Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Alioune DVToure » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:31 pm

Fidel Castro wrote:
Is it though? Shearer's celebration looked vaguely like a Nazi salute? As did Benjani's. Maybe in reference to Mugabe?


I mean a deliberate/knowing reference, OBVIOUSLY. If Anelka knew the historical significance of his 'inverted Nazi salute' (if that is indeed what the quenelle is), then he can't defend it by attaching his own meaning to it.

Perhaps Benjani's was an impression of a Zanu PF heavy pointing to a number of white farmers, urging them to fuck off or be killed.

But I doubt it.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:55 pm

However you interpret the actions of those mentioned, whether they intend the gesture or not, they genuinely are fucking stupid either way. Anelka has always been a fucking idiot though.

Balotelli will probably emerge from whatever fantasy world he currently inhabits & do it next week & then be totally shocked when he finds out what it is.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby BlueinBosnia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:09 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:
Fidel Castro wrote:
Is it though? Shearer's celebration looked vaguely like a Nazi salute? As did Benjani's. Maybe in reference to Mugabe?


I mean a deliberate/knowing reference, OBVIOUSLY. If Anelka knew the historical significance of his 'inverted Nazi salute' (if that is indeed what the quenelle is), then he can't defend it by attaching his own meaning to it.


From what has been reported in the media, it's French Zionist (not 'Jewish') groups who have likened it to an 'inverted Nazi salute' after being a bit cheesed off with the content/popularity of this comedian's act. From what I've read so far, there is no 'historic origin' to it, and no connection self-made by the comedian.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Fidel Castro » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:28 am

BlueinBosnia wrote:
From what has been reported in the media, it's French Zionist (not 'Jewish') groups who have likened it to an 'inverted Nazi salute' after being a bit cheesed off with the content/popularity of this comedian's act. From what I've read so far, there is no 'historic origin' to it, and no connection self-made by the comedian.


I was wondering what the 'historic' context was. Doesn't seem there is one. Hence why no fucker was up in arms about it until the press jumped on it. Zionism is by definition fucking racist, so if it is those cunts who have tried to turn it into a racism row, they can do one.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby kinkylola » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:51 am

firstly ... he's doing it to support his friend who is being attacked by politician's in france. The dude is a shock comedian, like thousands of others who make racist jokes part of their act in the USA and all over the world (never heard this comedian's act). This particular comedian has angered french zionists though, and they've got a lot of pull.

This is a gesture that has 0 historical context, and was pretty much only made famous because this one comedian did it a lot and it offended zionists. "Inverted" / "Reverse" Nazi Salute? What does that even mean? Are we in 5th grade? If I put my arm behind my head and wiggle my fingers, does that mean I'm in love with suzy whilst supporting palestinians? I certainly hope not, because that's how I regularly greet my mother! The comedian is probably anti-zionist, and he is definitely anti-establishment. There is nothing wrong with being either of those two things.

Anelka has come out and said religion has nothing to do it with, and he stands by it. It may have been not the smartest decision to do it so publicly, but that was his choice. There's nothing wrong with advocating either of the potential stances, publicly or privately, and there's nothing wrong with showing a public sign of support to his under-fire friend.

Nasri looks like a clown doing it, and it's totally the wrong arm ... his actually means that he's not happy about his recent sky package. Notice how he's leaning towards the ground whilst supporting his arm in pointing at it? He's Anti-Sky.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby MUS » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:03 am

Such a ploy.

Anti-Zionist, does not mean anti-semitic.

It's like being Anti-Conservative, Anti-Slave trade, Anti-Nazi (Christian examples) or anti-jihad, anti-alqaeda (muslim examples).
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby zuricity » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:10 am

I wonder what NQDP thinks.... he's Antti everything...

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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby kinkylola » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:13 am

zuricity wrote:I'm wearing my coat btw.


good, now get out.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby zuricity » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:47 am

kinkylola wrote:
good, now get out.


I'm on my way..... from misery to happiness. C'mon u Blues 3 pts tomorrow.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby kinkylola » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:55 am

zuricity wrote:
kinkylola wrote:
good, now get out.


I'm on my way..... from misery to happiness. C'mon u Blues 3 pts tomorrow.


haha, good man.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Blue Since 76 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:33 am

patrickblue wrote:
The Jesse Owens incident should have given him a clue.


At the risk of defending Hitler, he refused to acknowledge any foreign athlete, not just Owens. The real racist incident around that was on the return to America when one of the athletes wasn't allowed into the White House through the front door for the celebration.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Blue Since 76 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:36 am

Fidel Castro wrote:
I was wondering what the 'historic' context was. Doesn't seem there is one. Hence why no fucker was up in arms about it until the press jumped on it. Zionism is by definition fucking racist, so if it is those cunts who have tried to turn it into a racism row, they can do one.


The problem is, no one seems to know what it really means. But then you find pictures of people doing it at Auschwitz. Whatever the original meaning may have been, I'd suggest it's been lost and people would probably be best avoiding doing it, especially inside football grounds
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby saulman » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:15 am

You can't fart in the direction of Israel without being branded 'anti-semitic'.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:08 am

saulman wrote:You can't fart in the direction of Israel without being branded 'anti-semitic'.


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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Nigels Tackle » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:30 am

jews, muslims, the french...
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:57 am

No one seems to understand what the Quenelle means, if anything, or its place in French politics, but my take on this affair is as follows. In my contract of employment it states I can be disciplined if anything I do affects the reputation of the company, either inside work (like Anelka was when scoring his goal), or outside work if I refer to the company (like Nasri was when photographed in front of the City crest). Their views are their own business, but they have needlessly involved WBA and City, and I would expect them to be reprimanded and reminded of their professional responsibilities.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Slim » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:02 pm

Wouldn't the Jews welcome a "reverse Nazi salute"?

And someone should tell those bigots that Nazi's and Muslims are two different people, what? Do they all look alike?
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Rag_hater » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:18 pm

saulman wrote:You can't fart in the direction of Israel without being branded 'anti-semitic'.



Think Hezbollah have more than farted at Israel.
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby Mase » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:09 pm

Rag_hater wrote: Think Hezbollah have more than farted at Israel.


Sharted then?
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Re: Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

Postby PrezIke » Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:36 pm

btw, nasri already apologised for gesture, and mamadou sakho, who also has performed it, claimed he was "tricked":

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... st-brom-fa

The case for Anelka's defence is potentially supported by the emergence of photographs on social networking sites showing Samir Nasri, the Manchester City midfielder, and Mamadou Sakho, the Liverpool defender, also performing the quenelle.

The photograph of Nasri and a friend was taken outside City's training ground and posted on Facebook in early November before being re-published on social networks on Sunday, 24 hours after Anelka's celebration.

On Monday, Nasri apologised on Twitter: "It has absolutely nothing to do with being antisemitic or against Jewish people. I apologise for any hurt to anyone."

Photographs of Sakho also emerged on Twitter in November, but the Liverpool defender insists he did not know what it meant, saying: "This photo was taken six months ago, I did not know the meaning of this gesture. I was tricked."


in the states nba/san antonio spurs star, tony parker, was also photographed having made the gesture with the comedian, and he quickly apologised as well:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1905 ... le-gesture

“While this gesture has been part of French culture for many years, it was not until recently that I learned of the very negative concerns associated with it. When l was photographed making that gesture three years ago, I thought it was part of a comedy act and did not know that it could be in any way offensive or harmful. Since I have been made aware of the seriousness of this gesture, I will certainly never repeat the gesture and sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding or harm relating to my actions. Hopefully this incident will serve to educate others that we need to be more aware that things that may seem innocuous can actually have a history of hate and hurt.”


another french nba player, boris diaw has also been photographed performing it with dieudonne.

what is interesting is that anelka has not backtracked as these other athletes have, i.e. not apologised, but said he will not perform it during games.

the right wing local new york tabloid the new york post, of course posted information suggesting the comedian holds views similar to former iranian prez,

http://nypost.com/2013/12/30/spurs-park ... i-gesture/

Parker is seen using the gesture with French comedian Dieudonne, who invented the hand signal, in a photo taken backstage following one of Dieudonne’s shows in the fall. Dieudonne is a known supporter of former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s views on the State of Israel and his film, “The Anti-Semite,” was banned from the Cannes Film Festival last year.


here's my thing. the whole thing is complicated and blurred by various biases people have. in america being anti-zionist is practically considered anti-semetic in some circles. for zionist identifying jews this scares them to death, fair or not fair. to more conservative christians they love israel, and the most conservative of course hold it key to their idea of 'the rapture.' criticisms of israeli policy towards palestinians has grown more popular but it's not as big of an issue here as it is in europe.

now, i don't claim to know much about dieudonne, but i am reading a few places that he is known to be critical of the state of israel, which for muslims is a widely held view, as are many of the players who have performed the gesture with the comedian. however, it's one thing to be anti-zionist, but IF he was a supporter of ahmadinejad, that person loses credibility.

that man used tricks and cons via pseudo-intellectual concepts like "we must question everything" (i'm paraphrasing) to challenge the idea that the extermination of jews by the nazis, something that is well documented historically, should be something to question as fact.

now, i don't trust what i read in the ny post because they are about as bad as the sun when it comes to reporting, but it would be interesting to know what was going on with the support of the comedian and his act. we know in france there is a strong divide between immigrants and musims and traditionally white french society that has festered for years.

i suspect some do support his views, at least on being anti-zionist or at least critical of israeli policy towards palestine, but it's a political nightmare to take that risk, and some didn't think it through. my other suspscion is anelka may have known more of what he was doing as he is a convert to islam in 2004, during the hight of the iraq war.
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