Moyes-ometer

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Smith is a blue so he will tell the truth about them rag twats.

For the FIFA players on here has anyone noticed every year he supports a different team? FIFA 13 it was "as a young boy I grew up a city supporter and Colin bell was my favourite player"

FIFA 14 it's "I was an Aston villa supporter growing up"

[AG7]

RVP already seems to have gone on strike, to be fair.

Yeah, I ain't buying that injury spiel they keep sprouting and every time with a different injury too ...

[Bianchi on Ice]

Moyes won't complete his job until he's pissed Shrek and RVP so much that they leave with the Glazers pocketing the cash - I just hope the rest of the league scent blood in the water and dive in for the kill

Dunnylad I dont see huge cash being pocketed here.. not exactly shiny new motors in the forecourt...

[Slim]

Moyes won't complete his job until he's pissed Shrek and RVP so much that they leave with the Glazers pocketing the cash - I just hope the rest of the league scent blood in the water and dive in for the kill

Dunnylad I dont see huge cash being pocketed here.. not exactly shiny new motors in the forecourt...

And yet according to Forbes, they have taken £500M out of the club as of the end of the 2012 season. Long may that continue.

Where is the Glaze-o-meter?

[Bianchi on Ice]

Moyes won't complete his job until he's pissed Shrek and RVP so much that they leave with the Glazers pocketing the cash - I just hope the rest of the league scent blood in the water and dive in for the kill

Dunnylad I dont see huge cash being pocketed here.. not exactly shiny new motors in the forecourt...

And yet according to Forbes, they have taken £500M out of the club as of the end of the 2012 season. Long may that continue.

Where is the Glaze-o-meter?

I meant in terms of wooney and persie sell on value...the two most important players are IMO worth 25m together....purely because of age,salary and dwindling pool of potential buyers at premium price. The longer they stay there the less theyll get. If it were PSG offering 5-10 mill more than chelsea were in the summer wooney would have gone...

[Slim]

Moyes won't complete his job until he's pissed Shrek and RVP so much that they leave with the Glazers pocketing the cash - I just hope the rest of the league scent blood in the water and dive in for the kill

Dunnylad I dont see huge cash being pocketed here.. not exactly shiny new motors in the forecourt...

And yet according to Forbes, they have taken £500M out of the club as of the end of the 2012 season. Long may that continue.

Where is the Glaze-o-meter?

I meant in terms of wooney and persie sell on value...the two most important players are IMO worth 25m together....purely because of age,salary and dwindling pool of potential buyers at premium price. The longer they stay there the less theyll get. If it were PSG offering 5-10 mill more than chelsea were in the summer wooney would have gone...

I think Shrek would still fetch a price, Princess won't sell for more than a couple of million in a year or two when they sell him to a second division dutch side.

[CitizenYank]

Ninth place. Even with all their injuries. I'd say he's doing just fine.

[Bianchi on Ice]

Ninth place. Even with all their injuries. I'd say he's doing just fine.

Went up to a chelsea fan at work this morning...just said "ninth" he laughed
Same thing to an arsenal fan...a spurs fan....norwich fan(and they need some levity)
You name it...they all laugh
..because everyone hates the scum

[john@staustell]

Crisis update:

"I stated at the start of the season Glazers would take never winning another trophy if it ment revenue increased by 5-10% per year and got a load of thumbs down saying we need to win for profits to increase. Now what did Ed come out and say in the last 24 hours? Time to get worried..............Direct quotes from Ed Woodward If you fight hard and just fail, people will still watch you on television, still turn up and buy shirts. There's still a lot of affinity with the club and interest. The reality is that you can't always win. Take Liverpool. They still sell an incredible number of shirts and have the second biggest shirt deal in the Premier League. They have one of the biggest technical partner deals - and they haven't won the league since 1990. And you can put the last bit underlined and in capitals. If we have a bad year we have the financial strength to change the team. We have so much deeper financial strength that instead of selling three players and buying three, we can do five. Make of it what you want to. Leeches the lot of them"

[Im_Spartacus]

Crisis update:

"I stated at the start of the season Glazers would take never winning another trophy if it ment revenue increased by 5-10% per year and got a load of thumbs down saying we need to win for profits to increase. Now what did Ed come out and say in the last 24 hours? Time to get worried..............Direct quotes from Ed Woodward If you fight hard and just fail, people will still watch you on television, still turn up and buy shirts. There's still a lot of affinity with the club and interest. The reality is that you can't always win. Take Liverpool. They still sell an incredible number of shirts and have the second biggest shirt deal in the Premier League. They have one of the biggest technical partner deals - and they haven't won the league since 1990. And you can put the last bit underlined and in capitals. If we have a bad year we have the financial strength to change the team. We have so much deeper financial strength that instead of selling three players and buying three, we can do five. Make of it what you want to. Leeches the lot of them"

That's the crux of the matter to me.......they are looking for every possible way to reduce what they have to spend on the club, and the only barrier to that was ferguson. I'm almost certain that Ferguson leaving was largely down to an understanding that the squad was dropping to a level which couldn't compete at the top any more, and that he wasn't prepared to accept £20m/30m per season to maintain that status so walked.

If you ignore the fact that we hate the cunts, it's obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse what the glazers have been upto since day 1, and they got away with it because of Ferguson's ability. Even the £60/70m spree on younger players was a tactical ploy to save money in the long run, and now that they have Smalling, jones de yea etc, I reckon they fully intend to stick with them until either they come good, or they will fail trying.

If you weigh up the benefits of winning the league financially, it makes complete sense that they wouldn't want to spend their sky budget trying to compete, just for the sake of an extra £10m (if that) in prize money. Same really goes for the champs league. If they bring in another £30m per year, why bother to spend £30m extra on players if they can just hover around the top 6, qualify some years, Europa other years, if they don't see a return on investment in the playing squad.

Put yourself in the glazers shoes and adopt a business mentality, and why on earth would you spend money if there was no sound business case for doing so - as Liverpool proved so well, they have kept the majority of their fans, and gained new ones just by being involved every now and again since their heyday, but have blown hundreds of millions on shit player acquisition strategies..........if that's not a case for financial prudence, and not being all that arsed about competing, I don't know what is.

[Tesl]

Its a good point, and its exciting times when the entire goal of our club and our management is to win as much as possible, whereas those in control at United would be more than happy to "do an Arsenal" and invest just enough to keep them 3rd or 4th every year with no requirement to push higher than that.

United will always be able to afford to be up there and pay for CL qualification, but would they invest another 50million to move from 3rd to 1st? Perhaps they wouldn't, but we know our Sheikh would if thats what it takes.

If we can fight for the league every year whilst they finish 4th every year I'd be very happy indeed. Maybe Moyes can bring that to them for us.

Or maybe I'm getting wayyyyyyyyyyy too excited and ahead of myself now.

Not impossible Newcastle could swing a result tomorrow, and that could start to put Moyes under massive pressure. Lovely.

All those saying "We stuck with our manager for decades because we are the best fans in the world" will be foaming at the mouth to get rid of Moyes if they lose tomorrow. The cunts.

[Im_Spartacus]

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All those saying "We stuck with our manager for decades because we are the best fans in the world" will be foaming at the mouth to get rid of Moyes if they lose tomorrow. The cunts.

The ones I know already are, it will reach fever pitch at weekend though if they don't get a victory.

It's funny looking from outside though, all us blues, to a man, laughing at Moyes as their manager, but if he was doing this to our club, you would still have the usual suspects advocating stability and giving him time.

[Tesl]

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All those saying "We stuck with our manager for decades because we are the best fans in the world" will be foaming at the mouth to get rid of Moyes if they lose tomorrow. The cunts.

The ones I know already are, it will reach fever pitch at weekend though if they don't get a victory.

It's funny looking from outside though, all us blues, to a man, laughing at Moyes as their manager, but if he was doing this to our club, you would still have the usual suspects advocating stability and giving him time.

True, but its a weird one. If I was a Utd fan I probably wouldn't have wanted Moyes in the first place, so wouldn't mind him being binned quickly either. But most of their fans at least claimed to be perfectly happy with the appointment, in which case I actually think it is quite reasonable to give him much more time than hes had so far.

I do still think they will finish in the top 4, and that's just fine by me as long as they don't win anything. Obviously I'd prefer no europe / relegation / insolvency for them, but moving from challengers to non-challengers is good progress for now.

[Ted Hughes]

Just putting the jokes to one side, ideally we want them to to keep Moyes & limp along & it's getting very dodgy.

They can't afford five years of 'consolidation' when we are expanding the stadium & expanding the size of the club internationally. It would soon be reflected in the financial reports & we would quickly take their place.

The media had claimed that Utd will stick with Moyes & 'give him time' but I doubt the media ever imagined anything other than relative success, with the perceived 'quality' of people like Cleverly/Jones/Smalling/Wellbeck/Young etc, they would imagine 'Wee Darling Davy' would have a smooth transition. Indeed plenty of people on here were telling me how Utd had a better squad than us last season. What a load of bollocks. They had a better manager.

I recon the Glazers will find money if they feel they have to. A new, top quality, manager plus two or three high level players & the rags will beat most teams here. They could put Baconface back in & give him money. He would pretend it is his 'duty' to help.

If Moyes has little spells where he wins a game or two however, it makes him very difficult to sack & Ferguson would refuse to oust him. It is better they win one or two rather than just getting beat, at home, regularly; which is a possibility.

His position is potentially becoming untenable.

[john@staustell]

Not sure how much truth there is in the rumour but it's going around that RVP will be out for months. Would certainly explain Moyes' attitude when questioned about him this week.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Just putting the jokes to one side, ideally we want them to to keep Moyes & limp along & it's getting very dodgy.

They can't afford five years of 'consolidation' when we are expanding the stadium & expanding the size of the club internationally. It would soon be reflected in the financial reports & we would quickly take their place.

The media had claimed that Utd will stick with Moyes & 'give him time' but I doubt the media ever imagined anything other than relative success, with the perceived 'quality' of people like Cleverly/Jones/Smalling/Wellbeck/Young etc, they would imagine 'Wee Darling Davy' would have a smooth transition. Indeed plenty of people on here were telling me how Utd had a better squad than us last season. What a load of bollocks. They had a better manager.

I recon the Glazers will find money if they feel they have to. A new, top quality, manager plus two or three high level players & the rags will beat most teams here. They could put Baconface back in & give him money. He would pretend it is his 'duty' to help.

If Moyes has little spells where he wins a game or two however, it makes him very difficult to sack & Ferguson would refuse to oust him. It is better they win one or two rather than just getting beat, at home, regularly; which is a possibility.

His position is potentially becoming untenable.

The next 5 games will be massive for Utd.They should win them all and it would put them right back in the mix.If, and it's a big if,they can then buy a couple of top players especially for midfield, we can expect them to make the top 4 if only at 4th.

But that in itself will be a weak effort.I do expect Utd to stick with Moyes whatever happens and I also expect the vast majority of the media to do the same for this season at least.

[Tokyo Blue]

Who would they replace him with?

[AG7]

Who would they replace him with?

I still think he was put in to fail by Fergie ... he left the squad in that shape, pinched Rooney for no reason and left Moyes to deal with it, hasn't gone away anywhere and shows up every other game, even away ... I think his plan is and always was to come back as their saviour around end of this year, or early new year, dip into the transfer market, get some decent signings in and save their season by reigniting the squad and be hailed even more than he already has been by the media and all those scum fans ... might not happen, but that's been my feeling since the day he announced retirement and they announced Moyes coming in ... we shall see!

[Twobob]

Who would they replace him with?

O'Leary is still available isn't he? Chumps League experience.

[Hazy2]

Who would they replace him with?

MANCINI, is an option.