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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:30 am

As Aaron said I'm not sure why we should be happy that he's not having an easy time. Real Madrid are one of the most succesful clubs of all time and still atm have a bigger pull than us, especially to Spanish players.
Can't really begrudge his decision to go there. Plus, how much would he have played for us anyway? Who out of Nasri and Silva does he replace?
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Clowncrete » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:36 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:As Aaron said I'm not sure why we should be happy that he's not having an easy time. Real Madrid are one of the most succesful clubs of all time and still atm have a bigger pull than us, especially to Spanish players.
Can't really begrudge his decision to go there. Plus, how much would he have played for us anyway? Who out of Nasri and Silva does he replace?


Both Nasri and Silva have suffered from injuries. Isco could easily have filled the gap.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby aaron bond » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:37 am

Tim777 wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
We probably should never have signed Clichy then. He wasn't too flattering about us before he joined.


Exactly. Look at him now. Half-arsed half of the time. Could it be because of his motives for joining? As I said, you gotta have a real passion for the club, or else the cracks will eventually show.

July 25th 2009: “I really believe if you are a player who thinks only about money then you could end up at Manchester City,” said Clichy. “You have to think if you want to play for a big club and have your image or if you want to play for a good club and earn big money. When you ask someone to move for something like £300,000 a week it is just crazy.”

July 4th 2011: “I’m really happy to be joining such a great club,” said Clichy. “I hope I can add to the quality we already have here because we have a fantastic squad who I believe will continue to get better. I can’t wait to get started and I think anything is possible with this team.”


I was being sarcastic but clearly you're not. You didn't need to post his quotes - I was clearly well aware of what Clichy had said otherwise I wouldn't have written what I did.

Clichy has been largely excellent for us, although admittedly he has had too many indifferent performances this season.

You are deluded if you believe that all the players who have joined us in recent years did so because of a burning passion to play for us. They may have a developed a passion for the club during their time with us, but until 4/5 years ago none of Europe's top players were clamouring to play for us. A chance to join an exciting project, coupled with a significant pay packet, is what convinced them, but that's not passion.

I believe that is changing slowly as we establish ourselves amongst the elite but but don't delude yourself that it's been that way in the past.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:40 am

Clowncrete wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:As Aaron said I'm not sure why we should be happy that he's not having an easy time. Real Madrid are one of the most succesful clubs of all time and still atm have a bigger pull than us, especially to Spanish players.
Can't really begrudge his decision to go there. Plus, how much would he have played for us anyway? Who out of Nasri and Silva does he replace?


Both Nasri and Silva have suffered from injuries. Isco could easily have filled the gap.

Would he have wanted to have been a gap filler? And Navas aswell gives us vital width so he would have been competing with him aswell.
The point I'm making is we can't begrudge a Spanish player for choosing Real Madrid over us.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:48 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Clowncrete wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:As Aaron said I'm not sure why we should be happy that he's not having an easy time. Real Madrid are one of the most succesful clubs of all time and still atm have a bigger pull than us, especially to Spanish players.
Can't really begrudge his decision to go there. Plus, how much would he have played for us anyway? Who out of Nasri and Silva does he replace?


Both Nasri and Silva have suffered from injuries. Isco could easily have filled the gap.

Would he have wanted to have been a gap filler? And Navas aswell gives us vital width so he would have been competing with him aswell.
The point I'm making is we can't begrudge a Spanish player for choosing Real Madrid over us.


We can if the allegations are true that he gave Manuel his word.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Tim777 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:49 am

aaron bond wrote:
I was being sarcastic but clearly you're not. You didn't need to post his quotes - I was clearly well aware of what Clichy had said otherwise I wouldn't have written what I did.

Clichy has been largely excellent for us, although admittedly he has had too many indifferent performances this season.

You are deluded if you believe that all the players who have joined us in recent years did so because of a burning passion to play for us. They may have a developed a passion for the club during their time with us, but until 4/5 years ago none of Europe's top players were clamouring to play for us. A chance to join an exciting project, coupled with a significant pay packet, is what convinced them, but that's not passion.

I believe that is changing slowly as we establish ourselves amongst the elite but but don't delude yourself that it's been that way in the past.


Yes, in the past I would have been less inclined to have that view, but with the evolving status of the club, as you say, we should be in a better position to stand our ground than we have been able to do in the past.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:51 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Clowncrete wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:As Aaron said I'm not sure why we should be happy that he's not having an easy time. Real Madrid are one of the most succesful clubs of all time and still atm have a bigger pull than us, especially to Spanish players.
Can't really begrudge his decision to go there. Plus, how much would he have played for us anyway? Who out of Nasri and Silva does he replace?


Both Nasri and Silva have suffered from injuries. Isco could easily have filled the gap.

Would he have wanted to have been a gap filler? And Navas aswell gives us vital width so he would have been competing with him aswell.
The point I'm making is we can't begrudge a Spanish player for choosing Real Madrid over us.


No he wouldn't, clearly, as that's what he's unhappy with at Real Madrid.

Isco was a replacement for Nasri from last season, & that would have been a big upgrade. This season's version of Nasri is better than Isco, so not signing him has worked in our favour.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Dubciteh » Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:32 pm

He is not the player we need BUT if he was, there would be no issue with going back in there, these things happen players choose other clubs especially in there own country, if the player is good enough, has the right attitude and is one we need we would be mad to let it get away.

Luckily we dont have this dilemma as he is not what we require now.

Would people turn down Alexis Sanches cos he turned us down a couple of years ago? i wouldnt.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Original Dub » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:08 pm

Dubciteh wrote:He is not the player we need BUT if he was, there would be no issue with going back in there, these things happen players choose other clubs especially in there own country, if the player is good enough, has the right attitude and is one we need we would be mad to let it get away.

Luckily we dont have this dilemma as he is not what we require now.

Would people turn down Alexis Sanches cos he turned us down a couple of years ago? i wouldnt.


The thing is, I have a feeling that we have a policy when negotiating with players - we will go in for you once and once only. Turn us down and we will never go back.

And yes, I do blame him for making the wrong decision, or at least for going back on his word to my club.

Fuck him, let him regret not moving to us, just like Kaka does... and probably all the others who "shunned" us.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Hazy2 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 2:28 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:He is not the player we need BUT if he was, there would be no issue with going back in there, these things happen players choose other clubs especially in there own country, if the player is good enough, has the right attitude and is one we need we would be mad to let it get away.

Luckily we dont have this dilemma as he is not what we require now.

Would people turn down Alexis Sanches cos he turned us down a couple of years ago? i wouldnt.


The thing is, I have a feeling that we have a policy when negotiating with players - we will go in for you once and once only. Turn us down and we will never go back.

And yes, I do blame him for making the wrong decision, or at least for going back on his word to my club.

Fuck him, let him regret not moving to us, just like Kaka does... and probably all the others who "shunned" us.


Messi will be the exception to this I assume.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:16 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:He is not the player we need BUT if he was, there would be no issue with going back in there, these things happen players choose other clubs especially in there own country, if the player is good enough, has the right attitude and is one we need we would be mad to let it get away.

Luckily we dont have this dilemma as he is not what we require now.

Would people turn down Alexis Sanches cos he turned us down a couple of years ago? i wouldnt.


The thing is, I have a feeling that we have a policy when negotiating with players - we will go in for you once and once only. Turn us down and we will never go back.

And yes, I do blame him for making the wrong decision, or at least for going back on his word to my club.

Fuck him, let him regret not moving to us, just like Kaka does... and probably all the others who "shunned" us.

[/Messi will be the exception to this I assume.



My goodness, when did we make a genuine bid for Messi ??
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Two's Kompany » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:16 pm

I have no axe to grind. Young Spanish player joins Spanish giants is not eaxctly a snub.
I'm sure we'll go back if Pellegrini wants us too and I would imagine he would.
However the deal may change and I guess his dad may not be calling the shots this time round!
May still miss out when Zidane 'promises' him more game time, just before they announce another 'flavour of the month' signing!!!
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:33 am

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:He is not the player we need BUT if he was, there would be no issue with going back in there, these things happen players choose other clubs especially in there own country, if the player is good enough, has the right attitude and is one we need we would be mad to let it get away.

Luckily we dont have this dilemma as he is not what we require now.

Would people turn down Alexis Sanches cos he turned us down a couple of years ago? i wouldnt.


The thing is, I have a feeling that we have a policy when negotiating with players - we will go in for you once and once only. Turn us down and we will never go back.

And yes, I do blame him for making the wrong decision, or at least for going back on his word to my club.

Fuck him, let him regret not moving to us, just like Kaka does... and probably all the others who "shunned" us.

[/Messi will be the exception to this I assume.



My goodness, when did we make a genuine bid for Messi ??


Woah I am only saying we might have to continue the wooing until he signs for us... if that secures him for me ask him as many times as we like. I am pretty sure his peeps talk with our peeps about the weather and how Sergio and Zabs miss him....
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Crossie » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:36 am

Nasri and Silva are "getting on a bit"? Saaaay whaaaat!?

Yes both have been injured and it would have been great to have Isco ready to come in but what about the other 55 games of the season?

In the real world you cannot have 25 world class players, or even 25 excellent players, it's just not possible to keep them all happy.

There is no way we should sign that guy as backup and we don't need him in the first 11 either.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby patrickblue » Sun Feb 16, 2014 1:58 am

Probably bullshit, but for what it's worth

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/ma ... 38515.html


Manchester City 'to move for Real Madrid's Isco'



By Chris O'Keefe, Reporter
Filed: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at 00:41 UK
Last Updated: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at 00:41 UK

Manchester City are lining up a deal with bring Spanish star Isco to the Ethiad Stadium in the summer in a move worth £30m, according to reports.

Daily Star Sunday claims that the 21-year-old Real Madrid attacker is unsettled at the Bernabeu after finding himself on the fringes of Los Blancos under Carlo Ancelotti and is said to be seriously considering a move to City in the next transfer window.

The Blues are thought to be competing with Italian giants AC Milan for the Spanish international's signature, but are unwilling to offer reported Real target Sergio Aguero as part of any deal, having said the Argentine forward is not for sale.

City were linked with Isco last summer and were believed to be close to completing a deal before Real Madrid hijacked the move and lured the youngster to the Spanish capital.

Isco played under Blues boss Manuel Pellegrini at Malaga.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:14 am

Depends on what he wants it for . . .
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby Green & Blue » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:17 am

patrickblue wrote:Probably bullshit, but for what it's worth

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/ma ... 38515.html


Manchester City 'to move for Real Madrid's Isco'



By Chris O'Keefe, Reporter
Filed: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at 00:41 UK
Last Updated: Sunday, February 16, 2014 at 00:41 UK

Manchester City are lining up a deal with bring Spanish star Isco to the Ethiad Stadium in the summer in a move worth £30m, according to reports.

Daily Star Sunday claims that the 21-year-old Real Madrid attacker is unsettled at the Bernabeu after finding himself on the fringes of Los Blancos under Carlo Ancelotti and is said to be seriously considering a move to City in the next transfer window.

The Blues are thought to be competing with Italian giants AC Milan for the Spanish international's signature, but are unwilling to offer reported Real target Sergio Aguero as part of any deal, having said the Argentine forward is not for sale.

City were linked with Isco last summer and were believed to be close to completing a deal before Real Madrid hijacked the move and lured the youngster to the Spanish capital.

Isco played under Blues boss Manuel Pellegrini at Malaga.


I would entertain that story, he's a very good player.It was a right dose we didn't get him during the summer but in this case I would be well up for a better late than never scenario.
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Re: Shall we get him a tissue?

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:33 am

No, because,
1. He blew us out first time we asked him for a date.
2.We don't need him.
3.We need to recruit in other areas - CB , DM , GK
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