German Football

[Arjan Van Schotte]

I like to keep in touch with german football and get over to games there a few times a year. love the atmosphere and the fans (generally), and think english fans could learn a lot tbh.

anyway - this story summed it up for me. Bundesliga 2 side Dynamo Dresden had to play a game behind closed doors at the weekend due to crowd trouble during an away cup game at Dortmund, and the game SOLD OUT! They got their biggest gate of the season and no-one was allowed in lolz:

DRESDEN, Germany -- German club Dynamo Dresden has sold out its 32,066-capacity stadium even though fans aren't allowed in for its second-division game against Ingolstadt.

Dynamo sold its last "ghost ticket" Saturday evening for a game played behind closed doors because of a stadium ban after rioting at a cup match at Borussia Dortmund.

Fans snapped up tickets in a show of solidarity with the club and gathered to watch the game -- a scoreless tie -- on big screens outside the stadium Sunday.

anyone else follow the game there?

Before kickoff, Dynamo said it would continue to "make space for everyone who doesn't want to go into the stadium."

Dresden was originally banned from the German Cup next season after the violence in Dortmund on Oct. 25, but the punishment was reduced on appeal.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/ ... tadium-ban

[TomS]

Dresden has a big hooligan following, many of them right wing lads. Don´t like them very much.

The point is, there was crowd trouble at nearly every game of them year in year out, but at the game in Dortmund there was nothing more than an impressive away following (10k) who started some flares and the police couldn´t handle it. OK, some interuptions of the game, but that was it. No big fights or something like that.
Their bad luck, they did it in a time when there is a big media hype about trouble and violence in german football.
"I´ve been to a football match and I survived" sums it up.

To get Arjans point, german football is worth it atm. Cheap tickets, beer and fags on the stands, safe standing and athmosphere at some grounds are just some points that come into my mind.

[phips]

I really enjoy watching German teams....their football is fun to watch.
They have a large amount of quality players over in Germany, especially ones of German descent.

Look out for Bayern in the CL and Germany in the summer.
Although I wouldnt be surprised if Borussia Dortmund wins the BL.

[Beefymcfc]

I played for FC Detmolde quite a few years back but didn't like their bacon butties.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't envy their league as there's a clear dip in quality, but their games are often exciting (as nobody defends properly) & their 'matchday experience' seems about 20 times more fun than ours & much cheaper.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

I don't envy their league as there's a clear dip in quality, but their games are often exciting (as nobody defends properly) & their 'matchday experience' seems about 20 times more fun than ours & much cheaper.

i guess therein lies the rub. it's a bit of a myth that german games cost about £5 to get in or summat - but when i'm there you get the definite feeling that the vast majority of fans are there to support their team rather than sit back and enjoy the "entertainment".

[Ted Hughes]

I don't envy their league as there's a clear dip in quality, but their games are often exciting (as nobody defends properly) & their 'matchday experience' seems about 20 times more fun than ours & much cheaper.

i guess therein lies the rub. it's a bit of a myth that german games cost about £5 to get in or summat - but when i'm there you get the definite feeling that the vast majority of fans are there to support their team rather than sit back and enjoy the "entertainment".

They aren't subject to the same restrictions as us, so all seem to be having much more fun whilst watching.

[BlueinBosnia]

it's a bit of a myth that german games cost about £5 to get in or summat

True, but Bundesliga 2 teams are generally cheaper to watch than both the Conference and the Welsh Prem.

[TomS]

Bremen lost 1-0 to Dortmund in a decent game with around 6-7 players of the normal starting 11 off....
Bayern 6-0 at Hertha.
What saved my day (not that I expected something out of the Dortmund away match under this circumstances) Hamburg lost 1-3 at home to one of the main rivals in relegation fight, Freiburg....
One for the elder guys who could remember the name, Borussia Mönchengladbach won at Leverkusen is (after relegation battle last year) now on their way into CL.

[Tokyo Blue]

Bremen lost 1-0 to Dortmund in a decent game with around 6-7 players of the normal starting 11 off....
Bayern 6-0 at Hertha.
What saved my day (not that I expected something out of the Dortmund away match under this circumstances) Hamburg lost 1-3 at home to one of the main rivals in relegation fight, Freiburg....
One for the elder guys who could remember the name, Borussia Mönchengladbach won at Leverkusen is (after relegation battle last year) now on their way into CL.

Ah yes, I remember. 17-year-old Nicky Reid on his debut marked Allan Simonsen. 1-1 it was and we went out on away goals. Brian Kidd also played for us, if memory serves.

Didn't we get Michael Frontzeck from them?

[david yearsley]

Bremen lost 1-0 to Dortmund in a decent game with around 6-7 players of the normal starting 11 off....
Bayern 6-0 at Hertha.
What saved my day (not that I expected something out of the Dortmund away match under this circumstances) Hamburg lost 1-3 at home to one of the main rivals in relegation fight, Freiburg....
One for the elder guys who could remember the name, Borussia Mönchengladbach won at Leverkusen is (after relegation battle last year) now on their way into CL.

Ah yes, I remember. 17-year-old Nicky Reid on his debut marked Allan Simonsen. 1-1 it was and we went out on away goals. Brian Kidd also played for us, if memory serves.

Didn't we get Michael Frontzeck from them?

No. we got thumped 3-1 in the return . Kazu Deyna with our consolation. The beginning of our decline sadly

As for German supporters etc there´s a bit of a connundrum here. I know our game has been overly sanitised but don´t you now start to see the similarities between what happened in England in the 80´s and Germany now? Beer , fags and food standing up with people pissing over you leads to the "caged animal" type of behaviour which lead to problem of the so-called "English disease" How long before Germany witnesses a major stadium disaster if you´ve got 10k knobheads travelling cross-country to behave like Dresden fans?

[TomS]

Yepp, DY, much parallels to the situation but with other sources.
The violence in the ultra movement is the one side, the kind of modern football in alls seaters where you should spent your well earned on the other..... Football is changung over here.

Dresden by the way in the middle of the next crowd violence.
Played in Frankfurt friday night, their "main rivals" in Div.2 for being violence champion, away support was forbidden from DFB after former troubles. About 3-400 of them got to Frankfurt into the ground next to the away section, dressed as Frankfurtfans..... After the match big trouble when Frankfurt tried to beat them up and they took the invitation.....

[david yearsley]

Yepp, DY, much parallels to the situation but with other sources.
The violence in the ultra movement is the one side, the kind of modern football in alls seaters where you should spent your well earned on the other..... Football is changung over here.

Dresden by the way in the middle of the next crowd violence.
Played in Frankfurt friday night, their "main rivals" in Div.2 for being violence champion, away support was forbidden from DFB after former troubles. About 3-400 of them got to Frankfurt into the ground next to the away section, dressed as Frankfurtfans..... After the match big trouble when Frankfurt tried to beat them up and they took the invitation.....

Yeah, agree - there does seem to be a divide between the Veltins, Allianz, Bay Arena ,Olympic , and a lot of the older less modernised stadiums that seem a bit ramshackle. I wonder if you think low prices contributes to the lack of investment in these older stadia?

[Dazzacity]

Although it isnt easy to admit, England has to have the crappist atmosphere's in europe.Fookin shocking the other night against Sportin until we looked like we were turning it around.Everytime we play a European side I find myself looking at the away fans in envy.I was actually stood on my seat shouting at the top of my voice to try and get some support goin-got fook all response. There's no point just singing once we're infront. The best time to sing is when our lads need us to get behind them.

Fair play to the like minded lad stood next to me. For much of the game we were singing on our own. At one stage we started chanting 'There's only two of us singing. two of us siiinging'

We really do only sing when we're winning. As fans, we need to grow a pair..

[dazby]

Use the phrase "I'm not stopping til you all join in.". That generally shames people into getting involved.

[PALUS]

Im glad that Dortmund is big again in Germany they relly have amazing funs and i love also Union Berlin funs and to add funs of Dresden have like blood bound with funs of Sarajevo if u look of any Dresden game u will see i dont know how u call that in England maybe Banners and signs are usually below the fans on canvas ,so you will see at every game Dresden big red banner with the inscription HORDE ZLA (Horde of evil) that is the name of Sarajevo fans and supporters Sarajevo do the same set of supporters Dresden banners on their games, also sometimes they go to assist each other in cheering and that relationship laste for about 30 long and some years.Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

[BlueinBosnia]

Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

Swansea & ADO den Haag
Notts County & Juventus
Linfield (NI) & either Rangers or Celtic (actually, this goes for quite a few Northern Irish clubs)

There's a few others, too. Normally due to links with a particular cult hero (at the moment we have fans popping in to watch Brentford 'cos of Uwe), and internationally due to friendlies, or short-lived one-off European campaigns.

[PALUS]

Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

Swansea & ADO den Haag
Notts County & Juventus
Linfield (NI) & either Rangers or Celtic (actually, this goes for quite a few Northern Irish clubs)

There's a few others, too. Normally due to links with a particular cult hero (at the moment we have fans popping in to watch Brentford 'cos of Uwe), and internationally due to friendlies, or short-lived one-off European campaigns.

Juventus i watch u know that guy from movie footbal factory and hes show when he was with Juventus funs like leaders and they say they hate evry english club or man even him (think that is the Heysel thing if i got it wrigth)

[Ted Hughes]

Use the phrase "I'm not stopping til you all join in.". That generally shames people into getting involved.

Worked for Hitler.

[simon12]

Is there in England any club of any connection of any kind with any club, whether domestic or international?

Swansea & ADO den Haag
Notts County & Juventus
Linfield (NI) & either Rangers or Celtic (actually, this goes for quite a few Northern Irish clubs)

There's a few others, too. Normally due to links with a particular cult hero (at the moment we have fans popping in to watch Brentford 'cos of Uwe), and internationally due to friendlies, or short-lived one-off European campaigns.

Linfield is Rangers and Chelsea.