Panti Or Hart

[DoomMerchant]

I guess the whole keeper thing will come down to a combination of Panti's luck over the next few weeks and Joe's mental strength. Luck, because if Panti's unlucky he will be at fault for one and that'll make it easier for Pelligrini to drop him. Mental strength because there's a really sad precedent of good, if not even some great, keepers really going to pieces and never recovering. I guess we will have to wait to see if Hart really has the strength of character to get back to a performer who, at his previous best, would be a keeper virtually all PL teams would want.
Couple of people have mentioned De Gea and it's only a year ago that he was being dropped by Utd. He's bounced back and so I hope will Joe.
When I first used to go to City everyone in the media (as such there was) and many fans used to slag off big Joe Corrigan, for being error prone. He fought back and worked really hard and became an immense keeper. Hart is still relatively young for a keeper and I hope he can take inspiration from his namesake's experience to get back to be a deserving City and England number one.

i'd love for Joe to be the keeper we know he can be. I think he's honestly also been a little bit fucked over because of this defensive shuffling/injuries sitch as well. Even a top keeper can look average at times with a backline he doesn't trust. I think what Joe's actually been guilty of with his gaffes is trying "too hard" to make up for it, the Nasti incident as a prime example. Lack of trust is the enemy of every goalie out there. It's a big mental game and whether it's hockey, or football it's the one thing that can make a goalie who's fantastic have some really average nights out and i think that's where Joe is....no trust in his defense, and losing faith in himself to react properly...overthinking shit can kill you at that position more than any other.

Note this as a the 'duh' post of the day please folks.

cheers

[MilnersJaw]

Well that's my point. It's a dive. When you see the whole thing, it's nowhere near enough to knock him over, he just dives & hopes the ref sees the contact. It's just not on at all. It's becoming commonplace in football for people in defensive situations to take a dive like a striker, rather than defend the situation, & hope the ref bails them out. Kolarov is a major culprit for us & it seems to be Chelsea's main method of defending.

The secondary outrage of Demechelis running TOWARD Milner in the same instant is also completely, ridiculously shite. What the fuck was he going to do when he got there other than cause a disaster ?

It's diabolical from the pair of them imo, & worse than the Hart/Nastasic debacle.

Why you blame milner when michas was out of position

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Well that's my point. It's a dive. When you see the whole thing, it's nowhere near enough to knock him over, he just dives & hopes the ref sees the contact. It's just not on at all. It's becoming commonplace in football for people in defensive situations to take a dive like a striker, rather than defend the situation, & hope the ref bails them out. Kolarov is a major culprit for us & it seems to be Chelsea's main method of defending.

The secondary outrage of Demechelis running TOWARD Milner in the same instant is also completely, ridiculously shite. What the fuck was he going to do when he got there other than cause a disaster ?

It's diabolical from the pair of them imo, & worse than the Hart/Nastasic debacle.

Why you blame milner when michas was out of position

Milner tracked Bardsley's run down our right wing. Micah saw he had him covered( well thought he did ) so picked up Johnson. Why are some failing to grasp this and pointing the finger at Micah?

[MilnersJaw]

Milner tracked Bardsley's run down our right wing. Micah saw he had him covered( well thought he did ) so picked up Johnson. Why are some failing to grasp this and pointing the finger at Micah?

Im not but why should milner be the only one tracking back, im not blaming micha but its unfair to blame all on milner when our full back should be doing it to

[Herb]

Milner tracked Bardsley's run down our right wing. Micah saw he had him covered( well thought he did ) so picked up Johnson. Why are some failing to grasp this and pointing the finger at Micah?

Im not but why should milner be the only one tracking back, im not blaming micha but its unfair to blame all on milner when our full back should be doing it to

Unfair blaming Milner for Milner's failings?
That's an odd call MJ. Micah had a below average game, as did several other players, but the fact that can't be disputed is that that Milner getting run off the ball by the player he was covering under our man marking (rather than zonal marking) system was definitely a case of Milner failing to do his job on that occasion.
I like him and wish that I could do him the small service of blaming it on someone else but it's just so obvious that it's "hands up and he did it" time that I can't imagine how there could be any dispute on the topic so let's move on and leave the Panti or Hart thread to that topic.
We could always start a 'Milner is a man who can do no wrong' thread if there's demand for the debate.

[Hazy2]

IMO Hart will be back in for Spurs, as long as he does not throw one in for England.

[Breks]

IMO Hart will be back in for Spurs, as long as he does not throw one in for England.

And what justification would Pellers have for dropping Panti?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

IMO Hart will be back in for Spurs, as long as he does not throw one in for England.

And what justification would Pellers have for dropping Panti?

He really doesn't need to have any justification other than Hart is the best keeper we have and it's important to get him back sooner rather than later.Hopefully the fact that he was dropped will have had an effect on Joe and he will up his game back to the level we know he can achieve.

Very tough on Pants of course as he did nothing wrong.The ultimate decision is all about whether Joe is one of the very best keepers around.If he is we can ill afford to lose him as he won't be easy to replace despite all the crap we hear in the media.Keep him out of the team for too long and we run the risk of him leaving. Pants I would expect will leave for first team football somewhere and he deserves that but he is really a viable option for us a a first team regular long term?

[Wonderwall]

Hart should not be put back in so soon, I think a good month or so out of the firing line will give him a good enough time to get his head right. He needs the right people around him as well to make sure his rest is seen in a positive light and he comes back stronger. Panti will be gone in Jan if Hart gets his place back without any justification for dropping Panti

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Hart should not be put back in so soon, I think a good month or so out of the firing line will give him a good enough time to get his head right. He needs the right people around him as well to make sure his rest is seen in a positive light and he comes back stronger. Panti will be gone in Jan if Hart gets his place back without any justification for dropping Panti

Come the Spurs game it will be a month, almost.

I don't envy the predicament that Pellegrini finds himself in at the minute.

[Wonderwall]

Hart should not be put back in so soon, I think a good month or so out of the firing line will give him a good enough time to get his head right. He needs the right people around him as well to make sure his rest is seen in a positive light and he comes back stronger. Panti will be gone in Jan if Hart gets his place back without any justification for dropping Panti

Come the Spurs game it will be a month, almost.

I don't envy the predicament that Pellegrini finds himself in at the minute.

true but with an international fortnight in the middle, I wouldnt mind Panti being given a run of about 10 games. We have that many coming up that we may see the keeper role shared

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Hart should not be put back in so soon, I think a good month or so out of the firing line will give him a good enough time to get his head right. He needs the right people around him as well to make sure his rest is seen in a positive light and he comes back stronger. Panti will be gone in Jan if Hart gets his place back without any justification for dropping Panti

Come the Spurs game it will be a month, almost.

I don't envy the predicament that Pellegrini finds himself in at the minute.

true but with an international fortnight in the middle, I wouldnt mind Panti being given a run of about 10 games. We have that many coming up that we may see the keeper role shared

Yep, it's hard to know what to do but rotating keepers seemed to work for the donut thief at the swamp so may be the way to go.

[Hazy2]

Joe, will have a month to convince the manager he is the man, that said if we lose to Spuds we mignht have the manager under presuure as well.

[Breks]

He really doesn't need to have any justification other than Hart is the best keeper we have and it's important to get him back sooner rather than later.Hopefully the fact that he was dropped will have had an effect on Joe and he will up his game back to the level we know he can achieve.

Very tough on Pants of course as he did nothing wrong.The ultimate decision is all about whether Joe is one of the very best keepers around.If he is we can ill afford to lose him as he won't be easy to replace despite all the crap we hear in the media.Keep him out of the team for too long and we run the risk of him leaving. Pants I would expect will leave for first team football somewhere and he deserves that but he is really a viable option for us a a first team regular long term?

Hart is the best keeper we have? Have you watched Joe play over last 18 months? He is shit!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

He really doesn't need to have any justification other than Hart is the best keeper we have and it's important to get him back sooner rather than later.Hopefully the fact that he was dropped will have had an effect on Joe and he will up his game back to the level we know he can achieve.

Very tough on Pants of course as he did nothing wrong.The ultimate decision is all about whether Joe is one of the very best keepers around.If he is we can ill afford to lose him as he won't be easy to replace despite all the crap we hear in the media.Keep him out of the team for too long and we run the risk of him leaving. Pants I would expect will leave for first team football somewhere and he deserves that but he is really a viable option for us a a first team regular long term?

Hart is the best keeper we have? Have you watched Joe play over last 18 months? He is shit!

13 months ago

http://youtu.be/NO6rPxdn2rM

[Douglas Higginbottom]

He really doesn't need to have any justification other than Hart is the best keeper we have and it's important to get him back sooner rather than later.Hopefully the fact that he was dropped will have had an effect on Joe and he will up his game back to the level we know he can achieve.

Very tough on Pants of course as he did nothing wrong.The ultimate decision is all about whether Joe is one of the very best keepers around.If he is we can ill afford to lose him as he won't be easy to replace despite all the crap we hear in the media.Keep him out of the team for too long and we run the risk of him leaving. Pants I would expect will leave for first team football somewhere and he deserves that but he is really a viable option for us a a first team regular long term?

Hart is the best keeper we have? Have you watched Joe play over last 18 months? He is shit!

13 months ago

http://youtu.be/NO6rPxdn2rM

He has had some shit games and not a good 12 months but I do believe he is still the best keeper at City and still the best English keeper around.Would you really rather lose Joe and bring in some so called great experienced keeper like Cesar?Or do you think Panti is our long term answer.?

[Breks]

He has had some shit games and not a good 12 months but I do believe he is still the best keeper at City and still the best English keeper around.Would you really rather lose Joe and bring in some so called great experienced keeper like Cesar?Or do you think Panti is our long term answer.?

Well imo Joe is not our long term answer.

[Hazy2]

He has had some shit games and not a good 12 months but I do believe he is still the best keeper at City and still the best English keeper around.Would you really rather lose Joe and bring in some so called great experienced keeper like Cesar?Or do you think Panti is our long term answer.?

Well imo Joe is not our long term answer.

That is harsh, he is not my fav player and I blame him for the Cup Final FIASCO ! TBH, he does deserve support and does warrant sticking with, the team and both recent managers have made errors as he has. Long term what is long term. Does that ever apply to Footbal now. How many keepers are the press going to ruin BTW.

[Alioune DVToure]

I wonder what agreement we have with Panti behind the scenes. He's clearly better than a bog-standard PL No.13 (e.g. Hilario, Harper) and also seems to be very serious about being No.1 for his country. I can't imagine he's on more than about £20k per week, a wage he could pick up at a bottom-half club whilst also playing every week.

Stretford have a similar thing going on with Lindegaard, who's also very capable and in his prime. I wonder what keeps these guys motivated.

We all know that one clanger from Panti and Joe's back between the sticks.

[Wonderwall]

Phillipe Courtois may be the answer, getting rave reviews for Athletico and is keeping Mignolet out of the Belgium team.

I am very surprised he is still on loan, I wouldnt be surprised to see him as Chelseas number 1 next season with a decent World Cup under his belt