EEE wrote:First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values.
Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks.
1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games.
2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if;
- Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws)
- and Chelsea draws one game.
If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible).
I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it.
Cheerio.
ross.mcfc wrote:It is a rare on any football message board for a post which bags the fans and the team to get a mostly measured and thought out response.
I could not agree with the OP more. We really do not deserve to win the title and even if we go on by some sort of miracle to win the title it will be one that we won by default.
The tempo of our game and the atmosphere in the ground last night was one which suited an end of season game that meant fuck all. I wonder if those two things are linked.
Our home crowd’s attitude towards games these days is getting embarrassing. We used to slag of Arsenal and Man United but I reckon we are worse than that these days. I have a few theories on why that is.
a) Fans are too spoilt
b) We won the league once and that is one more time than any of us thought we would win it. It almost doesnt matter anymore.
c) We are only really interested in creating an atmosphere when United come to town. Barca, Real, Bayern have all been to our ground in the past two years and you would have thought we were playing West Ham by the reaction of the crowd. Would we have created the cauldron of noise on Sunday that Liverpool fans did if we had been at home on Sunday. I doubt it.
Both B&C are symptoms of small club thinking. Our owners want to reach for the sky and dominate Europe. We want to beat United.
As for the team, there are far too many passengers. For the money that was been spent on transfers and wages we are far too reliant on certain players. If Kompany, Zabaleta or Toure are missing we look useless. Those responsible for the buying of players at the club have failed to address our major weakness for the past two seasons. I like Navas and Jovetic but have they really added anything to our season? Those were not areas of the pitch that we needed extra depth. A decent center half and a guy to give Toure something to worry about / give him a rest from time to time has been missing for two seasons now.
We now need a right back that can cover for Zabba and a keeper who does not just hoof the ball back into the area where we are getting bossed about.
I've enjoyed this season as a whole, finishing a tight 3rd is a better showing than second last season without even looking like winning the title. A cup was nice but it won't look so great if Liverpool win the league and Chelsea win the CL. Infact even if they finish 3rd and make the final and lose I would still say that is a better effort than our 2nd and league cup.
EEE wrote:First of all, I'll agree with most of what's said in this thread. Especially Ted and ross.mcfc. There really aren't any excuses for the disaster of performance of yesterday (mainly players but also fans). I was ashamed of what I saw and felt betrayed in a way. However, even with that said, it's wrong to write off our team as complete non fighters. Even though we haven`t shown it as often as we should - there have still been cases when we have been showing fight, grit and team spirit. Times when I`ve been proud of my team for those exact values. Second, this doesn't really belong in this thread (optimism) but I can't help myself. NEVER GIVE UP! A lot of IF's one might argue bit it isn't as far fetched as some thinks. 1. We need to win the rest of our games. After yesterdays display that doesn't look likely. But contrary to what most would think, I believe that we will get together, show the fight that we should have shown yesterday (once again, no excuses), and win all the remaining five games. 2. If we we win our remaining five games; the title is ours if; - Liverpool drops at least 3 points (a loss; our GD needs to be better than theirs, or two draws) - and Chelsea draws one game. If the Liverpool - Chelsea game ends with a draw (far from impossible), all we need is Liverpool to draw away against either Norwich or Crystal Palace (far from impossible). I might be naive but I believe that Liverpool will draw w Norwich this week and then draw w Chelsea in two weeks. We win our five games and the league, if so, we deserve it. Cheerio.
Totally agree about one end being a fortress. I stand in the noisy part of the South stand with the away support to our right and then a further noisy section of city fans. Let's take away fans elsewhere and put our singing sections together. Our team were not great last night but our noise level as fans was even worse.bayblue wrote:The OP mentioned several things, all of which were spot on. The one I wanted to pick up on was atmosphere. Does anyone know the definitive proposals about what will happen to away fans post the expansion? If I could do one thing I'd make one end of the ground our fortress, ideally standing but even if not officially so then at least it is ours. Our website seems to indicate the club is still consulting on the layout so how about we all lobby the club for this (assuming anyone else agrees!).
Ted Hughes wrote:Empty seats, no backing for the team just moaning, a manager who just lets a key game drift when he can see we are in danger of fucking it up, players with no discipline in any area of the pitch (the free kicks we gave away out wide, first half, were a sign that the whole team had their heads up their arses.)
Liverpool are fighting & playing above themselves & the fans are right up for it. Chelsea have an inferior squad but are grafting through games.
We have everything going for us, top players throughout the squad, & we are consistently pissing away chance after chance, with stupid fucking brainless mistakes & the fans can barely raise a bit of a cheer half the time, when they can be arsed to turn up.
Tonight wasn't a team fighting for the title, either players fans or manager; it was a waste of fucking time. I hated being there.
Rag_hater wrote:Good discussion,no preaching at all.
blues2win wrote:We may not deserve it but we can still do it! If we do we'll deserve it!
ross.mcfc wrote:
The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.
Our home fans on the other hand don't.
nottsblue wrote:ross.mcfc wrote:
The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.
Our home fans on the other hand don't.
Nail on head mate
ross.mcfc wrote:
The league table never lies, if we are at the the top at the end then we are the team that deserves to win it.
Our home fans on the other hand don't.
nottsblue wrote:
Nail on head mate
Chopper wrote:
Injuries, dodgy calls and a rub of the green do factor in though.
Just Sayin
failsworthblue wrote:Liverpool will win the league and Captain Fantastic to be Player of the Year.
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