Entertainment vs Results

[Beefymcfc]

Are we still saying that if we lost a load of games by 5 goals to 4 which left us near the bottom of the table then we'd be happy with the entertainment?

I'd be happier seeing my team give everything and end up losing 5-4 then playing negative, anti football, boring shit, going for a point like a relegation threatened team.

So, hypothetically, you'd rather see us lose entertaining and not be in with a realistic chance of silverware, possible relegation even, rather than be challenging for something, with the squad we have got?

And before you say 'But that's a loaded question', I am in niether camp, I want us to win entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive, but would still take a scrappy win, regardless of performance, if it meant we were still challenging.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

I think there is a difference between being defensive, dull, scrappy etc on occasions due to injuries, quality of the opposition , state of the competition at that time etc, which probably everyone would accept, and that being the only approach under all circumstances. It's the latter which would make the game not worth watching, and the number of managers who are sacked because of their 'style of play' seems to back this up (although admittedly that is often a euphemism amongst Chairmen!).

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Are we still saying that if we lost a load of games by 5 goals to 4 which left us near the bottom of the table then we'd be happy with the entertainment?

I'd be happier seeing my team give everything and end up losing 5-4 then playing negative, anti football, boring shit, going for a point like a relegation threatened team.

So, hypothetically, you'd rather see us lose entertaining and not be in with a realistic chance of silverware, possible relegation even, rather than be challenging for something, with the squad we have got?

And before you say 'But that's a loaded question', I am in niether camp, I want us to win entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive, but would still take a scrappy win, regardless of performance, if it meant we were still challenging.

I'd lose faith in football honestly and question watching it.
I can take the odd, crappy scraped win. But if that's the approach every week then that's it for me.
When we were shite and had little money, I would take a win anyway it came because we didn't have the quality of players to play great football. But now we've spent hundreds of millions on some of the best players, coaches and facilities in the world, we have a right to demand good football.

If we started to play like Tony Pulis's Stoke or Sam Allardyce's Bolton, with the resources we have at our disposal, and reverted to long ball, set piece tactics, I would quickly stop watching altogether, even if we won most games 1-0. It's not how football should be played.

[Beefymcfc]

Are we still saying that if we lost a load of games by 5 goals to 4 which left us near the bottom of the table then we'd be happy with the entertainment?

I'd be happier seeing my team give everything and end up losing 5-4 then playing negative, anti football, boring shit, going for a point like a relegation threatened team.

So, hypothetically, you'd rather see us lose entertaining and not be in with a realistic chance of silverware, possible relegation even, rather than be challenging for something, with the squad we have got?

And before you say 'But that's a loaded question', I am in niether camp, I want us to win entertaining, they are not mutually exclusive, but would still take a scrappy win, regardless of performance, if it meant we were still challenging.

I'd lose faith in football honestly and question watching it.
I can take the odd, crappy scraped win. But if that's the approach every week then that's it for me.
When we were shite and had little money, I would take a win anyway it came because we didn't have the quality of players to play great football. But now we've spent hundreds of millions on some of the best players, coaches and facilities in the world, we have a right to demand good football.

If we started to play like Tony Pulis's Stoke or Sam Allardyce's Bolton, with the resources we have at our disposal, and reverted to long ball, set piece tactics, I would quickly stop watching altogether, even if we won most games 1-0. It's not how football should be played.

Luckily we don't have to play one way or the other and since the takeover, and before for that matter (except under Pearce, yuk), we've had decet football going on. Some has been cut and thrust, some has been very technical but on the whole we've been blessed with some fantastic football leading to a couple of pieces of silverware and a future that is looking very bright.

Playing fantastic football is great, especially when you're winning, but sometimes a result is all that is needed. If these are the things we are now discussing as City fans then we haven't got too much to whinge at really.

It's all good ;-)

[Wonderwall]

I'd be happier seeing my team give everything and end up losing 5-4 then playing negative, anti football, boring shit, going for a point like a relegation threatened team.

We lost 5-4 against chelsea once... maureen wasnt in charge though

[DoomMerchant]

That wasn't entertainment or a result, it was 2 shit-house wankers agreeing to a score.

Agreed. A fucking peace accord. Complete horseshit. Hate it. Wenger needed to rock out with his cock out and he didn't even get a boner ffs. Try!!! you surrender monkey cunt.

[dazby]

I have to say, the 4-3 derby loss a couple of years ago is still one of my favourite games of all time. That was pure entertainment.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I have to say, the 4-3 derby loss a couple of years ago is still one of my favourite games of all time. That was pure entertainment.

Not in my top 1000.There is no way a defeat at the swamp can be a good memory in any way.

[nottsblue]

Not in my top 1000.There is no way a defeat at the swamp can be a good memory in any way.

Think this might have been one of the occasions a shitty 1-0 in a dour uneventful match is preferable to a high scoring entertaining defeat. Was gutted when the little turd scored. Would have been well happy with a win however dull

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I have to say, the 4-3 derby loss a couple of years ago is still one of my favourite games of all time. That was pure entertainment.

Not in my top 1000.There is no way a defeat at the swamp can be a good memory in any way.

The 0-0 at home the following season was far worse imo. I don't think I've ever left a derby so disappointed, watching us sit back, play with ten men behind the ball and go for a point at home against the Rags, seeing our players so fearful of the opposition and barely venturing out our own half.

Annoyed I remembered that now, makes the Arsenal vs Chelsea game look like a classic in comparison.

[Slim]

I'd be happier seeing my team give everything and end up losing 5-4 then playing negative, anti football, boring shit, going for a point like a relegation threatened team.

We lost 5-4 against chelsea once... maureen wasnt in charge though

1985 full members cup?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I have to say, the 4-3 derby loss a couple of years ago is still one of my favourite games of all time. That was pure entertainment.

That's what I mean. That was one of THE most horrible moments ever when their winner went in. Absolutely devastating. And that wasn't even skillfull football but horrible defensive mistake after horrible defensive mistake. I can understand some neutrals enjoying that but... well like I said, people enjoy their football and City from different perspectives.

Yesterday was fine example of other end of the scope. We were far from amazing but grinded a result in the end and what a feeling after that final whistle!

[Ted Hughes]

I have to say, the 4-3 derby loss a couple of years ago is still one of my favourite games of all time. That was pure entertainment.

That's what I mean. That was one of THE most horrible moments ever when their winner went in. Absolutely devastating. And that wasn't even skillfull football but horrible defensive mistake after horrible defensive mistake. I can understand some neutrals enjoying that but... well like I said, people enjoy their football and City from different perspectives.

Yesterday was fine example of other end of the scope. We were far from amazing but grinded a result in the end and what a feeling after that final whistle!

Yesterday was indeed the kind of day when it matters little whether it's a good game or not, just a win is all that is required.
As it happened, it was a good game anyway, but the result was all.

There is however, no need to have many games like that out of each 50 or so we play; just a few need to be 'result' games. We have the resources to play most games generating great entertainment & so we should aspire to imo.

It is already having a big effect on the way we are perceived as a club.

[Wonderwall]

1985 full members cup?

Yup. 5-1 down and a brilliant revival with the ref blowing the whistle early to stop.us scoring again.. they have been against us since time began.

[s1ty m]

Not in my top 1000.There is no way a defeat at the swamp can be a good memory in any way.

Me neither.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Absolute entertainment yesterday. Two teams going for it, playing great attacking football mixed in with moments of sheer quality from both sides. End to end stuff, really sweating at the end. Give me that over a boring 1-0 mundane Mourinho win every time. If you can't enjoy a game like that then your perceptions of football are wrong. Other than the hull game, every home game has been really entertaining so far.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Absolute entertainment yesterday. Two teams going for it, playing great attacking football mixed in with moments of sheer quality from both sides. End to end stuff, really sweating at the end. Give me that over a boring 1-0 mundane mourinho win every time. If you can't enjoy a game like that then your perceptions of football are wrong. Other than the hull game, every home game has been really entertaining so far.

Exactly this.

There's a saying that victory is all the sweeter for being hard-won and yesterday's game fell into that category.

Terrific stuff and just as good for any neutrals who might have been watching.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Yesterday was fine example of other end of the scope. We were far from amazing but grinded a result in the end and what a feeling after that final whistle!

I wouldn't say we ground out out a result yesterday; we had some great moves during the game. We did though close it out effectively during the second half. Nevertheless, I would put yesterday in the entertainment camp.

[Original Dub]

Yesterday was fine example of other end of the scope. We were far from amazing but grinded a result in the end and what a feeling after that final whistle!

I wouldn't say we ground out out a result yesterday; we had some great moves during the game. We did though close it out effectively during the second half. Nevertheless, I would put yesterday in the entertainment camp.

It doesn't much more entertaining than the Liverpool game.

Today... a bit closer to a grind out alright.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Yesterday was fine example of other end of the scope. We were far from amazing but grinded a result in the end and what a feeling after that final whistle!

I wouldn't say we ground out out a result yesterday; we had some great moves during the game. We did though close it out effectively during the second half. Nevertheless, I would put yesterday in the entertainment camp.

It doesn't much more entertaining than the Liverpool game.

Today... a bit closer to a grind out alright.

We didn't grind out a result at all vs Liverpool. That was two great teams attacking each other for 90 minutes, end to end stuff. It's hardly like we shut up shop once we went ahead.

Today we had to grind out a bit, due to Palace being well organized and us resting some of our better players, we didn't play great but got the result.