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Re: pellegrini

Postby Swales4ever » Tue May 14, 2013 12:57 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:If it turns out that we end up with Pelligrini, how much of an under the radar appointment will it then be? Isn't this what we as City fans want, deep down inside? That is, for the owners not to go for the obvious choice (jose) but instead think about it a bit, do the research and pick someone perhaps not up and coming but at least not so highly esteemed and high profile.


I personally want someone who has won stuff. Because THAT is what is expected of this guy. None of that crap about building team for the future. That's job for Barcelona Boys (with Marwood giving them blow jobs under the desk). Pellegrini doesn't have experience of winning shit. He has experience of doing little bit better than expectations with unfancied sides. We are NOT unfancied side.


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Re: pellegrini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue May 14, 2013 12:57 pm

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carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:If it turns out that we end up with Pelligrini, how much of an under the radar appointment will it then be? Isn't this what we as City fans want, deep down inside? That is, for the owners not to go for the obvious choice (jose) but instead think about it a bit, do the research and pick someone perhaps not up and coming but at least not so highly esteemed and high profile.


I personally want someone who has won stuff. Because THAT is what is expected of this guy. None of that crap about building team for the future. That's job for Barcelona Boys (with Marwood giving them blow jobs under the desk). Pellegrini doesn't have experience of winning shit. He has experience of doing little bit better than expectations with unfancied sides. We are NOT unfancied side.


Moyes is doomed then.


I fucking hope so. AND isn't that what everyone was banging about when he was appointed by rags. Guy who has constanly done better than expected with lesser side with now winning pedigree. Everyone and their dog told me that's "tick-tock" and recipe for disaster. Now we are about to appoint some guy with same sort of history yet now he is going to be mega.


Pelligrini has a better pedegree than that cunt imo.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 1:01 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:If it turns out that we end up with Pelligrini, how much of an under the radar appointment will it then be? Isn't this what we as City fans want, deep down inside? That is, for the owners not to go for the obvious choice (jose) but instead think about it a bit, do the research and pick someone perhaps not up and coming but at least not so highly esteemed and high profile.


I personally want someone who has won stuff. Because THAT is what is expected of this guy. None of that crap about building team for the future. That's job for Barcelona Boys (with Marwood giving them blow jobs under the desk). Pellegrini doesn't have experience of winning shit. He has experience of doing little bit better than expectations with unfancied sides. We are NOT unfancied side.


Moyes is doomed then.


I fucking hope so. AND isn't that what everyone was banging about when he was appointed by rags. Guy who has constanly done better than expected with lesser side with now winning pedigree. Everyone and their dog told me that's "tick-tock" and recipe for disaster. Now we are about to appoint some guy with same sort of history yet now he is going to be mega.


Pelligrini has a better pedegree than that cunt imo.


He has done better in Chimp's League, Moyes has experience of Premier League. About the same the way I see it.

We are clearly aiming for Champion's League glory though so he needs be better than Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Vilanova, Ancellotti, Conte and likes of them.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 14, 2013 1:06 pm

I don't understand this stuff about Pellgrini not winning anything.

Apart from his one season at Real Madrid (where he won 75% of games) he has pretty much won everything he's had a decent chance of winning.

Are people suggesting Mancini or Mourinho for example would have won the league with Malaga or Villareal ?

Back home he won several cups & 3 titles with different teams before going to Spain. What else is he supposed to do ?

That's the same attitude as saying Mancini couldn't win here because he's only won in his own country.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue May 14, 2013 1:07 pm

I wanted Mourinho but no cunt wants him here either , so we cant have it both ways and make everyone happy can we.

Lets see what he brings to the table(Assuming its Peligrini) , after all the stories filtering out of the ETIHAD about Mancinis dictatorship Im glad hes fucked off , whoever comes in will be a massive improvement on 2 things ,good man management and tactical nouse.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 1:11 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:I don't understand this stuff about Pellgrini not winning anything.

Apart from his one season at Real Madrid (where he won 75% of games) he has pretty much won everything he's had a decent chance of winning.

Are people suggesting Mancini or Mourinho for example would have won the league with Malaga or Villareal ?

Back home he won several cups & 3 titles with different teams before going to Spain. What else is he supposed to do ?

That's the same attitude as saying Mancini couldn't win here because he's only won in his own country.


I'm not going to pretend winning La Liga anywhere else but Real or Barcelona would be easy but he hasn't won Spanish Cup for instance not once. And Barca and Real don't much fancy the Cup so there's your chance. And he has had couple of decent CL runs, not going to take that away from him, but he didn't manage to go all the way on that either.


Knowing how to win top competitions is quality as well. Most of the top managers in the world didn't start in top clubs but managed to win one way or another something for unfancied teams. Like Mancini did.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 14, 2013 1:23 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't understand this stuff about Pellgrini not winning anything.

Apart from his one season at Real Madrid (where he won 75% of games) he has pretty much won everything he's had a decent chance of winning.

Are people suggesting Mancini or Mourinho for example would have won the league with Malaga or Villareal ?

Back home he won several cups & 3 titles with different teams before going to Spain. What else is he supposed to do ?

That's the same attitude as saying Mancini couldn't win here because he's only won in his own country.


I'm not going to pretend winning La Liga anywhere else but Real or Barcelona would be easy but he hasn't won Spanish Cup for instance not once. And Barca and Real don't much fancy the Cup so there's your chance. And he has had couple of decent CL runs, not going to take that away from him, but he didn't manage to go all the way on that either.


Knowing how to win top competitions is quality as well. Most of the top managers in the world didn't start in top clubs but managed to win one way or another something for unfancied teams. Like Mancini did.


Barca & Real may not particularly fancy the cup but they still take some fucking stopping & if you do manage to get a season free from them, you then have the other teams to contend with, who see it as their only realistic chance of a trophy & balance it out against league position & sometimes European competition.

I don't think it's fair to judge him on that. Look at the mess City were in when we tried to play in the Europa & get top 4. Yaya couldn't even walk.

When he's had a decent chance to win stuff, he's done pretty well at it imo.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Stannaz1988 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:24 pm

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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 1:25 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't understand this stuff about Pellgrini not winning anything.

Apart from his one season at Real Madrid (where he won 75% of games) he has pretty much won everything he's had a decent chance of winning.

Are people suggesting Mancini or Mourinho for example would have won the league with Malaga or Villareal ?

Back home he won several cups & 3 titles with different teams before going to Spain. What else is he supposed to do ?

That's the same attitude as saying Mancini couldn't win here because he's only won in his own country.


I'm not going to pretend winning La Liga anywhere else but Real or Barcelona would be easy but he hasn't won Spanish Cup for instance not once. And Barca and Real don't much fancy the Cup so there's your chance. And he has had couple of decent CL runs, not going to take that away from him, but he didn't manage to go all the way on that either.


Knowing how to win top competitions is quality as well. Most of the top managers in the world didn't start in top clubs but managed to win one way or another something for unfancied teams. Like Mancini did.


Barca & Real may not particularly fancy the cup but they still take some fucking stopping & if you do manage to get a season free from them, you then have the other teams to contend with, who see it as their only realistic chance of a trophy & balance it out against league position & sometimes European competition.

I don't think it's fair to judge him on that. Look at the mess City were in when we tried to play in the Europa & get top 4. Yaya couldn't even walk.

When he's had a decent chance to win stuff, he's done pretty well at it imo.


He had pretty fucking sweet chance to win at least SOMETHING with Real and blew it. It's clear that he will get another go with us but such failure will lead into same outcome. And just like in Madrid, someone else will probably make the calls on players.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 14, 2013 1:31 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't understand this stuff about Pellgrini not winning anything.

Apart from his one season at Real Madrid (where he won 75% of games) he has pretty much won everything he's had a decent chance of winning.

Are people suggesting Mancini or Mourinho for example would have won the league with Malaga or Villareal ?

Back home he won several cups & 3 titles with different teams before going to Spain. What else is he supposed to do ?

That's the same attitude as saying Mancini couldn't win here because he's only won in his own country.


I'm not going to pretend winning La Liga anywhere else but Real or Barcelona would be easy but he hasn't won Spanish Cup for instance not once. And Barca and Real don't much fancy the Cup so there's your chance. And he has had couple of decent CL runs, not going to take that away from him, but he didn't manage to go all the way on that either.


Knowing how to win top competitions is quality as well. Most of the top managers in the world didn't start in top clubs but managed to win one way or another something for unfancied teams. Like Mancini did.


Barca & Real may not particularly fancy the cup but they still take some fucking stopping & if you do manage to get a season free from them, you then have the other teams to contend with, who see it as their only realistic chance of a trophy & balance it out against league position & sometimes European competition.

I don't think it's fair to judge him on that. Look at the mess City were in when we tried to play in the Europa & get top 4. Yaya couldn't even walk.

When he's had a decent chance to win stuff, he's done pretty well at it imo.


He had pretty fucking sweet chance to win at least SOMETHING with Real and blew it. It's clear that he will get another go with us but such failure will lead into same outcome. And just like in Madrid, someone else will probably make the calls on players.


Will be interesting to see how that works. I fancy targets will be a decision involving the manager, but in agreement with Tricky, possibly Vieira if he stays, Soriano & then ok'd & rubber stamped by the owner.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Lee_R » Tue May 14, 2013 2:59 pm

Whatever the thoughts on Pellegrini..

It occured to me that he did better in the league with Madrid than Mourinho has and IMO the league is always a true test of a club and managers credentials.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ezz » Tue May 14, 2013 3:10 pm

A little article here on him :

http://sport.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/pe ... gue-choice

Even as Manchester City’s fans reverberated Roberto Mancini’s name round Wembley on Saturday, the protest against the Italian’s imminent sacking seemed in vain.

Even more so after Wigan’s late winner condemned City to an embarrassing cup final defeat and a trophy-less season.

Indeed, after a week of intense speculation over his future, Mancini was dismissed as manager on Monday night, a year to the day after Sergio Aguero had famously changed the landscape of English football with one swish of his right foot and less than a year after penning a five-year contract worth around £35 million at City.

But with Malaga coach Manuel Pellegrini said to be succeeding Mancini at the Etihad, the City hierarchy already seems to have found their man. And all the evidence suggests he’s the right man.

By appointing Pellegrini as the man to take them forward, City would be making a very clear statement of where they expect the club to be competing; Europe.

The truth is Mancini’s future was decided long before Ben Watson’s header found the Wembley net on Saturday. In fact, the Italian’s fate might’ve been settled all the way back in November, when City crashed out of the Champions League at the group stage for the second successive season.

City might’ve been dealt a tough hand, drawn in the so-called ‘group of death’ on both occasions, but their performance, failing to win a single game and finishing bottom, was not fitting of City’s resources and expectations.

By contrast, Pellegrini’s unfashionable and unfancied Malaga side reached the competition’s quarter-finals, missing out on a place in the last four by virtue of a questionable offside call against Borussia Dortmund.

However, an approach for Pellegrini would be based on more than just results. By turning to him City would be a taking a truly European mentality, despite his Chilean nationality.

At both Malaga and Villarreal Pellegrini created a distinct identity and style of play, something City have lacked under Mancini.

While Mancini struggled to convey his ideas at City, often displaying a concerning lack of man-management acumen, Pellegrini’s greatest strength could be considered communication with his players.

And while Mancini’s stubbornness often distorted his true tactical ability, Pellegrini’s tactical nous has made him one of Europe’s most accomplished coaches.

A hallmark of Pellegrini’s sides at Malaga, Real Madrid and Villarreal has been intelligence and method in attack.

With the emergence of Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund as European superpowers, counter-attacking football is somewhat in vogue right now, but Pellegrini has demonstrated in this season’s Champions League the continued relevance of a calculated, patient approach based on technical ability.

Players like Sergio Aguero, David Silva and Carlos Tevez mean Pellegrini could implement that philosophy at City immediately. The appointment of former Barcelona directors Txiki Bergiristain last year suggested City would eventually adopt the ‘Spanish way’ and Pellegrini’s background suggests he would deliver that.

But, perhaps, the most appealing detail of Pelligrini’s C.V is his affinity for a long-term project, like the ones he oversaw at both Malaga and Villarreal.

Rather peculiarly for a club that has just fired their manager, City would be making a commitment to stability should they appoint the 59-year-old.

In many ways Pellegrini could actually be considered the anti-Mancini, or at least his opposite.

Of course, while Pellegrini has led two of the most compelling underdog stories of the Champions League era – with Villarreal reaching the semi-finals in 2005/06 and Malaga coming within seconds of the same stage this season – he presided over the most expensive squad ever assembled as manager of Real Madrid three years ago, splurging close to £200 million on Karim Benzema, Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo.

But despite leaving the Spanish capital after just one season Pellegrini boasts the highest win percentage (75%) of any Real Madrid manager under president and Galacticos visionary Florentino Perez, recording the highest league points tally in the club’s history (yet still finishing second to Barcelona).

The Chilean was not a victim of his own failure in Madrid but of Jose Mourinho’s availability after winning the Champions League with Inter Milan and Perez’s certainty the Portuguese could deliver the club’s coveted tenth European Cup.

Somewhat ironically, it is in the European arena where Pellegrini has now distinguished his already polished reputation and marked himself out to City, who now see the continent as the next stage in the club’s natural progression towards becoming a genuine force in the European game.

While Mancini will forever go down as the man who took City to the top of English football, Pellegrini could be the man to conquer Europe for them.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 14, 2013 3:23 pm

It's amazing the way press sides with certain managers and have axe to grind with certain managers from the get go. When Hughes was sacked and Mancini came in they were all crying for their rag bum boy who always talked a good game but never did shit. They always hated Mancini but now Pellegrini is getting sweet ride again. I like it. Will igve this guy some room to work with.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Lee_R » Tue May 14, 2013 3:23 pm

Ezz wrote:A little article here on him :

http://sport.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/pe ... gue-choice

Even as Manchester City’s fans reverberated Roberto Mancini’s name round Wembley on Saturday, the protest against the Italian’s imminent sacking seemed in vain.

Even more so after Wigan’s late winner condemned City to an embarrassing cup final defeat and a trophy-less season.

Indeed, after a week of intense speculation over his future, Mancini was dismissed as manager on Monday night, a year to the day after Sergio Aguero had famously changed the landscape of English football with one swish of his right foot and less than a year after penning a five-year contract worth around £35 million at City.

But with Malaga coach Manuel Pellegrini said to be succeeding Mancini at the Etihad, the City hierarchy already seems to have found their man. And all the evidence suggests he’s the right man.

By appointing Pellegrini as the man to take them forward, City would be making a very clear statement of where they expect the club to be competing; Europe.

The truth is Mancini’s future was decided long before Ben Watson’s header found the Wembley net on Saturday. In fact, the Italian’s fate might’ve been settled all the way back in November, when City crashed out of the Champions League at the group stage for the second successive season.

City might’ve been dealt a tough hand, drawn in the so-called ‘group of death’ on both occasions, but their performance, failing to win a single game and finishing bottom, was not fitting of City’s resources and expectations.

By contrast, Pellegrini’s unfashionable and unfancied Malaga side reached the competition’s quarter-finals, missing out on a place in the last four by virtue of a questionable offside call against Borussia Dortmund.

However, an approach for Pellegrini would be based on more than just results. By turning to him City would be a taking a truly European mentality, despite his Chilean nationality.

At both Malaga and Villarreal Pellegrini created a distinct identity and style of play, something City have lacked under Mancini.

While Mancini struggled to convey his ideas at City, often displaying a concerning lack of man-management acumen, Pellegrini’s greatest strength could be considered communication with his players.

And while Mancini’s stubbornness often distorted his true tactical ability, Pellegrini’s tactical nous has made him one of Europe’s most accomplished coaches.

A hallmark of Pellegrini’s sides at Malaga, Real Madrid and Villarreal has been intelligence and method in attack.

With the emergence of Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund as European superpowers, counter-attacking football is somewhat in vogue right now, but Pellegrini has demonstrated in this season’s Champions League the continued relevance of a calculated, patient approach based on technical ability.

Players like Sergio Aguero, David Silva and Carlos Tevez mean Pellegrini could implement that philosophy at City immediately. The appointment of former Barcelona directors Txiki Bergiristain last year suggested City would eventually adopt the ‘Spanish way’ and Pellegrini’s background suggests he would deliver that.

But, perhaps, the most appealing detail of Pelligrini’s C.V is his affinity for a long-term project, like the ones he oversaw at both Malaga and Villarreal.

Rather peculiarly for a club that has just fired their manager, City would be making a commitment to stability should they appoint the 59-year-old.

In many ways Pellegrini could actually be considered the anti-Mancini, or at least his opposite.

Of course, while Pellegrini has led two of the most compelling underdog stories of the Champions League era – with Villarreal reaching the semi-finals in 2005/06 and Malaga coming within seconds of the same stage this season – he presided over the most expensive squad ever assembled as manager of Real Madrid three years ago, splurging close to £200 million on Karim Benzema, Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo.

But despite leaving the Spanish capital after just one season Pellegrini boasts the highest win percentage (75%) of any Real Madrid manager under president and Galacticos visionary Florentino Perez, recording the highest league points tally in the club’s history (yet still finishing second to Barcelona).

The Chilean was not a victim of his own failure in Madrid but of Jose Mourinho’s availability after winning the Champions League with Inter Milan and Perez’s certainty the Portuguese could deliver the club’s coveted tenth European Cup.

Somewhat ironically, it is in the European arena where Pellegrini has now distinguished his already polished reputation and marked himself out to City, who now see the continent as the next stage in the club’s natural progression towards becoming a genuine force in the European game.

While Mancini will forever go down as the man who took City to the top of English football, Pellegrini could be the man to conquer Europe for them.



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Re: pellegrini

Postby phips » Tue May 14, 2013 3:48 pm

rumblings are that Barca could swoop for him...

"I have not signed an agreement with anyone, not with Manchester City, not with Roma, not with Napoli, not with PSG, not with any of the clubs who have been mentioned.

reading between the lines, he's not denying the potential of going to Barca to replace the ill Villanova.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby ashton287 » Tue May 14, 2013 4:21 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:It's amazing the way press sides with certain managers and have axe to grind with certain managers from the get go. When Hughes was sacked and Mancini came in they were all crying for their rag bum boy who always talked a good game but never did shit. They always hated Mancini but now Pellegrini is getting sweet ride again. I like it. Will igve this guy some room to work with.


They will turn on him the second (if) he is appointed. They have been up his arse so far just to pile the shit on Mancini.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Tue May 14, 2013 4:29 pm

If Pellegrini does become our new Manager, I'm surmising that we won't see any new signings this summer.

If one of his 'strengths' is getting the best out of the players he has, then that's just exactly what he will be required to do, especially as Bob's pay-off, together with those of the rest of his backroom staff (??), will/could amount to a tidy sum. FFP will also play a major part in also curbing any acquisitions as we're not Bayern Munich with all their current purchases being entirely funded from their revenue streams. Mmmmm......

On the playing side, if 4-2-2-2 is Pellegrini's preferred formation, it will be interesting to see how this pans out and how flexible this way of playing is as, on the face of it, all those posters on here who bemoan our current lack of width look as though they're going to suffer disappointment, because the team pattern might initially appear to be very narrow.

I'm surmising that there will be two 'sitting' midfielders in front of the back four who will be more defensive in outlook, leaving a 'floating four' in front of them to play in a mobile way and provide some of the width required. If it turns out that way, it would be interesting to see which of our current playing squad would fit best into such a fluid formation.

In the same way and from assessments on the Internet, it would seem that Pellegrini loves ball retention. In the FA Cup final against Wigan, I got fed up at the sight of Gareth Barry, in particular, any number of times banging the ball forward in ambitious/aimless/frustrated fashion only to give possession away far too cheaply. On that basis, under Pellegrini, that tactic would seem to be ruled out which can only be a good thing.


Anyway, these are just a few random thoughts on us recruiting Pellegrini, unless the owners do something entirely different instead and sign Frank Rijkaard.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Tue May 14, 2013 5:10 pm

He reminds me of Skeletor.

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Postby johnny crossan » Tue May 14, 2013 5:13 pm

If it's not the sparkling one it will be a complete disaster for the club.
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