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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby EEE » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:35 pm

First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values.

Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks.


1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games.


2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if;

- Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws)

- and Chelsea draws one game.


If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible).

I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it.

Cheerio.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Benjay » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:48 pm

EEE wrote:First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values.

Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks.

1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games.

2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if;

- Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws)

- and Chelsea draws one game.

If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible).

I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it.

Cheerio.


I admire your optimism I really do. I cannot see Liverpool fucking this up. Their Chelsea game is massive (for them) but they have momentum and we should know how much that counts from 2 years ago.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Benjay » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:49 pm

....our responses to Everton and Palace - when they fly at us will be very interesting.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby EEE » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:11 pm

Sure Liverpool has momentum and I would argue that momentum (both over a period of time and in spells during a single game) is one of the most fascinating and loveable factors in sports. What`s magic about momentum is that it could arise when no one expects it BUT also be gone in a second due to a sudden and unexpected change of matters.

Come Sunday and Suarez gets a red card, Skrtel scores an own goal or (and) Norwich simply plays a blinder and grinds out a lucky 1-1 draw, that momentum that makes Liverpool perform way over their standards would be gone and things would look way different again.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:27 pm

Whoever gets the most points deserves to win the title, regardless. All this slagging the fans, players and manager is just symptomatic of any club. We're no different and we as fans have been very similar for many years. Due to lack of success we've grown older as a supporter and probably more weary of singing for our team. Now, we are starting to produce it's only the hardened oldies and the up for it youngsters who will give it for the 90 minutes.

We've all seen it, all those people with their flasks and shouts of 'Sit Down', and there are quite a few. These are the die-hard fans who still deserve respect for the support they've shown through the years but now the whinging bastards want them away because they no longer give it the full lung.

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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:10 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:It is a rare on any football message board for a post which bags the fans and the team to get a mostly measured and thought out response.

I could not agree with the OP more. We really do not deserve to win the title and even if we go on by some sort of miracle to win the title it will be one that we won by default.

The tempo of our game and the atmosphere in the ground last night was one which suited an end of season game that meant fuck all. I wonder if those two things are linked.

Our home crowd’s attitude towards games these days is getting embarrassing. We used to slag of Arsenal and Man United but I reckon we are worse than that these days. I have a few theories on why that is.

a) Fans are too spoilt
b) We won the league once and that is one more time than any of us thought we would win it. It almost doesnt matter anymore.
c) We are only really interested in creating an atmosphere when United come to town. Barca, Real, Bayern have all been to our ground in the past two years and you would have thought we were playing West Ham by the reaction of the crowd. Would we have created the cauldron of noise on Sunday that Liverpool fans did if we had been at home on Sunday. I doubt it.

Both B&C are symptoms of small club thinking. Our owners want to reach for the sky and dominate Europe. We want to beat United.

As for the team, there are far too many passengers. For the money that was been spent on transfers and wages we are far too reliant on certain players. If Kompany, Zabaleta or Toure are missing we look useless. Those responsible for the buying of players at the club have failed to address our major weakness for the past two seasons. I like Navas and Jovetic but have they really added anything to our season? Those were not areas of the pitch that we needed extra depth. A decent center half and a guy to give Toure something to worry about / give him a rest from time to time has been missing for two seasons now.

We now need a right back that can cover for Zabba and a keeper who does not just hoof the ball back into the area where we are getting bossed about.

I've enjoyed this season as a whole, finishing a tight 3rd is a better showing than second last season without even looking like winning the title. A cup was nice but it won't look so great if Liverpool win the league and Chelsea win the CL. Infact even if they finish 3rd and make the final and lose I would still say that is a better effort than our 2nd and league cup.

Spot on.
I think the fact that we won the league in some ways makes us more apathetic as you say. The QPR game was the ultimate, nothing can ever compete with that. We could win the quadruple and it would still not give us that same feeling as we had when Aguero scored.
Secondly I really agree with your point about our mentality towards just being better than United. It was most evident when posters on here were willing and wanting Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal to beat the Rags or draw despite the fact the rags posed no threat to us. I wonder those on here who found it hilarious when Chelsea and Liverpool beat the rags still find it funny now? I even remember a couple of posters who said they'd rather the Rags finish fifth and us third than the us win the league and them coming fourth. As you say it's a small mentality, we seem so obsessed just with just being better than them that we've lost sight of the main prize.
When we stop being obsessed with them and put all our energy into supporting us we will start to see the results.

It just seems Liverpool want this title so much more than we do.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby bayblue » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:20 pm

The OP mentioned several things, all of which were spot on.
The one I wanted to pick up on was atmosphere.
Does anyone know the definitive proposals about what will happen to away fans post the expansion?

If I could do one thing I'd make one end of the ground our fortress, ideally standing but even if not officially so then at least it is ours.

Our website seems to indicate the club is still consulting on the layout so how about we all lobby the club for this (assuming anyone else agrees!).
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby AG7 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:39 pm

EEE wrote:First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values. Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks. 1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games. 2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if; - Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws) - and Chelsea draws one game. If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible). I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it. Cheerio.


Love this ... and I agree totally ... EXPECT ... you seriously believe we will win 5 straight games? Did you not watch us last night? Before the game I was also optimistic that we'd win 6 straight ... but now not so sure ... anyway, give it till Sunday and if Liverpool has dropped points before we play on Monday, then such optimism will return ...
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby South Stand Balti » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:07 pm

bayblue wrote:The OP mentioned several things, all of which were spot on. The one I wanted to pick up on was atmosphere. Does anyone know the definitive proposals about what will happen to away fans post the expansion? If I could do one thing I'd make one end of the ground our fortress, ideally standing but even if not officially so then at least it is ours. Our website seems to indicate the club is still consulting on the layout so how about we all lobby the club for this (assuming anyone else agrees!).
Totally agree about one end being a fortress. I stand in the noisy part of the South stand with the away support to our right and then a further noisy section of city fans. Let's take away fans elsewhere and put our singing sections together. Our team were not great last night but our noise level as fans was even worse.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:48 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Empty seats, no backing for the team just moaning, a manager who just lets a key game drift when he can see we are in danger of fucking it up, players with no discipline in any area of the pitch (the free kicks we gave away out wide, first half, were a sign that the whole team had their heads up their arses.)

Liverpool are fighting & playing above themselves & the fans are right up for it. Chelsea have an inferior squad but are grafting through games.

We have everything going for us, top players throughout the squad, & we are consistently pissing away chance after chance, with stupid fucking brainless mistakes & the fans can barely raise a bit of a cheer half the time, when they can be arsed to turn up.

Tonight wasn't a team fighting for the title, either players fans or manager; it was a waste of fucking time. I hated being there.

Good discussion,no preaching at all.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Original Dub » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:55 am

Rag_hater wrote:Good discussion,no preaching at all.


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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby twosips » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:11 pm

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/20 ... Square-WBA?

It does look like they know the atmosphere is shite. Not convinced they know what to do about it though.. I can't help but roll my eyes though at things like the 'BMX half pipe display team'. Sigh. It's childish and gimmicky. I'd expect it at the fucking superbowl or half time at an NBA game or sumat. Fuck that crap.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Nigels Tackle » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:31 pm

they should sack off the whole match day experience thing... it sterilises the support
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby failsworthblue » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:34 pm

All going to plan.

Liverpool will win the league and Captain Fantastic to be Player of the Year.

Its what everybody wants.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby blues2win » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:58 pm

We may not deserve it but we can still do it! If we do we'll deserve it!
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby ross.mcfc » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:17 pm

blues2win wrote:We may not deserve it but we can still do it! If we do we'll deserve it!


The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.

Our home fans on the other hand don't.
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby nottsblue » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:57 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:
The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.

Our home fans on the other hand don't.


Nail on head mate
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby Chopper » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:15 pm

nottsblue wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:
The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.

Our home fans on the other hand don't.


Nail on head mate


Injuries, dodgy calls and a rub of the green do factor in though.

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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby nottsblue » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:22 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:
The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.

Our home fans on the other hand don't.


nottsblue wrote:
Nail on head mate


Chopper wrote:
Injuries, dodgy calls and a rub of the green do factor in though.

Just Sayin


We've had our share of the rub of the green to be fair. Been unlucky with injuries but thats what the squad is for. Over the 38 games the team at the top rarely, if ever, doesn't deserve it
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Re: We don't deserve the title

Postby guv111 » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:44 pm

failsworthblue wrote:Liverpool will win the league and Captain Fantastic to be Player of the Year.
I


Steven Gerrard is the best player in Europe now, apparently. If you are Brendan Rodgers.

Suddenly, ten years of fifty yard wellies over the head of a team mates and into touch never happened. It's amazing what one half decent season can do - if you are English and your mates in the media decide it is so.
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