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Re: pellegrini

Postby twosips » Wed May 29, 2013 10:41 pm

"If it happens, Manchester City will have a team that plays very good football"

A Pellegrini quote. He's not lacking in self-confidence is he? Clearly angling for the job too.
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Re: pellegrini

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Re: pellegrini

Postby The Foggy Blue » Wed May 29, 2013 10:44 pm

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Re: pellegrini

Postby Saul Goodman » Wed May 29, 2013 11:30 pm

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Manuel Pellegrini has revealed he has a verbal agreement with Manchester City to take over from Roberto Mancini as manager.

The Malaga manager has been tabbed as Mancini's replacement since the Italian was fired just before the end of the Premier League season.

Pellegrini guided Malaga to their highest ever league finish last season as they ended the campaign in fourth to qualify for their debut in the Champions League.

They went on to reach the last-eight of the competition and were only seconds away from beating eventual losing finalists Borussia Dortmund to reach the semi-finals.

"I have a verbal agreement with them and I hope it is carried out," he said in an interview with the Andalusian television station Canal Sur on Wednesday.

"As of today, I don't have a signed contract.

"It is true that Manchester City have shown a lot of interest that I become their coach and I have had conversations with them.

"Until things have been signed, you cannot say everything is completely done."
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Re: pellegrini

Postby avoidconfusion » Thu May 30, 2013 7:40 am

Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu May 30, 2013 7:42 am

avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?

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Re: pellegrini

Postby Original Dub » Thu May 30, 2013 7:43 am

avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


Christ mate, relax.

He can't sign until he plays his last game ffs!
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Re: pellegrini

Postby sidSmith » Thu May 30, 2013 7:44 am

avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


Maureen on the cards, perhaps? Is Pellegrini talking about this his way of forcing the issue? All seems very odd!
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Risby » Thu May 30, 2013 7:47 am

avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


I think it is down to being respectful to Malaga. He's not finished there yet and I suppose he doesn't want to cause unrest in the camp if he shows he has moved on to pastures new.

It will all be sorted soon - I hope!
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu May 30, 2013 11:03 am

Risby wrote:
avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


I think it is down to being respectful to Malaga. He's not finished there yet and I suppose he doesn't want to cause unrest in the camp if he shows he has moved on to pastures new.

It will all be sorted soon - I hope!


Well you would have thought he'd have kept his trap shut full stop if that was the case.

I'm inclined to think he is 99% certain for the job, but there is clearly some issue. There is no legal reason at all that contracts can't be signed for a date in the future, particularly as Malaga have already agreed to release him.

Something's afoot, but hopefully its only a technicality rather than us doing a fucking dance with Mourinho
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Alex Sapphire » Thu May 30, 2013 11:24 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Risby wrote:
avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


I think it is down to being respectful to Malaga. He's not finished there yet and I suppose he doesn't want to cause unrest in the camp if he shows he has moved on to pastures new.

It will all be sorted soon - I hope!


Well you would have thought he'd have kept his trap shut full stop if that was the case.

I'm inclined to think he is 99% certain for the job, but there is clearly some issue. There is no legal reason at all that contracts can't be signed for a date in the future, particularly as Malaga have already agreed to release him.

Something's afoot, but hopefully its only a technicality rather than us doing a fucking dance with Mourinho


he's bound by his contract until it ends. malaga's agreement to release him is the thing that's future dated.
It is illegal to interfere with a contract between two parties, so we have actually overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement, so yes he should have kept schtum
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Lee_R » Thu May 30, 2013 11:36 am

Alex Sapphire wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Risby wrote:
avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


I think it is down to being respectful to Malaga. He's not finished there yet and I suppose he doesn't want to cause unrest in the camp if he shows he has moved on to pastures new.

It will all be sorted soon - I hope!


Well you would have thought he'd have kept his trap shut full stop if that was the case.

I'm inclined to think he is 99% certain for the job, but there is clearly some issue. There is no legal reason at all that contracts can't be signed for a date in the future, particularly as Malaga have already agreed to release him.

Something's afoot, but hopefully its only a technicality rather than us doing a fucking dance with Mourinho


he's bound by his contract until it ends. malaga's agreement to release him is the thing that's future dated.
It is illegal to interfere with a contract between two parties, so we have actually overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement, so yes he should have kept schtum


Seems he has more class than our hirers and firers already.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Thu May 30, 2013 11:38 am

Going off at a completely boring tangent, I always thought (from the sizeable number of reports written about him coming to City) that Pellegrini was 59 years old.

However, in the last couple of days, in several articles written in the Daily Mirror, his age is now being stated by them as 62.

Has Old Father Time being playing tricks on everyone, or do the upstanding journalists in that newspaper know something that no-one else knows ??
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu May 30, 2013 11:50 am

Alex Sapphire wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Risby wrote:
avoidconfusion wrote:Maybe I am a Cynic but I can see this all go horribly wrong... why is there only a verbal agreement and no signed contract? It doesn't sound to me like the reason for that is Pellegrini, it sounds to me like the Club is delaying this for some reason.... what the fuck is going on?


I think it is down to being respectful to Malaga. He's not finished there yet and I suppose he doesn't want to cause unrest in the camp if he shows he has moved on to pastures new.

It will all be sorted soon - I hope!


Well you would have thought he'd have kept his trap shut full stop if that was the case.

I'm inclined to think he is 99% certain for the job, but there is clearly some issue. There is no legal reason at all that contracts can't be signed for a date in the future, particularly as Malaga have already agreed to release him.

Something's afoot, but hopefully its only a technicality rather than us doing a fucking dance with Mourinho


he's bound by his contract until it ends. malaga's agreement to release him is the thing that's future dated.
It is illegal to interfere with a contract between two parties, so we have actually overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement, so yes he should have kept schtum


Huh?

You aren't interfering with anything if your new agreement begins when the old agreement ends. Standard practice is that a new employee signs a contract dated with their expected start date before they leave the old job - or for that matter even without a start date if there are loose ends to tie up.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Herb » Thu May 30, 2013 12:03 pm

Alex Sapphire wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Risby wrote:
avoidconfusion wrote:he's bound by his contract until it ends. malaga's agreement to release him is the thing that's future dated.
It is illegal to interfere with a contract between two parties, so we have actually overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement, so yes he should have kept schtum


Where did you study law then? Are you suggesting that it's illegal to seek another job while already employed or that it's illegal to seek to employ somebody already employed by someone else? I'm sorry but I've got to contest that view because it's a total misconception and a ridiculous slur on the integrity of our owners who will, I believe, conduct their affairs with due diligence ensuring the very best of legal advice.

Please understand that we have not interfered with a contract between two parties because it's not illegal to vie for trade so we have not overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement.
If we had signed up to a written agreement that interfered with an existing agreement (a contract that comes into effect before his existing contract ends) then Pellegrini himself may have been in breach of his contract (as there's likely a clause to the effect that he can't enter into contract with another party while bound by his existing contract) but not us as we are not party to his agreement and, regardless, that isn't the case.

I also hold the view that we could be signed up to a written memorandum of understanding / letter of intent that takes us into contract subject to his existing contract being terminated - that would be a written agreement alongside his current but equally not illegal as it's 'effect' would be consecutive not concurrent. That could happen but rarely does because case law suggests that an agreement to agree is probably no easier to enforce than a verbal agreement and ergo not worth the paper its written on.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu May 30, 2013 12:32 pm

Herb wrote:
Alex Sapphire wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Risby wrote:
avoidconfusion wrote:he's bound by his contract until it ends. malaga's agreement to release him is the thing that's future dated.
It is illegal to interfere with a contract between two parties, so we have actually overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement, so yes he should have kept schtum


Where did you study law then? Are you suggesting that it's illegal to seek another job while already employed or that it's illegal to seek to employ somebody already employed by someone else? I'm sorry but I've got to contest that view because it's a total misconception and a ridiculous slur on the integrity of our owners who will, I believe, conduct their affairs with due diligence ensuring the very best of legal advice.

Please understand that we have not interfered with a contract between two parties because it's not illegal to vie for trade so we have not overstepped the mark if we have a verbal agreement.
If we had signed up to a written agreement that interfered with an existing agreement (a contract that comes into effect before his existing contract ends) then Pellegrini himself may have been in breach of his contract (as there's likely a clause to the effect that he can't enter into contract with another party while bound by his existing contract) but not us as we are not party to his agreement and, regardless, that isn't the case.

I also hold the view that we could be signed up to a written memorandum of understanding / letter of intent that takes us into contract subject to his existing contract being terminated - that would be a written agreement alongside his current but equally not illegal as it's 'effect' would be consecutive not concurrent. That could happen but rarely does because case law suggests that an agreement to agree is probably no easier to enforce than a verbal agreement and ergo not worth the paper its written on.


Explained far better than I could be arsed doing, well in you boring cunt ;0)
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Sideshow Bob » Thu May 30, 2013 12:33 pm

Herb wrote:no easier to enforce than a verbal agreement and ergo not worth the paper its written on.


i think you meant to say oral. verbal can mean oral or written. oh, and many oral contracts are enforceable...
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Re: pellegrini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu May 30, 2013 12:42 pm

Sideshow Bob wrote:
Herb wrote:no easier to enforce than a verbal agreement and ergo not worth the paper its written on.


i think you meant to say oral. verbal can mean oral or written. oh, and many oral contracts are enforceable...


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Re: pellegrini

Postby john68 » Thu May 30, 2013 12:47 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Sideshow Bob wrote:
Herb wrote:no easier to enforce than a verbal agreement and ergo not worth the paper its written on.


i think you meant to say oral. verbal can mean oral or written. oh, and many oral contracts are enforceable...


Without witnesses Oral contracts are worthless.


Without witnesses oral contacts can be quite fun Mate.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Sideshow Bob » Thu May 30, 2013 12:52 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Sideshow Bob wrote:
Herb wrote:no easier to enforce than a verbal agreement and ergo not worth the paper its written on.


i think you meant to say oral. verbal can mean oral or written. oh, and many oral contracts are enforceable...


Without witnesses Oral contracts are worthless.


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