Penalty and red card.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here mate.
If a player is last man and makes a foul it is a clear indicator (but there are exceptions) that this has prevented a clear goal scoring opportunity.
Nearly every red card for a non malicious foul will be a last man challenge.

I dont understand what you dont understand, FORGET the phrase "last man", it means nothing and is not mentioned in any rules, the only people that use it are stupid commentators. The only thing to concentrate on is whether it is a CLEAR goal scoring opportunity or not.

Last man is just a misnomer, there are lots of factors that could be used, however, people get hung up on the last man.

Because it is usually a simple way of indicating the most important one. Yes it's not always a red if the 'last man' commits a foul, but it will ONLY EVER be a red for stopping a goalscoring opportunity if the defender committing the foul is the 'last man'. So it's the main factor in most situations when a player is fouled whilst running at goal.

Thanks.

[ayrshireblue]

If the laws were a yellow for in the box and red for outside you can bet your bottom dollar that last nights ref would have sent off Demi and given a free kick.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It was as clear cut red card as you can get. I mean, they could show the tape of it in referee class and say "THIS is what we mean byt the rule".

The challenge started outside of the box but watching it live I immediately thought it was a penalty so can't blame ref too much.

Stupid stupid challenge anywhichway you want to put it.

[Ted Hughes]

It was as clear cut red card as you can get. I mean, they could show the tape of it in referee class and say "THIS is what we mean byt the rule".

The challenge started outside of the box but watching it live I immediately thought it was a penalty so can't blame ref too much.

Stupid stupid challenge anywhichway you want to put it.

11 v 11 & actually trying to win the game, I recon we could well be taking a lead there.

Barca scoring could actually have been good for us by making us attack them & realise how shitty they are at the back. Being down to ten, fucked us over.

[PeterParker]

[Original Dub]

Should be that the culprit stays on the pitch while the penalty is taken. If the ball goes in the net, he stays on the pitch with a yellow.

If the peno taker misses, the culprit walks.

Easy.

[nottsblue]

The law of the game is very clear. None of us particularly like it and none of us are gonna change it.

Therefore maybe players should adapt. Learn to fuckin defend!!!! I could forgive Nastasic getting a red there as he is still yet. But MDM has over a decade of experience. His positioning was awful to begin with and anticipation non existant. Really, really poor. As many have said, let the forward have a shot and stay on the field. Hart is actually reasonable at one on ones

[aaron bond]

Should be that the culprit stays on the pitch while the penalty is taken. If the ball goes in the net, he stays on the pitch with a yellow.

If the peno taker misses, the culprit walks.

Easy.

What if the keeper saves it and the ball bounces back to the culprit? Is he allowed to clear the ball or not touch it? When does he leave the pitch...when the ball next goes out of play? What if the ball never goes out of play for the rest of the game?

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I'm not sure it's as easy that.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

What if the keeper saves it and the ball bounces back to the culprit? Is he allowed to clear the ball or not touch it? When does he leave the pitch...when the ball next goes out of play? What if the ball never goes out of play for the rest of the game? I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I'm not sure it's as easy that.

What if he saves it and they starts counter attack? What if he saves it and the player in question comes to clear? Lots isn't there. Clearly a rule that won't work.

[aaron bond]

What if the keeper saves it and the ball bounces back to the culprit? Is he allowed to clear the ball or not touch it? When does he leave the pitch...when the ball next goes out of play? What if the ball never goes out of play for the rest of the game? I'm playing devil's advocate here, but I'm not sure it's as easy that.

What if he saves it and they starts counter attack? What if he saves it and the player in question comes to clear? Lots isn't there. Clearly a rule that won't work.

Same when people say we need to bring in video replays for penalty decisions. It just can't work.

Say a team was allowed '1 challenge' per game to a ref's decision. A player for Team A goes down in the box but the ref doesn't give a penalty. Team B then goes on a counter-attack. Team A thinks it was a penalty so challenge the decision, stopping Team B's attack. Video replay shows the ref was right and so Team B should have been allowed to continue their attack and possibly score, but they didn't get that opportunity. Not to mention a system like this could be tactically used to manipulate a game, say in the last few minutes if you're hanging on to a lead.

The current system isn't perfect as human error is always a risk, but changing the system to something I've just described would be much worse.

[Moonchesteri]

What if he saves it and they starts counter attack? What if he saves it and the player in question comes to clear? Lots isn't there. Clearly a rule that won't work.

Obviously he would have to wait with the fourth referee at the halfway line and if the penalty is missed he will be allowed get back into the field immediately? Simples

[PeterParker]

Should be that the culprit stays on the pitch while the penalty is taken. If the ball goes in the net, he stays on the pitch with a yellow.

If the peno taker misses, the culprit walks.

Easy.

This is so twisted that i actually like it. I feel like in ancient times.

Let the Gods decide his fate!

[london blue 2]

This is so twisted that i actually like it. I feel like in ancient times. Let the Gods decide his fate!

Imagine cup final and a Peno is given early. The team purposely skies it in order to put the oppo down to ten for the remainder of the match.

Not sure if people would do this. Probably.

[Ted Hughes]

The law of the game is very clear. None of us particularly like it and none of us are gonna change it.

Therefore maybe players should adapt. Learn to fuckin defend!!!! I could forgive Nastasic getting a red there as he is still yet. But MDM has over a decade of experience. His positioning was awful to begin with and anticipation non existant. Really, really poor. As many have said, let the forward have a shot and stay on the field. Hart is actually reasonable at one on ones

Which word is missing from there ? 'Shit' ? ;)

I think this rule may get changed but they will find the worst way of doing it.

Imo, there should be an advantage to the player who is fouled in these situations rather than trying to create a disadvantage to the side doing the fouling, or punishing them twice. Therefore, if it is a 'definite goalscoring opportunity' which is being denied, why should there be an advantage to the side committing the foul when it's outside the box ? Often a red card in that situation is 'taking one for the team' & the team with 10 men still wins.

Decide the card depending on the seriousness of the foul. Ie: if it's dragging someone to the floor Rugby style; red card. If it's a nasty challenge; red card. If it's an attempted tackle which just misses; yellow card.

Then give the ball back to the player & let him run & take on the keeper, like they do in Ice Hockey. Fair & entertaining. If the keeper fouls him, red card.

The attacking team then gets an opportunity to score & the game continues as normal. If the foul was deemed to be denying an actual goal, rather than just an opportunity, ie the player was running at an empty net; award a goal. like they do a penalty try in Rugby.

Similarly, if the 'last man' Rugby tackles someone in the box, red card him then give the pen. If he makes a decent attempt to win the ball; yellow card/pen. If someone handles the ball deliberately n the goal line, preventing the ball from going in; red card; goal.

If you apply rules along those lines, it's an actual disadvantage to take someone out when they are running at goal. So on the whole, only genuine tackles will be made apart from by nutters, & they will be sent off. But defenders don't have to be scared to try & make a legitimate challenge for fear of getting it wrong & getting a red card.

[Slim]

Change "yet" for "young" and the sentence makes sense.

They have been talking about changing that rule for 4 years now, I''m not holding my breath.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I don't like the rule one bit. If it's in the box it's a yellow and a penalty, if it's outside the box it's a red. Both a red and a penalty doesn't make any sense (for me at least) and I felt the same when Spurs got Rose sent off when played them last time. It's just too much.

OD's suggestion is not bad either and any of the clearly immoral effects like counter attacks etc could clearly be avoided if play was stopped after the penalty has been saved or converted. Then the card is handed out appropriately and the game goes to kick off or goal kick, depending on the result of the penalty.

[Slim]

My mate at work claims it's because without the red it's not punishing the player. Goal scoring attempt denied, goal scoring attempt given, is a yellow enough?

I think if they keep it in the game, it should be a red card with no match ban.

[Ted Hughes]

Change "yet" for "young" and the sentence makes sense.

They have been talking about changing that rule for 4 years now, I''m not holding my breath.

Never would have guessed.

If a FIFA panel have been talking for 4 years, then they should be past the introductary drinks (in Barbados) stage now & into the actual discussion (in a Thai brothel) stage & then in time for the next World Cup after this one, move onto the decision dinners month ( Burj Al Arab hotel Dubai) folowed eventually by announcement cocktails at Hugh Hefner's place.

[Parku72]

The only problem with a penalty and yellow for a foul inside the box is then keepers will clatter into strikers in one on one situations and then hope to save the penalty!

[Ted Hughes]

The only problem with a penalty and yellow for a foul inside the box is then keepers will clatter into strikers in one on one situations and then hope to save the penalty!

Not if you were to judge the foul on its merit as I suggested ie; a genuine attempt= yellow card, a blatant foul=red.