Fernandinho

[Slim]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

[JamieMCFC]

Here managers get sacked after 5 games (Di Canio this season)

I can see the point you are trying to make. But this one came down to player power. It had more to do with that just the 5 games Di Canio managed.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Some decisions are just plain bad. De Canio, John Mattocks, Alan Ball.

[Spurge]

Lets right him off after half a dozen games....yeh why not.... Fernandihno's new to the team, the team sets up differently and you know what it's centre mid that's more exposed under the new approach, so hardly surprising that of the newbies this guy's finding it tougher than the others. Negredo has a strike partner, Navas has been given a licence to attack down the right - it's what they do. So cut him some slack I'm sure he'll come good.

Here managers get sacked after 5 games (Di Canio this season), others come under pressure in 6 games into the season (Padrew, Jol) ... hell Arse were calling for Wenger's head after game 1 ... so why can't we as fans judge a player after 12 games? I haven't asked for Fernandhino's head (just to clarify), am just questioning the premise that oh it's only been 12 games ... how many is enough? 12 games or 12 seasons? Hell for someone even 12 mins of game might be enough to form an opinion ... everyone's entitled to theirs, and that includes how long they take forming that. In your eyes they might be hasty, but similarly in their eyes you might be the one who can't make up his mind ...

is your favourite number 12 by any chance?

Oh and yes you're right he's shit lets get rid, we could throw pellers out as well whilst we are at it - who else should go?

[Bleed_Blue]

A good read about Fernandinho :

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1821 ... d-man-city

[london blue 2]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

[Ted Hughes]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

But if anyone thinks Fernandinho is shit, they should take up watching a different sport.

The question is whether he is the best player we could have signed, to be doing the job he has been given. And my answer to that is a resounding NO.

But to come into the Premier League against experienced pros & do what he has done, is remarkable imo.

I just hope that he is eventually allowed the freedom to play his natural game & not permanently turned into a Barry/DeJong kind of player. He is a world class centre mid who has twice the ability of those two put together.

[Slim]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

But if anyone thinks Fernandinho is shit, they should take up watching a different sport.

The question is whether he is the best player we could have signed, to be doing the job he has been given. And my answer to that is a resounding NO.

But to come into the Premier League against experienced pros & do what he has done, is remarkable imo.

I just hope that he is eventually allowed the freedom to play his natural game & not permanently turned into a Barry/DeJong kind of player. He is a world class centre mid who has twice the ability of those two put together.

Yes, but as you have highlighted, he isn't a defensive midfielder.

Some times we have the need for a defensive midfielder and we don't have a great pool of resources in that area. Garcia is probably our only recognised DM and the less said on him the better.

[Ted Hughes]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

But if anyone thinks Fernandinho is shit, they should take up watching a different sport.

The question is whether he is the best player we could have signed, to be doing the job he has been given. And my answer to that is a resounding NO.

But to come into the Premier League against experienced pros & do what he has done, is remarkable imo.

I just hope that he is eventually allowed the freedom to play his natural game & not permanently turned into a Barry/DeJong kind of player. He is a world class centre mid who has twice the ability of those two put together.

Yes, but as you have highlighted, he isn't a defensive midfielder.

Some times we have the need for a defensive midfielder and we don't have a great pool of resources in that area. Garcia is probably our only recognised DM and the less said on him the better.

Pity about Garcia.

Imo, if he had the time to play PL football week in week out & learn from his own mistakes, he would actually become a top player in that position. But we don't have that luxury. If Barry had come to a top City side ten years ago, he would have had the same problem I recon. Garcia playing at somewhere like Everton for five years would become a very sought after player imo.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

But if anyone thinks Fernandinho is shit, they should take up watching a different sport.

The question is whether he is the best player we could have signed, to be doing the job he has been given. And my answer to that is a resounding NO.

But to come into the Premier League against experienced pros & do what he has done, is remarkable imo.

I just hope that he is eventually allowed the freedom to play his natural game & not permanently turned into a Barry/DeJong kind of player. He is a world class centre mid who has twice the ability of those two put together.

Barry and De Jong never played the same role for us and Fernandinho certainly isn't playing the De Jong role now.

Pellegrini is attempting to play what I believe they call in modern parlance 'the double pivot'. The problem is Yaya's token defending which often leaves Fernandinho cleaning up, much the same way Barry did. Given time and perhaps Pogba ( or Rodwell if he ever gets fit ) this system will settle down and we'll see the best of Fernandinho in an attacking sense.

[Ted Hughes]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

But if anyone thinks Fernandinho is shit, they should take up watching a different sport.

The question is whether he is the best player we could have signed, to be doing the job he has been given. And my answer to that is a resounding NO.

But to come into the Premier League against experienced pros & do what he has done, is remarkable imo.

I just hope that he is eventually allowed the freedom to play his natural game & not permanently turned into a Barry/DeJong kind of player. He is a world class centre mid who has twice the ability of those two put together.

Barry and De Jong never played the same role for us and Fernandinho certainly isn't playing the De Jong role now.

Pellegrini is attempting to play what I believe they call in modern parlance 'the double pivot'. The problem is Yaya's token defending which often leaves Fernandinho cleaning up, much the same way Barry did. Given time and perhaps Pogba ( or Rodwell if he ever gets fit ) this system will settle down and we'll see the best of Fernandinho in an attacking sense.

I agree with your assessment, but Yaya is too good to drop, & that is Fernandinho's problem.

We either drop a striker or attacking mid, or Fernandinho is stuck in a role as Gareth Barry.

Must add: watched a recording of the West Ham game with cans on & from time to time someone is yelling at Yaya to get involved defensively & tbf he makes some good interceptions, including a big effort right at the end, so perhaps it is on the agenda.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

If Kolarov continues his form, how many of the forum will be completely wrong about him?

Me for starters.

Great to have an opinion, but how many times do we get these things wrong?

Last two seasons kolarov was shit. He's had a good season so far but that doesn't mean our opinions were wrong.

But if anyone thinks Fernandinho is shit, they should take up watching a different sport.

The question is whether he is the best player we could have signed, to be doing the job he has been given. And my answer to that is a resounding NO.

But to come into the Premier League against experienced pros & do what he has done, is remarkable imo.

I just hope that he is eventually allowed the freedom to play his natural game & not permanently turned into a Barry/DeJong kind of player. He is a world class centre mid who has twice the ability of those two put together.

Barry and De Jong never played the same role for us and Fernandinho certainly isn't playing the De Jong role now.

Pellegrini is attempting to play what I believe they call in modern parlance 'the double pivot'. The problem is Yaya's token defending which often leaves Fernandinho cleaning up, much the same way Barry did. Given time and perhaps Pogba ( or Rodwell if he ever gets fit ) this system will settle down and we'll see the best of Fernandinho in an attacking sense.

I agree with your assessment, but Yaya is too good to drop, & that is Fernandinho's problem.

We either drop a striker or attacking mid, or Fernandinho is stuck in a role as Gareth Barry.

Must add: watched a recording of the West Ham game with cans on & from time to time someone is yelling at Yaya to get involved defensively & tbf he makes some good interceptions, including a big effort right at the end, so perhaps it is on the agenda.

I heard that yelling too, seemed a bit odd that the man with the captain's armband was getting instructions about when to go and when to stay, it was effective though.

I agree that Yaya is too good to drop but if he's pushed further forward does he not encroach on Silva's space? Another thing with pushing him forward is that he is the best we have for receiving the ball from defence when we are building an attack. It's a right head fuck.

[Wonderwall]

City v Bayern is on Sky3D now if you want to feel depressed

[Ted Hughes]

I heard that yelling too, seemed a bit odd that the man with the captain's armband was getting instructions about when to go and when to stay, it was effective though.

I agree that Yaya is too good to drop but if he's pushed further forward does he not encroach on Silva's space? Another thing with pushing him forward is that he is the best we have for receiving the ball from defence when we are building an attack. It's a right head fuck.

Personally I don't think anyone should need their own 'space' as such if we get our game together, they should all just interchange & they should all then put the work in defensively in the oppo half to win back the ball too. Yaya is also a potential goalscorer of course.

I would imagine also, that although Yaya is excellent at running from deep, he would be even more of a nightmare for a defender if you were the last man trying to stop him running into the box 1v1. Fernandinho is also great at running from deep, so, as he gets more & more used to the league, so I hope to see more of it & perhaps releasing Yaya & as you say, a Rodwell or Pogba doing the same in turn.

[london blue 2]

I havent seen any of this awesome attacking ability Fernandinho is meant to possess yet. I've seen him in attcking possitions and he seems to regularly look like a rabbit in headlights. Hopefully when he settles down we'll start seeing this ability you speak of Ted.

[Ted Hughes]

I havent seen any of this awesome attacking ability Fernandinho is meant to possess yet. I've seen him in attcking possitions and he seems to regularly look like a rabbit in headlights. Hopefully when he settles down we'll start seeing this ability you speak of Ted.

I didn't say he has 'awesome' attacking ability, I said he's a world class centre mid. He's great at a bit of everything forward & back but also especially running with the ball (he was statistically one of the best in the Champions Lg group stages last season) & he can produce killer passes at times too.

He showed both v West Ham with a wonderfully simple pass for the goal & then skinning two defenders in their box to almost set up Aguero for a hat trick.

This, in spite of the fact that for much of the game he was chasing down West Ham players & defending in our half/box is evidence enough of what he could do, if allowed to settle into his natural game, I would have thought ?

Also, note how he sometimes wins headers in midfield from a standing jump v players a foot taller.

Just very very good at all kinds of shit. Cracking player, but not a natural defensive mid.

[Alioune DVToure]

I'd like to see him cope on a cold. dark night in Eastern Europe.

Oh, wait...

[london blue 2]

Thought he was quality tonight!

[Ted Hughes]

His legs went at one point but he found a 2nd wind.

I recon he's not far off needing a rest though.

[Nick]

quality at the weekend (i thought better than yaya who was actually getting stuck in) and played well tonight.

rated him throughout the season other than one or two games TBH