to Ferguson - but in the way he is consistently getting the best from the stellar names in his squad.
On Sunday, he left out Samir Nasri, having fought tooth and nail to extricate him from Arsenal, and stuck with Mario Balotelli, despite waking up to another slew of unwelcome headlines surrounding the striker. He was justified on both counts. The power and athleticism of City’s midfield simply overwhelmed United, while Balotelli scored the opening two goals of the game, establishing supremacy that grew exponentially throughout the second half.
It had been suspected that this midfield reckoning could happen, in the way that Chelsea at their best under Mourinho on occasions brushed United aside, but nobody expected Darren Fletcher and Anderson to be so thoroughly monstered by Yaya Toure, Gareth Barry and the hard-running David Silva, diminutive but a constant niggling presence, when he wasn’t the architect of City’s many counter-attacks.

Masterclass: David Silva was outstanding
To hear Ferguson say that he felt his team should have settled for a 3-1 or 4-1 defeat was genuinely shocking. The very definition of United is defiance in adversity, of being the team who did not know they were beaten in the 1999 Champions League final, or when 3-0 down at half-time away to Tottenham Hotspur, or in so many matches when defeat seemed inevitable.
Yet here, when Darren Fletcher scored in the 81st minute, Ferguson would have happily settled for a two-goal margin of defeat - at home to Manchester City, never forget - licked his wounds and regrouped to fight another day.
He was furious that his players instead honoured the traditions of United sides past and kept pressing, pressing, pressing for goal. Sadly, with City so clinical, they were like the moles in that game played by children at the fairground; every time a head poked out of a hole, someone hit it with a hammer.
It was this that enraged Ferguson, ever mindful of the role goal difference could play in the destination of the league title. It was little under two months ago when Arsenal were beaten 8-2 at Old Trafford on what appeared to be a seismic afternoon for English football. All Ferguson will see is that this hard work was as good as erased by three City goals in the final three minutes.

Furious: Sir Alex Ferguson's side were picked off at will in the last 10 minutes
This was the tipping point, United embarrassed, City rampant. It is very easy to read sea changes into one result, when City get the same three points as they would have if Balotelli’s opener in the 22nd minute had been the only difference between the teams, yet when statisticians are leafing back to Newcastle United’s last title-winning season for points of reference - they won 7-1 away at Manchester United in 1927 - it is impossible to resist drawing conclusions.
The main one being that Ferguson’s dismissal of City as mere noisy neighbours is now redundant. In metaphorical terms, that noise is the sound of tanks being parked on Manchester United’s lawn. There have been many moments of import on City’s rise to prominence - the FA Cup semi-final win over Manchester United at Wembley, the first trophy of the Mancini era a month later, the Champions League debut at home to Napoli, the lesson learned in Munich - but this may live longer in the memory than them all.
There has been an awful lot of hurt inflicted by United in derby games over the years, so to have the tables turned so spectacularly - and so unexpectedly considering the closeness of recent duels - will not be forgotten in a hurry. ‘Shattered,’ was Ferguson’s description, and he looked it. He did not even have the will to argue Jonny Evans’s sending-off, acknowledging instead that Balotelli had again got the better of his man and the defender had to go.

No complaints: Ferguson admitted Jonny Evans had to go
Mancini has certainly not needed recent vindication of his methods in the eyes of City fans, who sang his name before this match regardless, or from neutrals, who largely admire his firm stance on Tevez; but those who are easily impressed by the intellectual swirl of legal argument were beginning to fear he could be painted as the loser in a player power struggle. Not any more. There was only one loser on the City side at Old Trafford: the former captain who has put himself outside a fantastic squad, where he will most certainly remain until his departure.
It is to Mancini’s credit that, despite the many confrontations, he still chooses to work with big, often volatile, personalities. A team with City’s roster needs a manager who is prepared to make himself unpopular, an autocrat rather than a massager of egos.
Even Mourinho tired of tending to Balotelli - whose T-shirt unveiled on scoring, bearing the message ‘Why always me?’ was a moment of unintentionally ironic genius - yet Mancini has persevered and has his reward.
As he surveys the table this morning from a lofty height he will consider the mission nowhere near accomplished; but the battle for hearts and minds is already won.

Martin Samuel is clearly at the wrong newspaper, hidden away as he is on the back pages of a publication read by racists, xenophobes, Little Englanders, and Royal crockery collecting enthusiasts. His analysis of football is probably the best around at the moment, and - importantly for a sports' writer - he obviously doesn't have an axe to grind, making his comments valid as opposed to skewed and bitter like so many others. Henry Winter has also improved hugely, producing energetic match reports usually within an hour of the final whistle. Surely these two should be the general standard of football writing, yet instead the norm is dreary, agenda-led, fact-free, cliche-filled dross as churned out by the likes of Mark Ogden, Ian Herbert, Sam Wallace and James Lawton. It's just a shame that in order to read Martin Samuel one has to sully oneself by heading over to the Mail Online.

[feedthegreek]

al fayed having a go below. at hughes.

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