Entertainment vs Results

[Bridge'srightfoot]

It was meant as a study to find out how people watch the game. For instance, watching City I'm usually shitting it and eating my fingernails. I rarely enjoy the gameplay as such but just hope and pray we will come through with three points.

How can you not enjoy the gameplay though? Considering where we were just 6 or 7 years ago, I enjoy seeing the likes of Aguero, Silva, Kompany , Toure etc every time they step on the pitch.
Surely you must have enjoyed the 4-1 demolition of the Rags, or the 7-0 of Norwich, 6-0 v Spurs etc etc? Even the 3-1 v Bayern was a good game to watch, to see the best side in the world put on a real masterclass.
If you get no enjoyment then what's the point?

I enjoy watching games afterwards but mostly during games it's mix of nerves and excitement.

Obviously 7-0 and 6-0 were little bit different ONCE we were five up.

That Bayern game is nice example. I fucking hated it. Sure they are great team and I can appreciate that they were playing great but fuck it, we lost and I was fucking gutted.

I never said I get no enjoyment. The rush you get from seeing City bag a late winner is ultimate high. Celebrating all the goals and that. What I meant was that I can't really sit back and think "wow, isn't this awesome football" if we are say drawing a game regardless of how well we play.


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I get what you're saying. But you can't relax until we're 5 up?! I mean at 4-0 v Norwich it was safe to say we'd be coming away with the points!

Don't get me wrong I'd always take a 1-0 win over a 5-5 draw in a one off game but if you offered me a boring 1-0 win at home to say Fulham before the game I wouldn't take it.

When we were shite and had pearce as manager I would happily have taken a win anyway it came because we didn't have the quality of players to play great football. But now we've spent hundreds of millions on some of the best players, coaches and facilities in the world, we have every right to expect them to play quality football.

What's the point in signing the likes of Silva and Aguero and Toure if we then start to play like Bolton under Sam Allardyce? No one can argue his tactics didn't work, he got them performing far higher then they should have but I'd honestly rather not watch us then see us churn out that type of shit long ball, set piece football week in week out.


Take Spurs for example. Before we played them they were AHEAD of us in the league yet AVB was already facing the proposition of being sacked. Why? Because the football they were playing was dire and boring to watch and they were relying on penalties and set pieces to score. When you spend that kind of money on players you have a right to expect them to play good football.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

I think our song puts results and performance in perspective nicely:

We never win at home and we never win away
We lost last week and we lost today

Come on, all together .....

[Original Dub]

I get what you're saying. But you can't relax until we're 5 up?! I mean at 4-0 v Norwich it was safe to say we'd be coming away with the points!

Don't get me wrong I'd always take a 1-0 win over a 5-5 draw in a one off game but if you offered me a boring 1-0 win at home to say Fulham before the game I wouldn't take it.

When we were shite and had pearce as manager I would happily have taken a win anyway it came because we didn't have the quality of players to play great football. But now we've spent hundreds of millions on some of the best players, coaches and facilities in the world, we have every right to expect them to play quality football.

What's the point in signing the likes of Silva and Aguero and Toure if we then start to play like Bolton under Sam Allardyce? No one can argue his tactics didn't work, he got them performing far higher then they should have but I'd honestly rather not watch us then see us churn out that type of shit long ball, set piece football week in week out.

Take Spurs for example. Before we played them they were AHEAD of us in the league yet AVB was already facing the proposition of being sacked. Why? Because the football they were playing was dire and boring to watch and they were relying on penalties and set pieces to score. When you spend that kind of money on players you have a right to expect them to play good football.

Excellent post

[Socrates]

I want both! If I have to choose I will take the results as we were starved of success for so long. If we aren't winning enough to bring home trophies then entertainment becomes even more important. What is essential is that we have at least one or the other!

[Beefymcfc]

1st last season and 27 mil, they've fell apart. 2nd last season and 100 mil and we're sat in 4th.

Not a bad investment really.

We knew they were shit but the ref's and our own helped them win it, now they need to get their fingers out and show what they are made of.

[Im_Spartacus]

It's an interesting point nqdp that you make about not really seeing the gameplay.

I on the other hand try to appreciate the game as it unfolds in front of me, and very very rarely watch a game back or even see the highlights to rearrange my recollections of what I've just watched. Once is enough, and once is realistically all I want, so my judgement is generally based on the entertainment served up there and then.

Perhaps a couple of real lowlights for me were the way I felt on some occasions in really different situations

2008/9 under Hughes, neither the performances nor the results were there by and large, hence my total blindness at the time to any redeeming qualities he may have had as a manager. I seem to have blacked out most of Hughes' reign other than the real nightmares like Liverpool.

2010 when I think we put 4 past Birmingham at home. I found that the most mind numbingly boring game of football I've watched live in many a year, as I did a number of others that season under Mancini. I seriously considered not bothering going to a number of games that year, and in fact I think I recall I fucked the Everton game off because I just couldn't be arsed with the drive to see another mind numbing mechanical performance.

Under those two managers, they were both responsible for moments when I genuinely thought of packing it in, and although Mancini redeemed himself in the following seasons, much of his football was of the same ilk, and I struggled to ever warm to him because of that.

Problem is, like with Keegan before him, Hughes' attempts to make us an attacking force, as with Pellegrini now, result in massive frustration when the simple things don't get done right. So perhaps I can never be happy, because I really couldn't stomach Mancini's approach where every little detail was drilled to death and the game was too rigid.

I saw the future briefly under Mancini, and it was incredible. That's what I want from my football, and Mancini proved that when he took the shackles off, anything was possible.....biggest mystery in football to me how that August to November run turned into cagey stuff grinding out victories again from December onwards - the mixture of approaches won us the league eventually, and perhaps that's the answer as Mourinho plays it, set the team up to play each game as appropriate. Not having a rigid approach to games like pellers or Mancini is the answer for me, perhaps what marks Jose out as a great manager

[Pretty Boy Lee]

[QUOTE="Socrates"]I want both! If I have to choose I will take the results as we were starved of success for so long. If we aren't winning enough to bring home trophies then entertainment becomes even more important. What is essential is that we have at least one or the other![/QUOTE

Sums it up for me, I'd be disappointed in 2nd, but could live with it whilst I'm seeing awesome football.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

If you can't sit back and enjoy a game like today you need your head checking!
This past week, we've beat the CL winners playing great football, beat the league leaders playing great football. We've already beaten the current league champions 4-1 playing great football and smashed Spurs for 6.
Who said you have to choose between results and entertainment?
I've never enjoyed watching City as much as I have this season.

[Nigels Tackle]

a certain someone is obviously very busy today

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[failsworthblue]

This is virtually surreal!

16 goals against Spuds , Arse and Scum.

Never in my Lifetime!

[Beefymcfc]

This is virtually surreal!

16 goals against Spuds , Arse and Scum.

Never in my Lifetime!

Who said you can't have your cake and eat it.

[Michigan Blue]

perhaps that's the answer as Mourinho plays it, set the team up to play each game as appropriate. Not having a rigid approach to games like pellers or Mancini is the answer for me, perhaps what marks Jose out as a great manager

In today's case, Jose's approach was grinding out an insipid 2-1 victory against relegation favorites. At home.

No thanks.

[Twobob]

This thread now needs to have its title changed.

'Entertainment = Results'

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

This thread now needs to have its title changed.

'Entertainment = Results'

Why?

[Twobob]

Why?

Because i said so :-)

[Bridge'srightfoot]

This thread now needs to have its title changed.

'Entertainment = Results'

Why?

It seems the best way to get results is by playing great football.
The Rags at their best often ground out 1-0 wins in games like today. We smashed Arsenal off the park. Even at 4-2 up we looked so hungry to score, we didn't settle, they really gave the fans something to cheer about.

It's never been this good.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

This thread now needs to have its title changed.

'Entertainment = Results'

Why?

It seems the best way to get results is by playing great football.
The Rags at their best often ground out 1-0 wins in games like today. We smashed Arsenal off the park. Even at 4-2 up we looked so hungry to score, we didn't settle, they really gave the fans something to cheer about.

It's never been this good.

This topic wasn't another " how Pellegrini is doing" topic though. It was about your approach to football. I mean, I don't think many of us started watching football after The Takeover.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

This thread now needs to have its title changed.

'Entertainment = Results'

Why?

It seems the best way to get results is by playing great football.
The Rags at their best often ground out 1-0 wins in games like today. We smashed Arsenal off the park. Even at 4-2 up we looked so hungry to score, we didn't settle, they really gave the fans something to cheer about.

It's never been this good.

This topic wasn't another " how Pellegrini is doing" topic though. It was about your approach to football. I mean, I don't think many of us started watching football after The Takeover.

Apologies, my post did veer off in that direction after reading it again.
But seriously you must have enjoyed it today during the match? Even at 0-0 in the first 5 minutes I was thinking 'wow, I can't believe the quality of football we are playing'.

Everyone on here is delirious after today, of course we would still be happy if we had won 1-0 in a cagey game off a scrappy goal. But the manner in which we play football is mesmorising.

To me, you remember days like today when you think back to great games, entertainment will always be the most important thing.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

This thread now needs to have its title changed.

'Entertainment = Results'

Why?

It seems the best way to get results is by playing great football.
The Rags at their best often ground out 1-0 wins in games like today. We smashed Arsenal off the park. Even at 4-2 up we looked so hungry to score, we didn't settle, they really gave the fans something to cheer about.

It's never been this good.

This topic wasn't another " how Pellegrini is doing" topic though. It was about your approach to football. I mean, I don't think many of us started watching football after The Takeover.

Apologies, my post did veer off in that direction after reading it again.
But seriously you must have enjoyed it today during the match? Even at 0-0 in the first 5 minutes I was thinking 'wow, I can't believe the quality of football we are playing'.

Everyone on here is delirious after today, of course we would still be happy if we had won 1-0 in a cagey game off a scrappy goal. But the manner in which we play football is mesmorising.

To me, you remember days like today when you think back to great games, entertainment will always be the most important thing.

Today was a fine example of what I was trying to explain. We attacwked amazingly, they attacked well, we were poor at the back, they were shite at the back and I was shitting it until the fifth went in. I'll watch it again tomorrow and I'm sure I can enjoy it even more jut yeah, until the fifth went in I was nervous.

But three points in the bag against leaders is fantastic result.

[Twobob]

Today was a fine example of what I was trying to explain. We attacwked amazingly, they attacked well, we were poor at the back, they were shite at the back and I was shitting it until the fifth went in. I'll watch it again tomorrow and I'm sure I can enjoy it even more jut yeah, until the fifth went in I was nervous. But three points in the bag against leaders is fantastic result.

That nervousness, for me, adds to the entertainment its the adrenaline rush that you just don't get from a comfortable 7-0.

Ps - didn't mean to widdle on the thread but am all moist xx