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Re: corners

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:59 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:In the league winning season, goals from corners against the rags and liverpool from silva were vital.

There was a useful one against QPR as well.


I think the problem is when he tries to be clever. Only one in about 40 finds its precise target, but when it does, it goes in.

The rags just did it to Arsenal. They are better at it & it has often been the biggest difference to getting a goal in front in a game & a key area which has won them the league on several occasions imo.


The rags' crosses and corner taking over the years has been a huge reason for their success. Earlier this season they seemed to be trying to play more through the middle and it is a another factor in why they struggled.

Was thinking just the same. How many times over the years have they won games against better footballing sides like they did on Sunday from a goal off a corner ? Rags barely created another chance the whole game.
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Re: corners

Postby Original Dub » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:11 pm

Yeah, they obviously concentrate on crosses a lot more than we do.
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Re: corners

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:06 pm

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Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: Nasri has got to be the worst ever though. I can't recall him ever getting one past the first man.


Are you kidding me? Nasri has been on a completely different (higher) level than Silva when it comes to corners this season
It had deffo been Silva who has kept hitting the first man this season


How about we just let one of the guys who can REGULARILY hit the six yard box take some INSWINGING corners?
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Re: corners

Postby MilnersJaw » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:10 pm

We need Thomas muller
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Re: corners

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:18 pm

MilnersJaw wrote:We need Thomas muller


Milner should not be allowed anywhere near the corner flag...fucking useless.
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Re: corners

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:22 pm

Original Dub wrote:Yeah, they obviously concentrate on crosses a lot more than we do.


Imo, we are trying to do both now but I recon the shit hitting the fan re Hart plus the defence has put it on the back burner a little bit.

We have clearly been practicing set pieces though, you can see that not just from Toure's efforts but also Silva who has come very close to scoring & also that Bell, Lee type 3 pass effort we tried a few weeks back which was obviously a trainig ground move.

Crosses are a huge improvement, I recon we have scored/created more from crosses already this season than the last two, possibly 3 seasons. I wonder how many headers we scored from free play last season ? I bet we are on par with or ahead of the rest of the Prem with that this season.

Sunderland blocked pretty much everything on Sunday, & the ones they missed, (like the fantastic ball through the six yard box by Navas, & the free header by Dzeko), we missed.

We should have been coming home with a point though.
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Re: corners

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:23 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Yeah, they obviously concentrate on crosses a lot more than we do.


Imo, we are trying to do both now but I recon the shit hitting the fan re Hart plus the defence has put it on the back burner a little bit.

We have clearly been practicing set pieces though, you can see that not just from Toure's efforts but also Silva who has come very close to scoring & also that Bell, Lee type 3 pass effort we tried a few weeks back which was obviously a trainig ground move.

Crosses are a huge improvement, I recon we have scored/created more from crosses already this season than the last two, possibly 3 seasons. I wonder how many headers we scored from free play last season ? I bet we are on par with or ahead of the rest of the Prem with that this season.

Sunderland blocked pretty much everything on Sunday, & the ones they missed, (like the fantastic ball through the six yard box by Navas, & the free header by Dzeko), we missed.

We should have been coming home with a point though.

I still think we don't really attack the ball enough from crosses. How many times has Kolarov put in a great ball right between the defence and keeper and not a single blue shirt has made an effort to get on the end of it? Same with the Navas ball you mentioned on Sunday. You can't ask the crosser to do anymore, someone needs to gamble.

That's the one thing Rags have over us in that department, they really attack the ball when it goes in there. Especially Shrek. Whereas ours are either not there or stood there like statues.

We are definitely making improvements in that respect but we still need much work on it.
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Re: corners

Postby Moonchesteri » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:29 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Yeah, they obviously concentrate on crosses a lot more than we do.


Imo, we are trying to do both now but I recon the shit hitting the fan re Hart plus the defence has put it on the back burner a little bit.

We have clearly been practicing set pieces though, you can see that not just from Toure's efforts but also Silva who has come very close to scoring & also that Bell, Lee type 3 pass effort we tried a few weeks back which was obviously a trainig ground move.

Crosses are a huge improvement, I recon we have scored/created more from crosses already this season than the last two, possibly 3 seasons. I wonder how many headers we scored from free play last season ? I bet we are on par with or ahead of the rest of the Prem with that this season.

Sunderland blocked pretty much everything on Sunday, & the ones they missed, (like the fantastic ball through the six yard box by Navas, & the free header by Dzeko), we missed.

We should have been coming home with a point though.

I still think we don't really attack the ball enough from crosses. How many times ha Kolarov put in a great ball right between the defence and keeper and not a single blue shirt has made an effort to get on the end of it? Same with the Navas ball you mentioned on Sunday. You can't ask the crosser to do anymore, someone needs to gamble.

That's the one thing Rags have over us in that department, they really attack the ball when it goes in there. Especially Shrek. Whereas ours are either not there or stood there like statues.

We are definitely making improvements in that respect but we still need much work on it.


Agreed, it pissed me off whole last season and it still does. I also think we've got better with it but are still shite. though with the Navas cross I'll let Negredo (?) off the hook this time as he was about to make a move but he bumped into the defender and the situation was gone.
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Re: corners

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:54 pm

Moonchesteri wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Yeah, they obviously concentrate on crosses a lot more than we do.


Imo, we are trying to do both now but I recon the shit hitting the fan re Hart plus the defence has put it on the back burner a little bit.

We have clearly been practicing set pieces though, you can see that not just from Toure's efforts but also Silva who has come very close to scoring & also that Bell, Lee type 3 pass effort we tried a few weeks back which was obviously a trainig ground move.

Crosses are a huge improvement, I recon we have scored/created more from crosses already this season than the last two, possibly 3 seasons. I wonder how many headers we scored from free play last season ? I bet we are on par with or ahead of the rest of the Prem with that this season.

Sunderland blocked pretty much everything on Sunday, & the ones they missed, (like the fantastic ball through the six yard box by Navas, & the free header by Dzeko), we missed.

We should have been coming home with a point though.

I still think we don't really attack the ball enough from crosses. How many times ha Kolarov put in a great ball right between the defence and keeper and not a single blue shirt has made an effort to get on the end of it? Same with the Navas ball you mentioned on Sunday. You can't ask the crosser to do anymore, someone needs to gamble.

That's the one thing Rags have over us in that department, they really attack the ball when it goes in there. Especially Shrek. Whereas ours are either not there or stood there like statues.

We are definitely making improvements in that respect but we still need much work on it.


Agreed, it pissed me off whole last season and it still does. I also think we've got better with it but are still shite. though with the Navas cross I'll let Negredo (?) off the hook this time as he was about to make a move but he bumped into the defender and the situation was gone.


Aguero had one landed on his bonce by Kolarov but didn't have the ability to hit the target with the header.

It's a catch 22. In the past, we never made the cross, so the strikers don't make the runs. The more crosses come in, the more the strikers will gamble by attacking areas hoping the ball comes in & of course, as a manager, if your team never cross the ball properly you can hardly criticise strikers for not making the runs, but if the ball comes in & nobody is there (near post is often deserted) then the manager can ask where the fuck the strikers were.

It has improved remarkably in a short time imo & I recon we will be pretty sharp at it by the end of the season.
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Re: corners

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:19 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:Silva is awful at corners with 9 out of 10 not getting past the first man at the front post. Shocking


Nasri has got to be the worst ever though. I can't recall him ever getting one past the first man.

How about Toure's goal against United?
Or were you too busy in your new job and you missed that game?
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Re: corners

Postby Original Dub » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:How about Toure's goal against United?
Or were you too busy in your new job and you missed that game?


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Re: corners

Postby freshie » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:20 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: Nasri has got to be the worst ever though. I can't recall him ever getting one past the first man.


What? Nasri's our best corner taker. What do you see when you watch us play?
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Re: corners

Postby City64 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:29 pm

Fuck the corners !!!

Pellegrini needs to get our defenders to fucking defend !!!!
Not really here

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Re: corners

Postby nottsblue » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:25 pm

14 chances on Sunday to get ball in box to have a go at goal. How many got past 1st man or didn't sail over rverybody? Don't remember many
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Re: corners

Postby dazby » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:33 pm

Didn't we score the most goals from corners last season?
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Re: corners

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:11 pm

dazby wrote:Didn't we score the most goals from corners last season?



Think we were 3rd.Them twats got 15,Chav's 11 and us 8.
This year we have 3 from 91.
1 about every 30 which is about on target,so I don't know what to think.
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Re: corners

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:42 am

Rag_hater wrote:
dazby wrote:Didn't we score the most goals from corners last season?



Think we were 3rd.Them twats got 15,Chav's 11 and us 8.
This year we have 3 from 91.
1 about every 30 which is about on target,so I don't know what to think.


Seven more goals from corners for the rags last season.

If only 3 of those were the opening goal in a game, that could be the difference between beating 3 teams like Sunderland or losing to them, as once you go 1-0 up, they have to come out & you can easily make it 2 or 3. At an extreme example, 7 more goals from corners could be worth 21 points. Then add a similar tally from free kicks etc.

The one headed goal from a corner, by Vinny v the rags, won us the title just as much as Aguero's v QPR.

If just a small percentage of corners are game changing goals, it's often the difference between wining & losing a title.

I recon we are holding our own overall on set pieces so far, but we can certainly improve & if we do, it may be the thing which wins it for us.
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Re: corners

Postby bayblue » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:46 pm

You're spot on about the difference being a fine one. Our problem is over the last three seasons we score goals from about 3 in every 100 corners whereas Utd score 6 from the same number. Haven't seen any stats for how many of our corners don't clear the first man but guess its 80% of Silva's and half of Nasri's and Milner's. It drives me mad that such talented footballers can't get the ball more precisely directed.
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Re: corners

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:49 pm

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Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: Nasri has got to be the worst ever though. I can't recall him ever getting one past the first man.


What? Nasri's our best corner taker. What do you see when you watch us play?


I STILL think Kolarov is bit shit overall but he is BY FAR our best corner taker. Nasri either hits the first mannor floats some rubbish ball for keeper to pick like a cherry.

Why not give Yaya a go by the way?
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Re: corners

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:51 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
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Wonderwall wrote:Silva is awful at corners with 9 out of 10 not getting past the first man at the front post. Shocking


Nasri has got to be the worst ever though. I can't recall him ever getting one past the first man.

How about Toure's goal against United?
Or were you too busy in your new job and you missed that game?


I bet you were too busy masturbating on your Rooney underwear.
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