Fernandinho

[Beefymcfc]

But what does he do?

PS. Were they last years CL stats?

[Yaya Toure is a LAD]

It's two games in ffs! Fernan can change you know!

[ant london]

I'd like to see him paired with Rodwell with Yaya pushed forward, even if we sacrifice a striker for some games/periods

We've missed Barry and if Barry isn't going to feature we need someone to do a similar job. Asking Fernandinho to do it is a waste and we all know from previous experience that Yaya simply cannot/does not do it

[Ted Hughes]

I'd like to see him paired with Rodwell with Yaya pushed forward, even if we sacrifice a striker for some games/periods

We've missed Barry and if Barry isn't going to feature we need someone to do a similar job. Asking Fernandinho to do it is a waste and we all know from previous experience that Yaya simply cannot/does not do it

We know that, but does the Count ?

New managers often have to see it for themselves but Mancini seemed to keep trusting Yaya to do that job in Europe, no matter how many times he let him down, possibly because he KNEW Yaya is capable of it. Barry was also obviously one of the first names on Mancini's teamsheet, with good reason imo, but the Count doesn't seem to rate him. Possibly that is down to age/fitness etc, but Ferguson imo would keep him if he were our manager.

Fernandinho, imo, will never be a player we can sit in front of the defence, & trust. Neither will Yaya. But if we were Barca, & always had the ball, then I could see a plan where it might work as the team defends & attacks together.

However, Aguero/Dzeko etc are just too fucking inconsistant in their workrate imo to do that. Barca/Spain often play without a striker in order to make that system work, we are talking two upfront. Silva often tries hard to track back but struggles to do it for a long period; there's 3 defensive positions missing.

I just don't see how the fuck we can have Yaya/Fernandinho, plus two upfront & get away with it. Not against proper competition anyway. I wouldn't expect Hull, at our place, to cause a problem for that formation, but I would expect the rags to rip us to pieces on the break.

In games v the rags during Mancini's reign, Nige, Barry, Milner, have all been crucial at different times.

Mancini, like Fernandinho, is no mug.

[ant london]

Agree fully.....I guess some mistakes you need to figure out yourself but I'd hope that one of the things Kiddo could help accelerate is telling the Count that Yaya is hopeless at that role. As you say he COULD do it but he certainly has never shown he can/will do it CONSISTENTLY which is what is needed.

IMO Milner Barry Rodwell could all do what is needed. If we sacrifice a striker and push Yaya (or fernandinho) on I don't think we lose much offensively and we make things a lot more solid.

[Ted Hughes]

Agree fully.....I guess some mistakes you need to figure out yourself but I'd hope that one of the things Kiddo could help accelerate is telling the Count that Yaya is hopeless at that role. As you say he COULD do it but he certainly has never shown he can/will do it CONSISTENTLY which is what is needed.

IMO Milner Barry Rodwell could all do what is needed. If we sacrifice a striker and push Yaya (or fernandinho) on I don't think we lose much offensively and we make things a lot more solid.

Yaya, is the best player in the world if he wants to be imo. But he's happy just to get through games doing the minimum required.

But imo we have another problem in that we are trying to build a team around Silva & Aguero, & they don't deserve it.

We have the players to be the hardest to break down midfield in Europe imo but we need to pick numbers upfront to do the business because one or two won't do it. If you had a time machine to replace Silva & Aguero with Colin Bell & Francis Lee, that team would never fucking lose.

Silva & Aguero are two of the best players in the world, but what they are actually producing, week in week out, is not good enough for us to pick the side we want, or play the way we want to play.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Love the sentiment Ted and I rate the player, but he had a mare for me other night.

He obviously ran a lot, but him and Yaya looked like under 8's going wherever they wanted.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Thing is, he just isn' t clicking with Yaya (yet?). Now he needs time to get used to new surroundings and blah blah blah and we don't know exactly how much he cost blah blah blah. Truth is though that Spafia went with quick fix route by bringing experienced players who cost lot of money. Now Fernandinho is 28 and he was brought to do business NOW.

And I hope people don't get this post the wrong way. I like his movement and touch. He is no Garcia I can say that already. But if Pellegrini is going to continue with 4-2-2-2 he has been using so far in two games then it will be elemental that Yaya and Fernandinho can form some sort of chemistry NOW.

[Slim]

Two games in.

Anyone who criticizes a new signing after playing two games must be a clairvoyant or moronic.

[Hazy2]

Two games in.

Anyone who criticizes a new signing after playing two games must be a clairvoyant or moronic.

Agreed, he needs to settle in and show why we paid top dollar for him over time. I have no doubts he is going to be star player for us.

[sheblue]

Two games in.

Anyone who criticizes a new signing after playing two games must be a clairvoyant or moronic.

Agreed, he needs to settle in and show why we paid top dollar for him over time. I have no doubts he is going to be star player for us.

Have to agree, its all a bit early. He was excellent on his debut and was not the worst culprit on sunday, not by a long shot.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Two games in.

Anyone who criticizes a new signing after playing two games must be a clairvoyant or moronic.

I don't recognise this word but I believe you meant judges.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Fernandinho will be top notch for City.I would rather have him in the team than Yaya if there can only be one of them.

[bigblue]

Yaya, is the best player in the world if he wants to be imo. But he's happy just to get through games doing the minimum required.

Very unfair to Yaya and also inaccurate. Someone doesn't get to his level without wanting to win every game.

[Ted Hughes]

Yaya, is the best player in the world if he wants to be imo. But he's happy just to get through games doing the minimum required.

Very unfair to Yaya and also inaccurate. Someone doesn't get to his level without wanting to win every game.

Rodney Marsh wanted to win every game, as did Kinkladze. They were a right pair of lazy cunts but they wanted to win.

Yaya is capable of completely overwhelming any opponent defensively. He only actually chases back at full speed once or twice per game. When he does, he almost always gets the ball back. Colin Bell would do the same 30 times if needed. It would hurt, but he would do it.

Yaya is no Colin Bell but It is within his ability to do more of it. He chooses not to. He covers ground & is actually moving quite a lot, but he's jogging most of the time, not pushing himself.

[bigblue]

Yaya, is the best player in the world if he wants to be imo. But he's happy just to get through games doing the minimum required.

Very unfair to Yaya and also inaccurate. Someone doesn't get to his level without wanting to win every game.

Rodney Marsh wanted to win every game, as did Kinkladze. They were a right pair of lazy cunts but they wanted to win.

Yaya is capable of completely overwhelming any opponent defensively. He only actually chases back at full speed once or twice per game. When he does, he almost always gets the ball back. Colin Bell would do the same 30 times if needed. It would hurt, but he would do it.

Yaya is no Colin Bell but It is within his ability to do more of it. He chooses not to. He covers ground & is actually moving quite a lot, but he's jogging most of the time, not pushing himself.

I think he knows that if he is sprinting the whole game he will be knackered when he gets the ball and unable to perform to the best of his ability. It's not that he is happy with the minimum, it's that he just knows his own limitations.

If he was happy with the minimum required, he wouldn't act as the focal point for our all of possession and constantly show for the ball. I just get the impression that people are slating him for things that are not in the manager's instructions.

[Ted Hughes]

Yaya, is the best player in the world if he wants to be imo. But he's happy just to get through games doing the minimum required.

Very unfair to Yaya and also inaccurate. Someone doesn't get to his level without wanting to win every game.

Rodney Marsh wanted to win every game, as did Kinkladze. They were a right pair of lazy cunts but they wanted to win.

Yaya is capable of completely overwhelming any opponent defensively. He only actually chases back at full speed once or twice per game. When he does, he almost always gets the ball back. Colin Bell would do the same 30 times if needed. It would hurt, but he would do it.

Yaya is no Colin Bell but It is within his ability to do more of it. He chooses not to. He covers ground & is actually moving quite a lot, but he's jogging most of the time, not pushing himself.

I think he knows that if he is sprinting the whole game he will be knackered when he gets the ball and unable to perform to the best of his ability. It's not that he is happy with the minimum, it's that he just knows his own limitations.

If he was happy with the minimum required, he wouldn't act as the focal point for our all of possession and constantly show for the ball. I just get the impression that people are slating him for things that are not in the manager's instructions.

He will be knackered if he works hard yes. Just as Milner is.

He prefers not to be.

And if the manager tells him to let players run without picking them up, he wants sacking.

[twosips]

Yaya could do so so so much more if he wanted to. He can completely dominate whole games easily. He just doesn't sadly.

If he got to edge of the area and ran at defences often he'd score 20 goals a season and create fuck loads more.

[bigblue]

Yaya could do so so so much more if he wanted to. He can completely dominate whole games easily. He just doesn't sadly.

If he got to edge of the area and ran at defenses often he'd score 20 goals a season and create fuck loads more.

First sentence is such bullshit. Why would he not want to "completely dominate whole games easily"???? Simply because he is lazy?

"If he just got to the edge of the area"... Do you ever think that the team plan is for him to stay in a set position? While we're at it, Kompany is under-performing because if he just made more runs in behind the defense he would score 30 goals a season.

Yaya already dominates games when were in possession. And that is why he is on the field. Two different managers, both experts on football, both have seemingly placed the same value on Yaya and chosen pretty much the same role for him. Is it because Yaya is a petulant child who demands to play then disregards the manager and team's best interests whenever he steps on the field? Or is it because maybe Mancini, Pellegrini, and our team see his role differently than some armchair supporters?

[Original Dub]

Yaya has the ability to both grab games by the scruff of the neck and turn a match on its head.

Unfortunately, he walks around in a lot of games and when he isn't interested, we lose matches. I don't question his ability at all.

I would most certainly question his attitude and commitment to the team at times.