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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:14 am

Rag_hater wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Bloody hell, Raggers is getting paranoid that everyone wants to fight him!


If you say so.
The thing is I do not have to have the same opinions as you.Believe it or not its not the law.
You lot are crying because we have had some shit refs well I have been around long enough to have seen it before and most of you have so the fact your making such a deal out of it is just sour grapes.
Tiatto against Boro as a shit one a few years ago springs to mind,sure many remember.Shit was going on then, and still is, everbody knows it.
All this bollox that its aimed at us is tedious.
No other team has ever had a bad or good reffing decision.
Our global image is being hurt by what suppository and crackhead say.Really.I was wondering why everything on sat afternoon here was closed, they have all stopped to listen to them.Fuckin hardly anyone watches thhem in uk but europe comes to a standstill.




A definition of opinion: "A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

What you spectacularly seem to fail to see is that lots of posters go out of their way to try to explain to you why they hold the opinions they do - and on this forum they wish to discuss those opinions with fellow blues.

They do not abuse you etc yet you seem to determined to refuse to allow them their opinions - why? By that definition they must be as valid as yours surely?

If you do not share the opinion then that is your right and this forum/ this thread is the place to say so - but to repeatedly go on and on (way beyond stating your opinion) is indeed (to use your word) tedious.

We get it we really do - you do not think that there is a material bias

OK - now that is understood and your opinion is accepted and respected by those that do not agree with you - can you not also accept and respect that we equally have a right to our opinion please
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby mcfc1632 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:29 am

Vieira obviously has an opinion similar to a lot on here given this extract from an article in the Independent:

"..............Manchester City's Patrick Vieira has suggested that a sequence of refereeing decisions which have gone against Roberto Mancini's side may reflect football's general bias against the club and a sense that "people don't want us to win the league."

The red cards dispensed to Vincent Kompany and, to a lesser extent, Mario Balotelli have left City substantially aggrieved, which is why Vieira, the club's football development executive, has spoken out. He cited the tackle by Frank Lampard on Wolves' Adam Hammill and Peter Crouch's apparent eye-poke of West Bromwich Albion defender Jonas Olsson as examples of unfair treatment of City. Lampard was only booked and Crouch's offence went undetected last month, as City lost first Kompany, then Balotelli, for four games apiece.

"Frank Lampard's tackle looked dangerous compared to Vincent's. Crouch, when he put his finger in the eye of another player, looked bad as well," Vieira said. "It felt like... anything that City will do will be amplified and we get punished, compared to the other teams and the other players.

"I don't want to think about it because I don't want to say that everyone is against City or anything like that. But when you look at the last few decisions, you are asking yourself if something is wrong here, if people don't want us to win the league..............."
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Lev Bronstein » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:48 am

So he's saying "I'm not paranoid, but...."

Sort of my position I suppose.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Dameerto » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:15 am

Rag_hater wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Bloody hell, Raggers is getting paranoid that everyone wants to fight him!


If you say so.
The thing is I do not have to have the same opinions as you.Believe it or not its not the law.
You lot are crying because we have had some shit refs well I have been around long enough to have seen it before and most of you have so the fact your making such a deal out of it is just sour grapes.
Tiatto against Boro as a shit one a few years ago springs to mind,sure many remember.Shit was going on then, and still is, everbody knows it.
All this bollox that its aimed at us is tedious.
No other team has ever had a bad or good reffing decision.
Our global image is being hurt by what suppository and crackhead say.Really.I was wondering why everything on sat afternoon here was closed, they have all stopped to listen to them.Fuckin hardly anyone watches thhem in uk but europe comes to a standstill.


Oh the irony. Hold onto that thought, and try applying it to other people not just yourself.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby john68 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:57 am

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactually, you made a bit of a knob of yourself with that I wanna fight post.

But thank you for making me laugh so much......Playground at break it is then......yer silly sod.
Or maybe your a Dalek escaped from Dr Who.....exteeeee-eeerminaa-aate!
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby kinkylola » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:33 am

think i'll be able to get this school yard rumble on PayPer View? hopefully there will be some streams up...
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Duckman » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:39 am

not sure if this has been posted, if was, not sure how I missed it.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-City-being-singled-out-by-refs-as-if-someone-want-to-stop-them-winning-title-says-Patrick-Vieira-article863432.html

Patrick Vieira has accused referees of mounting a conspiracy against Manchester City to deny them the Premier League title.

Former Arsenal midfielder Vieira, who is now a football development executive at City, claimed Roberto Mancini’s league leaders have been singled out by officials in recent weeks.

Vincent Kompany was hit with a four-game ban for a two-footed tackle, while Mario Balotelli suffered the same suspension following a retrospective punishment imposed for violent conduct.

Vieira claimed City have suffered unjustly at the hands of referees and suggested there was an agenda against the club to prevent them from landing a first Premier League crown.

“It felt like that anything that City will do will be amplified and we get punished, compared to the other teams and the other players” said Vieira. “I don’t want to think about it because I don’t want to say everyone is against City or anything like that.

“But when you look at the last few decisions, you are asking yourself if something is wrong here, if people don’t want us to win the league.”

Vieira cited Frank Lampard’s dangerous tackle on Wolves’ Adam Hammill and Peter Crouch’s alleged eye-gouging of West Brom’s Jonas Olsson as examples of inconsistencies in refereeing decisions.

Lampard, who admitted he was lucky not be sent off, was cautioned, while Kompany was shown a straight red card.

Crouch, unlike Balotelli, escaped retrospective action despite there being clear video evidence of his alleged offence.

Vieira said: “Lampard’s tackle looked dangerous compared to Vincent’s. Crouch, when he put his finger in the eye of another player, looked bad as well.

“We try our best to win the league, we accept our punishment. But when you look what is happening to the other ones, that makes us as a football club really frustrated.

“It seems like if you have one referee you get one decision but if you have a different referee the decision may also be different.

“It’s difficult to understand some decisions compared to the decisions we had. I think this is what brings the confusion. The confusion is dangerous for our game.

“Players are saying that they don’t know what the rules mean and if they are likely to be sent off or not.

“Confusion is really dangerous, especially for the referee and the refereeing body. I believe that they’re making the referees job more and more difficult.

“A good referee is someone who referees with his personality and with common sense, to make the decision he thinks is right at the moment, not because he’s afraid of the consequences.”

Vieira believes referees and their bosses are in danger of ruining English football and stripping the game of its unique passion with their zero tolerance policy towards tough tackling.

The former Arsenal star built a reputation as a formidable and dynamic midfield enforcer, renowned for his uncompromising tacking style, during his distinguished playing career.

But Vieira has become dismayed at refereeing standards and cited Kompany and Balotelli’s punishments as examples of why he is losing faith in officials.

“Mario didn’t get sent off, but when you look at the position of the referee you say ‘how couldn’t he see it?’,” said Vieira.

“Of course there’s going to be a debate, but he made his own decision [at the time] which he thought was right or wrong. I think this is the danger of not letting the referee just be a referee.

“With Vinnie my feeling was that when he went for the tackle he went for the ball. For me, it wasn’t a foul. I was quite surprised that the referee gave a foul.

“I was more surprised that he came out with a red card. Ten years ago the game was much more physical than it is now.

“Tackles that that were happening when I was playing at Arsenal. If that was a red card there would have been a sending off in every game I played for Arsenal.

“It was one of the harshest decisions I’ve ever seen in the last few months.

“England is the only country in the world where fans in the stadium applaud the striker who has scored but also the defender who wins the ball with a tackle.

“You will not get that anywhere else in the world. Now it looks like you can’t tackle anymore. The refereeing body has to be really careful to not kill the passion of the game.”

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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:36 am

john68 wrote:Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactually, you made a bit of a knob of yourself with that I wanna fight post.

But thank you for making me laugh so much......Playground at break it is then......yer silly sod.
Or maybe your a Dalek escaped from Dr Who.....exteeeee-eeerminaa-aate!
I hope they don't let you cut your own dinner up.....plastic knike would be ok though.

Grow up yer big tart!!!!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!


I am really sorry for the stuff I said before,lost my temper a bit.Sorry kid.
I have been TOLD to stop TELLING people what to think(a bit ironic methinks) so will stop doing so.No more from me on this thread.
Please accept my apologies.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:31 am

Some poor, innocent, social misfit, sat minding his own business on Colin Bell level one at the Blackburn game, will keep getting assaulted now.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby london blue 2 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:27 pm

kinkylola wrote:think i'll be able to get this school yard rumble on PayPer View? hopefully there will be some streams up...

Where's V-hero when you need him
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby MARKMAKAVELI » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:43 pm

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh, i'm too late. Good read anyway, cheers lads.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby john68 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:29 pm

Rag Hater,
Thank you for that post Mate...but quite honestly there is no apology necessary. I didn't take it seriously and I never supposed there was any real threat.
We all say stuff when we feel backed into a corner and sometimes it's good to let our frustrations and anger out.

It would only be fair to warn you that I have a black belt in origami...beware!!!!
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:05 am

Paddy Vieira's got it squared. When I knew we were getting him I thought it was a big mistake on the playing front but from a PR point of view he's worth every penny.

How many people will understand when a WC, EC, fuck it ... every Cup winner, literally says something that they know to be true and turn it against him? Maybe TS, but not many can say anything other.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Dameerto » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:03 pm

Hopefully it sparks some debate on the subject - and a spotlight on one or two individuals. I think that was the intention by the club.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby kinkylola » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:16 am

just as an interesting fact ... BBC still have Everton 1 - 0 City listed in their "league by league"
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:31 am

Those that have mentioned that the bias is clear and influenced by the standing of the 'top teams', money etc are right - and it is across the top leagues. I only caught a glimpse on a reply but in the RM game last night when they were surprisingly 1 down at home the Levante handballed in the box - so penalty - but FFS a sending off as well? I guess there was just a need to make sure that RM could come back to win
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:08 pm

kinkylola wrote:just as an interesting fact ... BBC still have Everton 1 - 0 City listed in their "league by league"

No longer. Let's hear it for Mick McCarthy.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby ashton287 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:42 pm

Under the headline Tevez: Treated like a dog. With a picture of Mancini with his hand on tevez's back (presumably as he comes on as a sub)

Carlos Tevez will report for training at Manchester City on Tuesday despite accusing Roberto Mancini of treating him "like a dog".

The striker has been exiled in his native Argentina since falling out with Mancini when he refused to come on as a substitute in the Champions League clash at Bayern Munich in September.

Exiled? He fucked off on a holiday at our expense the cunt. He chose it. Sky trying to make us look like the bad guy in this whole thing just shows the levels they will go to just to try and make us look like the big bad giant that ate the farmers daughter. Sky are as scummy as Kia.
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:00 pm

Sky are turning mate. Remember when they were all over us when we could get rid of a world player.

Just listenng to TS and I think there's a few who know the game saying it's down to Mancini, nothing else matters. I didn't think I'd hear that, or is that their opposite opinion view?
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Re: Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

Postby Goataldo » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:46 pm

Raggie-poos, was that earlier comment aimed at me? You think I'm offering you out? Talk about missing the point. Again.

I apologise if that's the way it came across, trying to arrange a fight with someone on the internet is not exactly my bag. Point I was making was in reference to what I interpreted, as you being overly partronising on occasion, with a level of disdain whcih seems to infer some kind of superiority complex. If you were to tell someone that you were talking down to them in real life, 'because they deserved it' - well, I wouldn't like to risk talking to people like that. Bit windy-uppy like.

Oh, and lighten up mate!

Or I WILL kick your head in. I'm joking, I'm joking! Jesus Christ.
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