clippo22 wrote:Relieved to read that Everton will be without Kevin Mirralles for the ret if the season, their midfield will look weaker without him or Barry in it.
Regarding out tactics, recently with Garcia in midfield a lot if the time he is so deep he in between kompany and MD. Meaning it literally is just Ferna in midfield when the wingers have pushed right up. Our biggest problem recently has been our lack or urgency or tempo. Gary Neville talked about it last night regarding the scum and I think recently a lot of it applies to us. Haven't created enough, build up play is far too slow and we have lots of possession without doing much with it. We need urgency and tempo, not urgency in the last 5 which then turns to panic and poor decision making.
Nasri slows the play down too much, agree that jovetic needs more game time. He was constantly looking for the ball yesterday and he was putting in too much effort when those around him weren't really interested in making runs and creating more opportunities.
clippo22 wrote:Relieved to read that Everton will be without Kevin Mirralles for the ret if the season, their midfield will look weaker without him or Barry in it.
Regarding out tactics, recently with Garcia in midfield a lot if the time he is so deep he in between kompany and MD. Meaning it literally is just Ferna in midfield when the wingers have pushed right up. Our biggest problem recently has been our lack or urgency or tempo. Gary Neville talked about it last night regarding the scum and I think recently a lot of it applies to us. Haven't created enough, build up play is far too slow and we have lots of possession without doing much with it. We need urgency and tempo, not urgency in the last 5 which then turns to panic and poor decision making.
Nasri slows the play down too much, agree that jovetic needs more game time. He was constantly looking for the ball yesterday and he was putting in too much effort when those around him weren't really interested in making runs and creating more opportunities.
Beefymcfc wrote:Are we now saying that Pellers isn't the tactical genius we thought he was?
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:The biggest disaster was that free kick last night. What was it? From that distance, we should have a queue of players eager to put their foot through the ball. Maybe it was too far out for Silva to have a go but I reckon Aguero has both the power and technique required. Or let Fernandinho have a blast, he can hit a bill. If not then cross it in. The whole idea about these 'routines' is that they are meant to produce an element of surprise but when you do them too often they lose their effectiveness. Instead it confused us more than them and left us exposed. Trying to be too clever at times.
bayblue wrote:And there's the difference in tacticians. Could you ever imagine Pellers sending a team out set up like Chelsea tonight?
Goaters 103 wrote:bayblue wrote:And there's the difference in tacticians. Could you ever imagine Pellers sending a team out set up like Chelsea tonight?
How did Chelsea go on tonight?
Im sure a Pellers team wouldve entertained the crowds tonight away at Athletico. Theyd also likely have lost 3-1 as well.
Ted Hughes wrote:That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Ratboy & Scouse on Sky, showed replays of Chelsea defending with a line attached to the back 4, & a line attached to the 3 in front of them, then two wide players picking up scraps.
How they were often moving as units, & there were rarely any significant gaps between them, so the oppo can't thread the kind of pass between cb & fb like I described in my o.p. Also you don't get goals like Sterling scored v City if you have 3 blocking the pass off in the first place like that.
This is not football genius; Peter Reid was doing shit like that in the 90s; it's bog standard, football management. And that's the sad thing about it. Not just now, but in the previous years. Give some average manager like Peter Reid our players, & he will go to Lazio, Ajax, Liverpool, maybe even Barcelona, & come back with a result. We have a supposed football genius in charge each season & they create a complete fucking shambles by being too clever & trying to show off their genius rather than just getting the fucking job done on the day.
Hazy2 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Ratboy & Scouse on Sky, showed replays of Chelsea defending with a line attached to the back 4, & a line attached to the 3 in front of them, then two wide players picking up scraps.
How they were often moving as units, & there were rarely any significant gaps between them, so the oppo can't thread the kind of pass between cb & fb like I described in my o.p. Also you don't get goals like Sterling scored v City if you have 3 blocking the pass off in the first place like that.
This is not football genius; Peter Reid was doing shit like that in the 90s; it's bog standard, football management. And that's the sad thing about it. Not just now, but in the previous years. Give some average manager like Peter Reid our players, & he will go to Lazio, Ajax, Liverpool, maybe even Barcelona, & come back with a result. We have a supposed football genius in charge each season & they create a complete fucking shambles by being too clever & trying to show off their genius rather than just getting the fucking job done on the day.
We have tossed of the season, and again last night you can see how he manages to keep a bang average team in with a shout, add Drogba of five yrs ago he would have pissed the league, and smashed the scousers this sunday we on the other hand are looking like a bunch of fancy dans, Sunday is massive for me, rollover and for me nothing will ever change unless some fucker gets ruthless and changes the attitude. The goal the other other night sums it up we think we are clever cunts! that should have been the trigger for a rant from anyone, nothing. again not what will bring the thing in lime with what it takes to churn out wins without fuck ups. Water bottles the lot should have been booted in the air and for Vinny summoned to the touch line, even if it was for nothing more than show.
Ted Hughes wrote:Hazy2 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Ratboy & Scouse on Sky, showed replays of Chelsea defending with a line attached to the back 4, & a line attached to the 3 in front of them, then two wide players picking up scraps.
How they were often moving as units, & there were rarely any significant gaps between them, so the oppo can't thread the kind of pass between cb & fb like I described in my o.p. Also you don't get goals like Sterling scored v City if you have 3 blocking the pass off in the first place like that.
This is not football genius; Peter Reid was doing shit like that in the 90s; it's bog standard, football management. And that's the sad thing about it. Not just now, but in the previous years. Give some average manager like Peter Reid our players, & he will go to Lazio, Ajax, Liverpool, maybe even Barcelona, & come back with a result. We have a supposed football genius in charge each season & they create a complete fucking shambles by being too clever & trying to show off their genius rather than just getting the fucking job done on the day.
We have tossed of the season, and again last night you can see how he manages to keep a bang average team in with a shout, add Drogba of five yrs ago he would have pissed the league, and smashed the scousers this sunday we on the other hand are looking like a bunch of fancy dans, Sunday is massive for me, rollover and for me nothing will ever change unless some fucker gets ruthless and changes the attitude. The goal the other other night sums it up we think we are clever cunts! that should have been the trigger for a rant from anyone, nothing. again not what will bring the thing in lime with what it takes to churn out wins without fuck ups. Water bottles the lot should have been booted in the air and for Vinny summoned to the touch line, even if it was for nothing more than show.
Agree, but nothing 'special' at all in what Mourinho has done imo. He has underachieved just like Pellegrini. And if we had Drogba, (or Suarez) we would have pissed the league too.
Rogers is the only manager who deserves any special praise. The others have blown hot & cold.
Hazy2 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Hazy2 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Ratboy & Scouse on Sky, showed replays of Chelsea defending with a line attached to the back 4, & a line attached to the 3 in front of them, then two wide players picking up scraps.
How they were often moving as units, & there were rarely any significant gaps between them, so the oppo can't thread the kind of pass between cb & fb like I described in my o.p. Also you don't get goals like Sterling scored v City if you have 3 blocking the pass off in the first place like that.
This is not football genius; Peter Reid was doing shit like that in the 90s; it's bog standard, football management. And that's the sad thing about it. Not just now, but in the previous years. Give some average manager like Peter Reid our players, & he will go to Lazio, Ajax, Liverpool, maybe even Barcelona, & come back with a result. We have a supposed football genius in charge each season & they create a complete fucking shambles by being too clever & trying to show off their genius rather than just getting the fucking job done on the day.
We have tossed of the season, and again last night you can see how he manages to keep a bang average team in with a shout, add Drogba of five yrs ago he would have pissed the league, and smashed the scousers this sunday we on the other hand are looking like a bunch of fancy dans, Sunday is massive for me, rollover and for me nothing will ever change unless some fucker gets ruthless and changes the attitude. The goal the other other night sums it up we think we are clever cunts! that should have been the trigger for a rant from anyone, nothing. again not what will bring the thing in lime with what it takes to churn out wins without fuck ups. Water bottles the lot should have been booted in the air and for Vinny summoned to the touch line, even if it was for nothing more than show.
Agree, but nothing 'special' at all in what Mourinho has done imo. He has underachieved just like Pellegrini. And if we had Drogba, (or Suarez) we would have pissed the league too.
Rogers is the only manager who deserves any special praise. The others have blown hot & cold.
If he wins the Champs League, it will say WINNERS not plays like a drain Ted.. If Arsenal win the cup and Q for the same who has had the better season, Dipppers, Chelsea, Us ?A committed team would have been in each others face over that goal, Red nose would have gone bererk, who is right Pellers for keeping cool or a manager leaping onto that as the straw that broke the back of nice. He might have done it in the dressing room NO CHANCE.
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