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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Bluedj » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:12 pm

It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:14 pm

Could really stick anyone in goal against Norwich, I don't think it'll matter.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Wonderwall » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:15 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:Could really stick anyone in goal against Norwich, I don't think it'll matter.


Hmmmmm last season
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:16 pm

Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile

Milner's an outstanding central-midfielder. He just doesn't get a run at it.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:20 pm

Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile


MOTM by a country mile was Lescott, both defensively & on the ball. Milner was dogshit 1st half & his hoof over the bar, with the keeper stranded should lead to a fine. Excellent when he moved centrally.

Re the thread: If Panti & JL turn in performances like that, then they don't get given a chance, when the blokes currently in situ are dropping clangers every week; what is the point in any player bothering in this competition at all ?

They were asked to produce & they did so, miles better than the current favourites.

There MUST be rewards for this or we'll just have a repeat of the Mancini situation where players don't respect the manager.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:26 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile


MOTM by a country mile was Lescott, both defensively & on the ball. Milner was dogshit 1st half & his hoof over the bar, with the keeper stranded should lead to a fine. Excellent when he moved centrally.

Re the thread: If Panti & JL turn in performances like that, then they don't get given a chance, when the blokes currently in situ are dropping clangers every week; what is the point in any player bothering in this competition at all ?

They were asked to produce & they did so, miles better than the current favourites.

There MUST be rewards for this or we'll just have a repeat of the Mancini situation where players don't respect the manager.



I don't think I would go as far as to say Lescott was that good on the ball. But much better overall than the player who has been in his place of late. From a man management point of view Pellegrini has a job on if he leaves Joe and Nasti out but he should and they should accept it.

He would have a much much bigger man management job on his hands if he doesn't play Costel and Lescott.Not just those 2 but wouldn't others in the team be wondering?
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:30 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:Could really stick anyone in goal against Norwich, I don't think it'll matter.


Hmmmmm last season

Pretty felicitous. Like when people banging on about Sven being to blame for the 8-1.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:37 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile


MOTM by a country mile was Lescott, both defensively & on the ball. Milner was dogshit 1st half & his hoof over the bar, with the keeper stranded should lead to a fine. Excellent when he moved centrally.

Re the thread: If Panti & JL turn in performances like that, then they don't get given a chance, when the blokes currently in situ are dropping clangers every week; what is the point in any player bothering in this competition at all ?

They were asked to produce & they did so, miles better than the current favourites.

There MUST be rewards for this or we'll just have a repeat of the Mancini situation where players don't respect the manager.



I don't think I would go as far as to say Lescott was that good on the ball. But much better overall than the player who has been in his place of late. From a man management point of view Pellegrini has a job on if he leaves Joe and Nasti out but he should and they should accept it.

He would have a much much bigger man management job on his hands if he doesn't play Costel and Lescott.Not just those 2 but wouldn't others in the team be wondering?


That's what I mean; no players would believe him.

Check a recording of the game & how many passes Lescott got off, with no midfield to pass to & hardly any movement ahead, whilst being closed down by Newcastle players. If he was Spanish, people would be sucking his dick now.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Bluedj » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:41 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile


MOTM by a country mile was Lescott, both defensively & on the ball. Milner was dogshit 1st half & his hoof over the bar, with the keeper stranded should lead to a fine. Excellent when he moved centrally.



Re the thread: If Panti & JL turn in performances like that, then they don't get given a chance, when the blokes currently in situ are dropping clangers every week; what is the point in any player bothering in this competition at all ?

They were asked to produce & they did so, miles better than the current favourites.

There MUST be rewards for this or we'll just have a repeat of the Mancini situation where players don't respect the manager.



I don't think I would go as far as to say Lescott was that good on the ball. But much better overall than the player who has been in his place of late. From a man management point of view Pellegrini has a job on if he leaves Joe and Nasti out but he should and they should accept it.

He would have a much much bigger man management job on his hands if he doesn't play Costel and Lescott.Not just those 2 but wouldn't others in the team be wondering?


Doug

I think the point is, if he doesn't make the "Right" changes in the next match, I can see the fans soon starting to turn on him, OK, if the results go our way.....but with the defensive blunders of late and poor defensive midfield show, that could turn on a sixpence.......So lets just hope he does the right thing and plays the right players that should be the starting 11.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby crowdsway » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:44 pm

Its a tricky one this,how long do you keep him on the bench if panti does well. His pride will ask for a transfer with the world cup round the corner. stick or twist.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby phips » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:14 am

id like to see him in goal vs Norwich. give him a real test in the league, even though Norwich is in the relegation zone...theyre solid but not great. seems like the perfect chance to try him out and light a fire under Joe's ass
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Slim » Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:10 am

I think the problem with Joe is he has taken a battering in his confidence and he is trying too hard to make up for it. The Chelsea debacle was a perfect example of him making too much of an effort, trying to claim a ball he didn't have to. And IMO, Nastasic should be taking a little of the blame here, at the very least he was completely unaware of what was going on around him, at worst he ignored the call from the keeper as Ted said.

Doesn't help that the defence is in tatters and we have no settled back four and I wonder how many other keepers have been exposed to 1-on-1's as much as he has.

Drop him and shoot his confidence once more(one from which he may never recover btw, Craig Gordon anyone?) or stick with him and hope he gets his head right and we don't drop more points doing so? Tough call.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Cit.revenge » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:49 am

Wow sample is 32 for Panty on goal 0 for Hart. Peller's have nothing to think about. He can move Panty on goal and nobody accept few and course FA would take a grudge for that.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Breks » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:25 am

Pellers needs to be bold and not af a shithouse. Panti should start saturday. He made 2 great saves, he caught crosses and his distribution was good. If pellers doesn't drop hart now then he never will.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:38 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile


MOTM by a country mile was Lescott, both defensively & on the ball. Milner was dogshit 1st half & his hoof over the bar, with the keeper stranded should lead to a fine. Excellent when he moved centrally.

Re the thread: If Panti & JL turn in performances like that, then they don't get given a chance, when the blokes currently in situ are dropping clangers every week; what is the point in any player bothering in this competition at all ?

They were asked to produce & they did so, miles better than the current favourites.

There MUST be rewards for this or we'll just have a repeat of the Mancini situation where players don't respect the manager.



I don't think I would go as far as to say Lescott was that good on the ball. But much better overall than the player who has been in his place of late. From a man management point of view Pellegrini has a job on if he leaves Joe and Nasti out but he should and they should accept it.

He would have a much much bigger man management job on his hands if he doesn't play Costel and Lescott.Not just those 2 but wouldn't others in the team be wondering?


That's what I mean; no players would believe him.

Check a recording of the game & how many passes Lescott got off, with no midfield to pass to & hardly any movement ahead, whilst being closed down by Newcastle players. If he was Spanish, people would be sucking his dick now.


He did a decent job, against ab average forward line, he was close to a disaster after a minute or so with the ball refusing to stop rolling under both feet. He is a good defender if kept in his slot, reads danger, I think Boyata was also good on the night, tough 60 mins from Shola he needs games to see if he has it. I think Hart hart has to be dropped or you send a very bad message to him and in turn Panti.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Nige » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:28 am

Panti did OK but I'm worried dropping Joe will smash his confidence and we'll lose him for good. Any average keeper would have kept a clean sheet last night.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Dameerto » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:31 am

Breks wrote:Pellers needs to be bold and not af a shithouse. Panti should start saturday. He made 2 great saves, he caught crosses and his distribution was good. If pellers doesn't drop hart now then he never will.


And that subconsciously is what Hart will be thinking. It will be a negative reinforcement of his right to make mistakes. Surely he knows he is unacceptably inconsistent.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby john@staustell » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:32 pm

Nige wrote:Panti did OK but I'm worried dropping Joe will smash his confidence and we'll lose him for good. Any average keeper would have kept a clean sheet last night.


You can only take that argument so far as Hart continues to cost us points and cups - FA cup final?

This is not a charity for goalkeepers' social work it is a top football club, and he has to go now.

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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Twobob » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:46 pm

Didnt have too much to do last night but what he did do he did very well, very composed and confident behined a makeshift back 4, which is all the more impressive.

Going off last nights performance I'd like to see him in a premier league game, going off past performances its a no brainer - he deserves his chance. Sorry Joe.
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Re: Panti Or Hart

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:14 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Bluedj wrote:It's an absolutely NO brainer...........

More to the point, who shoulder play in defensive/ Right side midfield after a class performance by James Milner...... Hope the Count pays attention........also thought JL did well with a negative defence........Dedrick, sorry mate ur just not good enough........Micah, why were you more Advanced than Navas for most of the match?

Any MP take note of good indvidual perferomance in a relatively lack lust performance


PS Silva CLASS!! yet again when he came on :-)

MOM: MILNER by a mile


MOTM by a country mile was Lescott, both defensively & on the ball. Milner was dogshit 1st half & his hoof over the bar, with the keeper stranded should lead to a fine. Excellent when he moved centrally.

Re the thread: If Panti & JL turn in performances like that, then they don't get given a chance, when the blokes currently in situ are dropping clangers every week; what is the point in any player bothering in this competition at all ?

They were asked to produce & they did so, miles better than the current favourites.

There MUST be rewards for this or we'll just have a repeat of the Mancini situation where players don't respect the manager.



I don't think I would go as far as to say Lescott was that good on the ball. But much better overall than the player who has been in his place of late. From a man management point of view Pellegrini has a job on if he leaves Joe and Nasti out but he should and they should accept it.

He would have a much much bigger man management job on his hands if he doesn't play Costel and Lescott.Not just those 2 but wouldn't others in the team be wondering?


That's what I mean; no players would believe him.

Check a recording of the game & how many passes Lescott got off, with no midfield to pass to & hardly any movement ahead, whilst being closed down by Newcastle players. If he was Spanish, people would be sucking his dick now.


He did a decent job, against ab average forward line, he was close to a disaster after a minute or so with the ball refusing to stop rolling under both feet. He is a good defender if kept in his slot, reads danger, I think Boyata was also good on the night, tough 60 mins from Shola he needs games to see if he has it. I think Hart hart has to be dropped or you send a very bad message to him and in turn Panti.


If that's purely a 'decent' job, then fair enough, but therefore nobody competing for his place has ever played better than 'decent' in their City careers, either defensively or in possession of the ball with little or no help. Not even close.

Apart from one great performance from Vinny I thought last night's showing from Lescott was the best cb display of the season both defensively & creatively. By a huge distance imo actually & in fact better than 95% of the games Kompany plays. Compared to Nastasic, he was better in every aspect of football. Nastasic is not better at passing a football than Lescott was last night & is nowhere near that level defensively

I think Dedryk unfortunately has a weakness in the air which is not compensated for by anything he does on the ground & will handicap him forever as a cb. It is a common fault though imo. The same goes for Nastasic, Savic, Rekik. Not sure about Demichelis in that area either.

I wonder if Jason Denayer from the U18s (who looks a better prospect than all of them) will also be found out in that area. He looks like something very very special, but in the Prem at cb, you have to win most headers. He could learn to play anywhere else if that is the case though tbf inc Garcia's spot. Class act.
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