Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

[Beefymcfc]

I have said before that the corruption in football that I have read about leaves me with very little doubt that there are elements of the game that leave you feeling a bit hopeless.However I think that any corruption in the game is evenly divided amongst all clubs.We suffer as much as the others.I do not think that the bent parts of the game are directed towards us they are just a result of circumstances.People who benefit from doing corrupt things I think do it to benefit themselves and screwing us is not on their agenda.

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

[guv111]

Webb today adds further fuel to the conspiracy debate. Are there even any people left here who don't see what's going on?

[MR IMAINEROAD]

I have said before that the corruption in football that I have read about leaves me with very little doubt that there are elements of the game that leave you feeling a bit hopeless.However I think that any corruption in the game is evenly divided amongst all clubs.We suffer as much as the others.I do not think that the bent parts of the game are directed towards us they are just a result of circumstances.People who benefit from doing corrupt things I think do it to benefit themselves and screwing us is not on their agenda.

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

Must admit I was becoming a conspiracy theorist myself until we got the penalty yesterday. Mind you on first glance it did look kosher and it was cancelled out by not giving the obvious Silva one so that sort of cancelled itself out. But
The Richards ricochet at Liverpool - how the hell could he avoid that?
David Silva several times especially in the Bayern game.
Cliche red card
Barry red card
Kompany red card (what a howler from the referee)
Balotelli red cards....

But after today.....

Maybe the SKY$ still exist as a marketing force.

[Rag_hater]

I have said before that the corruption in football that I have read about leaves me with very little doubt that there are elements of the game that leave you feeling a bit hopeless.However I think that any corruption in the game is evenly divided amongst all clubs.We suffer as much as the others.I do not think that the bent parts of the game are directed towards us they are just a result of circumstances.People who benefit from doing corrupt things I think do it to benefit themselves and screwing us is not on their agenda.

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

If I knew that I would say but have not got a clue.Have suspicions like everybody else but with no proof there is only conjecture to go on and for me that is no reason to convict someone.

[Beefymcfc]

I have said before that the corruption in football that I have read about leaves me with very little doubt that there are elements of the game that leave you feeling a bit hopeless.However I think that any corruption in the game is evenly divided amongst all clubs.We suffer as much as the others.I do not think that the bent parts of the game are directed towards us they are just a result of circumstances.People who benefit from doing corrupt things I think do it to benefit themselves and screwing us is not on their agenda.

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

If I knew that I would say but have not got a clue.Have suspicions like everybody else but with no proof there is only conjecture to go on and for me that is no reason to convict someone.

I'll give you a clue, they've been given 4 penalty's in 2 games. The first 2 were their only shots on target.

[Rag_hater]

I have said before that the corruption in football that I have read about leaves me with very little doubt that there are elements of the game that leave you feeling a bit hopeless.However I think that any corruption in the game is evenly divided amongst all clubs.We suffer as much as the others.I do not think that the bent parts of the game are directed towards us they are just a result of circumstances.People who benefit from doing corrupt things I think do it to benefit themselves and screwing us is not on their agenda.

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

If I knew that I would say but have not got a clue.Have suspicions like everybody else but with no proof there is only conjecture to go on and for me that is no reason to convict someone.

I'll give you a clue, they've been given 4 penalty's in 2 games. The first 2 were their only shots on target.

Can you give me anything that will prove what you suspect.

[Beefymcfc]

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

If I knew that I would say but have not got a clue.Have suspicions like everybody else but with no proof there is only conjecture to go on and for me that is no reason to convict someone.

I'll give you a clue, they've been given 4 penalty's in 2 games. The first 2 were their only shots on target.

Can you give me anything that will prove what you suspect.

Can you give me anything that proves me wrong?

[Rag_hater]

Great point, who has benefitted from our recent run of bad decisions?

If I knew that I would say but have not got a clue.Have suspicions like everybody else but with no proof there is only conjecture to go on and for me that is no reason to convict someone.

I'll give you a clue, they've been given 4 penalty's in 2 games. The first 2 were their only shots on target.

Can you give me anything that will prove what you suspect.

Can you give me anything that proves me wrong?[/quote




Yeah the 4 pens

[Beefymcfc]

Yeah the 4 pens

I didn't mention the penalty's in the equation, have you anything substantial?

[Lev Bronstein]

There may be no concrete proof that there's a conspiracy, but it sure looks like one sometimes.

It looks like this:-

The game has been bent in favour of you know who for years.

They have most of the media batting for them, ignoring the obvious when it doesn't suit and exagerating when it does. (Sky must feel that their profits depend on being able to sell "the product" and don't want the golden goose killed)

They seem to be able to foul and get away with it.

Opponents are too easity penalised.

The refs seem scared of them.

If they ever get a decision against them, no matter how mild, they squeel like stuck pigs.

And so on.


But, we can't let this grind us down. Complaining about decisions against us might ve justified, but are counter-productive if the players start to feel that they can't play their normal game and become tentative. We have to focus on the task in hand and not let ourselves be deflected.
If we do win the title this year we will have earned it 100%. I don't want refs, media or whoever thinking that we owe them favours. Bollocks to the lot of them and come out fighting

[Rag_hater]

Yeah the 4 pens

I didn't mention the penalty's in the equation, have you anything substantial?

No nothing.I thought you had with referring to them earlier.
Its the reason why I don't like accusing people of things when I have no proof though which.
I think we had two pens in a game earlier this year against barcodes and last year against Villa so for me I do not find it as proof of wrongdoing.Unusual maybe.Unique not really and it does not prove anything.

[phips]

The Sturridge penalty was a penalty and the Ivanovic one was as soft as AJ's...so....

[ashton287]

There may be no concrete proof that there's a conspiracy, but it sure looks like one sometimes.

It looks like this:-

The game has been bent in favour of you know who for years.

They have most of the media batting for them, ignoring the obvious when it doesn't suit and exagerating when it does. (Sky must feel that their profits depend on being able to sell "the product" and don't want the golden goose killed)

They seem to be able to foul and get away with it.

Opponents are too easity penalised.

The refs seem scared of them.

If they ever get a decision against them, no matter how mild, they squeel like stuck pigs.

And so on.

But, we can't let this grind us down. Complaining about decisions against us might ve justified, but are counter-productive if the players start to feel that they can't play their normal game and become tentative. We have to focus on the task in hand and not let ourselves be deflected.
If we do win the title this year we will have earned it 100%. I don't want refs, media or whoever thinking that we owe them favours. Bollocks to the lot of them and come out fighting

This is the thing rag_hater. It's not against city, we are just the CURRENT obstacle. It is against anyone that are getting in the way of the scum. We are the team threatening to cost people money at the minute so we are the team being singled out. If they do their job and fuck us over and then spurs look like stealing it from the rags then they will be the ones pissing in the wind. Same if Chelsea had a revival, like if they we're beating the rags 3-0 with half an hour left or something.

Most people in this thread aren't sitting feeling sorry for city. We are feeling sorry for fucking football.

[Dipstick]

This is the thing rag_hater. It's not against city, we are just the CURRENT obstacle. It is against anyone that are getting in the way of the scum. We are the team threatening to cost people money at the minute so we are the team being singled out. If they do their job and fuck us over and then spurs look like stealing it from the rags then they will be the ones pissing in the wind. Same if Chelsea had a revival, like if they we're beating the rags 3-0 with half an hour left or something.

Most people in this thread aren't sitting feeling sorry for city. We are feeling sorry for fucking football.

When they were doing the fixtures before the start of the season the PL/Sky would have seen the Chelsea away match as scum's most difficult of the season and certainly one of the more important matches in determining where the title ended up.

I, for one, wasn't surprised that they decided to play it during the African Cup of Nations when they knew that Drogba and Kalou would be absent.

[Blue Since 76]

Refs ALWAYS favour the big team when it comes to a dubious decision. If the sides are of equal stature, the home team usually gets it. If you're a good team who attack a lot, you have more chances for penalties to be awarded. If you're a good team who avoids defending in your penalty area, you reduce the chance to give away penalties.

The first few parts of that are bias. Not cheating, just human nature. If a ref isn't sure of what the decision should be, which I suspect is the case in a lot of decisions, they will pick the easier life. Will you therefore get most grief from the press for getting a crucial decision wrong which impacts on the rags/Liverpool/Chelsea/City or QPR/Bolton/Wigan?

[john68]

I have stated this previously and make no apology for doing so again...IN 2006, THE GLOBAL INCOME FROM FOOTBALL WAS OVER $500Bn. God only knows what that figure is now and if any of our financial wizards can dig it out, I'll be grateful.

Please remember that the quoted figure doesn't include any money earned by outside business through football, eg Stadia construction, catering, television, written media, travel companies, mechandisers, marketeers, advertising companies ticket agencies...etc...the list could be endless.

Add to that the sums earned by agents and shadt dealers who operate on the periphery of the game....and...my brain ceases to work after a certain total of zeros on the end of a number but the total must be at the very top end of beyond astronomical.

That is a lot of pies for a lot of fingers....and anyone who thinks that lot is squeaky clean is either naive beyond redemption or called Rag Hater.

[john68]

If you didn't read the above post, please do so because it's relevent to this one.

You all seem to missing the point. You all seem to be looking for the one big issue, the common factor that draws it all together. YOU WON'T FIND IT...BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE. There are probably thousands of vested interest, sometime colluding, sometimes competing to get their snout in the trough. So many areas of vested interests from local to global and in between that the issue is so complex and the view is so clouded, that clear visibility on this is almost zero.

If you consider my previous post and can ascertain or calculate a total income figure from that lot...then answer me this...WHY? If there is so much money coming into football, 75% of which is generated in Europe...WHY? Are so many Premier League (the richest in Europe) clubs in so much fuclin debt?

INCOME BILLIONS + BILLIONS OF DEBT = WHOSE FUCLIN POCKET IS IT ALL IN....I'll bet it ain't yours.

[Goataldo]

If you didn't read the above post, please do so because it's relevent to this one.

You all seem to missing the point. You all seem to be looking for the one big issue, the common factor that draws it all together. YOU WON'T FIND IT...BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE. There are probably thousands of vested interest, sometime colluding, sometimes competing to get their snout in the trough. So many areas of vested interests from local to global and in between that the issue is so complex and the view is so clouded, that clear visibility on this is almost zero.

If you consider my previous post and can ascertain or calculate a total income figure from that lot...then answer me this...WHY? If there is so much money coming into football, 75% of which is generated in Europe...WHY? Are so many Premier League (the richest in Europe) clubs in so much fuclin debt?

INCOME BILLIONS + BILLIONS OF DEBT = WHOSE FUCLIN POCKET IS IT ALL IN....I'll bet it ain't yours.

After a brief but thorough pocket check revealed 26 pence, a button, some fluff and a small hole, I can confirm that you are indeed, correct.

[Rag_hater]

I have stated this previously and make no apology for doing so again...IN 2006, THE GLOBAL INCOME FROM FOOTBALL WAS OVER $500Bn. God only knows what that figure is now and if any of our financial wizards can dig it out, I'll be grateful.

Please remember that the quoted figure doesn't include any money earned by outside business through football, eg Stadia construction, catering, television, written media, travel companies, mechandisers, marketeers, advertising companies ticket agencies...etc...the list could be endless.

Add to that the sums earned by agents and shadt dealers who operate on the periphery of the game....and...my brain ceases to work after a certain total of zeros on the end of a number but the total must be at the very top end of beyond astronomical.

That is a lot of pies for a lot of fingers....and anyone who thinks that lot is squeaky clean is either naive beyond redemption or called Rag Hater.

I have no difficulty in believing the game is riddled by corruption,I do however believe that it is in no way directed at us which is how the argument started.We are just victims of a bigger picture and if we want to compete we have to accept thats the way things are.
People are hoping we are in some sort of scandel like Italy I think lessons have been learned from that and I think it is on a much more personnel basis the days of clubs getting away with corruption are over.

[feedthegreek]

i think its corrupt from top to bottom, but as rag hater says you can link things together but you cant prove anything. i was reading the football is fixed blog john which i think you have also read, loads of mysterious betting patterns lots of circumstantial evidence but no concrete proof. until we catch money paid to people reffing games trace were it came from etc, it will never change. according to what a lot of us think on here united could field 11, 12 year olds and still win the title. beause of it and my god it looks that way, but the ammunition of inconsistency always gives the likes of utd an easy way out, like linking the wellbeck pen to the johnson pen for us as an example.