Entertainment vs Results

[Beefymcfc]

Just a point of note. How many people found the Cardiff, Villa, Chelsea, Sunderland and Bayern games entertaining. All's I remember about those games now is that we lost, some by pathetic defending. I don't seem to remember the entertaining football.

[Ted Hughes]

Just a point of note. How many people found the Cardiff, Villa, Chelsea, Sunderland and Bayern games entertaining. All's I remember about those games now is that we lost, some by pathetic defending. I don't seem to remember the entertaining football.

I do; v Villa I thought we were outstanding & Bayern produced probably the best display of teamwork I have ever seen in the flesh, with a fairly iffy defence behind it which we opened up with some fantastic football of our own. Very very entertaining.

[Beefymcfc]

Just a point of note. How many people found the Cardiff, Villa, Chelsea, Sunderland and Bayern games entertaining. All's I remember about those games now is that we lost, some by pathetic defending. I don't seem to remember the entertaining football.

I do; v Villa I thought we were outstanding & Bayern produced probably the best display of teamwork I have ever seen in the flesh, with a fairly iffy defence behind it which we opened up with some fantastic football of our own. Very very entertaining.

Ha ha ha.

[mcfc1632]

I have gone for entertainment..........

To get to that decision might seem difficult as of course we want results and I am at a time of life where the Cup finals and days like against QPR are just soooo important to me.

But it was easy - all I had to do was go back to why I was so totally against Maureen coming to CITY. Would I swap a Pellers approach for the stifling boredom that he produces - never. He has been successful - probably always will be - but I have (and always will) spent a big time of my life on CITY and do not want that sort of shit to watch.

It was bad when we had Clark or Pearce (as just 2 examples) playing such terrible football - but I can put that down to the 'circumstances'. Having access to the worlds best players etc - well it would be just unforgivable to be so fucking turgid.

[nottsblue]

Sutton was on fire that season as well + David Batty, Colin Hendry, Le Saux and Tim Flowers were all quality.

Lot of people are saying they would never want Mourinho because of the brand of football he'd bring.

George Graham era Arsenal was fucking boring to watch. Hard to believe now. Last two rag teams to win it hasn't been exactly illustrious.

Agreed bout Blackburn alluding to it in post. Jose isnt everyone cup of tea but his sides aren't boring or long ball merchants. Methodical and defensively sound but with flair players as well.
Concede Arse under Graham wasn't thrill a minute. Again, under him a 1-0 was sufficient and did job. Still had to score and without knowing stats suspect they outscored most.
Much as the rags last few titles have been as much as other teams not taking chances and them winning almost by default they have continued to play in same way as always. Fast counter attacks with pace up front. Your'e not seriously suggesting a side with RVP & Shrek & Tranny & Tevez before that were boring to watch?

[Ted Hughes]

It isn't necessary.

Why the fuck should we have a team playing dull football ?

Why should we need to ?

Real Madrid wouldn't accept it, Barca don't, even the rags don't.

Sure, if you are struggling to compete & have to get back as a club then you can accept it for a time, but as a long term thing, when your club is loaded, why ?

The top teams in world football now have proved you don't have to play dull football in order to be successful.

We have resources to compete with any, so why shouldn't our club ethos be that we are going to do it in style ?

I don't mind giving people time to get it right, I accept it's not easy, but the bloke in charge at our club should have us winning trophies regularly, with as good a standard of entertainment as any other club anywhere.

Real & Barca have done it under numerous managers. So should we.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Sutton was on fire that season as well + David Batty, Colin Hendry, Le Saux and Tim Flowers were all quality.

Lot of people are saying they would never want Mourinho because of the brand of football he'd bring.

George Graham era Arsenal was fucking boring to watch. Hard to believe now. Last two rag teams to win it hasn't been exactly illustrious.

Agreed bout Blackburn alluding to it in post. Jose isnt everyone cup of tea but his sides aren't boring or long ball merchants. Methodical and defensively sound but with flair players as well.
Concede Arse under Graham wasn't thrill a minute. Again, under him a 1-0 was sufficient and did job. Still had to score and without knowing stats suspect they outscored most.
Much as the rags last few titles have been as much as other teams not taking chances and them winning almost by default they have continued to play in same way as always. Fast counter attacks with pace up front. Your'e not seriously suggesting a side with RVP & Shrek & Tranny & Tevez before that were boring to watch?

Of which only Rooney was member of both and RvP latter of the their teams I was referring to.

And what you said 1-0 being sufficient is the other extreme here.

[Beefymcfc]

And, as proven by other teams, good football and winning things can be done and that's what we are aiming for.

I'd suggest that nobody wants to do an Arsenal by playing good football and only winning the 4th place play-off, would you?

[Wooders]

someone really needs to smack mancinis' dick out of your mouth mate

[Beefymcfc]

someone really needs to smack mancinis' dick out of your mouth mate

I take it that was aimed at the OP?

[Wooders]

someone really needs to smack mancinis' dick out of your mouth mate

I take it that was aimed at the OP?

Yep - he's turning into a bit of a caricature of himself which is a shame as he's a top poster

[nottsblue]

Of which only Rooney was member of both and RvP latter of the their teams I was referring to.

And what you said 1-0 being sufficient is the other extreme here.

The fact that Shrek RVP Tranny Tevez have all appeared and were mainstays kind of disproves your argument utd played poor stuff

Arsenal, though having a rep of 1-0 under Graham, actually scored the most the two times he won league. Again, hardly the firm of a boring side

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

someone really needs to smack mancinis' dick out of your mouth mate

I take it that was aimed at the OP?

Yep - he's turning into a bit of a caricature of himself which is a shame as he's a top poster

This has absolutely nothing to do with Mancini for fucks sake. I was genuinely curious as to what people in general feel and was influenced by Blue2's post in another topic.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

If the choice was between brilliantly entertaining football that came second and absolutely dire football that came first, then I would go for the entertainment – if all I thought I was ever going to get was utter dullness then I have better things to do with £1000 plus and several weeks of my time each year.

However, absolutely dire football is not going to win the league (although it can win cups – Chelsea!), so the choice is more realistically between brilliantly entertaining football that came second and slightly less entertaining football that wins, in which case I would probably go for the win.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t know the result until the end of the season, so I would probably go for the brilliantly entertaining football anyway and hope it came good!

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Which one do you see more important? Seeing flair football with lots of goals or do you see it as results business first and foremost. Would you take 1-0 win playing Pearce stylee over 5-5 thriller? Or do you expect to be entertained for your hard earned? Would you rather see us win league by playing "efective" football or finish second but have team playing football for ages Brazil 1982 style. And I know they are not mutually exclusive but sometimes manager has to make these calls planning for a game. And this is NOT about any individual manager but more how you see watching the game and City.

Pearce style 5-5 thriller?

We're you smoking crack when Pearce was here?

[twosips]

The problem comes from believing they're mutually exclusive things. They're not. Entertaining teams can still grind out results too.

But put it this way - i don't think we'd be any higher in the league under Mancini this season and we would have scored a damn sight less so I can at least have more patience in a work in progress that is entertaining.

Brilliant post

Why do we seem to keep reverting matters to Mancini?

I'm going to say that we'd be top of the league and scored more goals under Mancini, can anybody state why we would be behind where we are now?

I'm not saying we'd be behind where we are now and i'm not slagging off Mancini - i just think based on the progression of form from last year we'd not have scored anywhere near as many as Pellegrini is a much more attack minded manager and i also think we would have struggled away just as much cos our form was equally as flakey last year and seemed to be getting worse with every month. I only compared to Mancini cos it was a relevant example to compare to. Just my opinion.

[twosips]

The problem comes from believing they're mutually exclusive things. They're not. Entertaining teams can still grind out results too.

But put it this way - i don't think we'd be any higher in the league under Mancini this season and we would have scored a damn sight less so I can at least have more patience in a work in progress that is entertaining.

Brilliant post

Horrible post. I said they aren't mutually exclusive AND said this isn't about individual managers.

Horrible poll. It's pointless if you say in the post that they aren't mutually exclusive but then put a poll that is totally black and white and doesn't allow for shades of grey. Either option is far too weighted.

[DoomMerchant]

Entertainment for me. I'd be happier finishing third playing the way we do this season than second playing like we did last.

That

[Crossie]

There is only winning.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

There is only winning.

If that was the case I would have quit in the Ball years.